To seg or not to seg, that is the question.

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I was reading a few posts on a different forum in which it was explained that it isn't necessary to segment modern, digital, detectors. With analog detectors, like the Redline O, segmenting the KA bands was very beneficial with extending its range but with detectors like the RL 360c, having all KA segments active is best. Is this accurate?
 

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It did seem to be accurate until the R360c came out. R360c users have found during testing that there is a measurable performance benefit to segmenting it. This isn't the case with the R7 or the G2.
 

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My .02 cents worth is this. The RL360c would spend more time turning those segmented bands off and on and delay a true response than it would if it was just left alone to scan and respond to a give shot of radar. I leave mine wide open for that reason and theory as an armature RD user :O)
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It did seem to be accurate until the R360c came out. R360c users have found during testing that there is a measurable performance benefit to segmenting it. This isn't the case with the R7 or the G2.
Was this test proven in a series of test runs by Vortex, or where do you get this information from? Thanks.
 
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Was this test proven in a series of test runs by Vortex, or where do you get this information from? Thanks.
The actual testing data is in an elevated area of the forum It's OK for me to tell you that there is a measurable performance benefit but I can't get into further details. @Vortex and @Brainstorm69 or any intermediate + member can corroborate.
 

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Segmenting has two **potential** benefits, depending upon the hardware and software platform.

First, by segmenting, a detector will either:
a) still "scan" the segmented frequencies but "ignore" any alert; or
b) "skip" the segmented frequencies altogether.

"Ignoring" may reduce certain alerts.

"Skipping" may potentially increase scan rates. So you need to know how any particular detector skips or ignores. "Skipping" is a risk if you get it wrong.

Second, if the scan rate is high enough, "skipping" is of no benefit. But "ignoring" might, provided its not ignoring a real threat. Herein poses the risk.

If the RL360c actually "skips" rather than "ignores" blocked frequencies, then you might see an increased scan rate. But with the V1G2's super quick scan rate, there will be no practical benefit to the scan rate by "skipping".

Personally, I like the V1G2 scan rate, which is off the charts and reportedly able to scan all of the bands in about 0.01 second!!!

But either way, "ignoring" alerts from some frequencies, can reduce false alerts, but at the risk of "ignoring" a real threat if you are not both: (i) very careful; and totally and (ii) continuously up to date.
 

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The actual testing data is in an elevated area of the forum It's OK for me to tell you that there is a measurable performance benefit but I can't get into further details. @Vortex and @Brainstorm69 or any intermediate + member can corroborate.
Maybe you can help me- I filled in a questionnaire about 3-4 weeks ago to be considered into an intermediate member, but nothing has changed. I've received no reply and no change. Can you look into this for me and perhaps change my membership to the next level?
 

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Neither the new V1G2 or the RL360c should be Segmented as it will actually slow down scanning. These new RDs are so fast scanning now that Segmenting interferes with quickly doing a full band scan where older RD had a faster scan of what one ONLY wanted to look at by programing in sections of the band to skip IE making the total number of frequencies to scan shorter. These new RDs can scan the whole band so quickly that stopping and restarting the scan actually takes more time.

With an RL360c and the V1G2 the only small advantage to Segmenting is blocking out a section in ones driving area that has a constant Ka false in sections 1,3,5, or 7. Personally, I will take the nuance False every time over slowing down my new high priced maximum improvement RD knowing I am getting the best overall protection from my investment. And yes, a radar detector is an investment.

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Neither the new V1G2 or the RL360c should be Segmented as it will actually slow down scanning. These new RDs are so fast scanning now that Segmenting interferes with quickly doing a full band scan where older RD had a faster scan of what one ONLY wanted to look at by programing in sections of the band to skip IE making the total number of frequencies to scan shorter. These new RDs can scan the whole band so quickly that stopping and restarting the scan actually takes more time.

With an RL360c and the V1G2 the only small advantage to Segmenting is blocking out a section in ones driving area that has a constant Ka false in sections 1,3,5, or 7. Personally, I will take the nuance False every time over slowing down my new high priced maximum improvement RD knowing I am getting the best overall protection from my investment. And yes, a radar detector is an investment.

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Please read the testing section (and posts above yours) before making assertions.
 

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I forgot to mention, one person who believed that segmenting did help with range, said the benefit was only about 50 feet.
 

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I forgot to mention, one person who believed that segmenting did help with range, said the benefit was only about 50 feet.
It helps with the speed at which it alerts to the signal. Actual range is variable. It could give you 50 ft, it could give you 100ft, it could be the difference between catching that longer distance I/O shot and not.
 

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Maybe you can help me- I filled in a questionnaire about 3-4 weeks ago to be considered into an intermediate member, but nothing has changed. I've received no reply and no change. Can you look into this for me and perhaps change my membership to the next level?
Please use the "contact us" button above and put in a ticket asking about your questionnaire. :)
 

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The actual testing data is in an elevated area of the forum It's OK for me to tell you that there is a measurable performance benefit but I can't get into further details. @Vortex and @Brainstorm69 or any intermediate + member can corroborate.
I don't understand why that information would be kept from some forum members?
 

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I don't understand why that information would be kept from some forum members?
The performance benefit is NOT being kept from anyone, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. ;)
Certain data and test methods however, are not for general consumption.
 

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Neither the new V1G2 or the RL360c should be Segmented as it will actually slow down scanning. These new RDs are so fast scanning now that Segmenting interferes with quickly doing a full band scan where older RD had a faster scan of what one ONLY wanted to look at by programing in sections of the band to skip IE making the total number of frequencies to scan shorter. These new RDs can scan the whole band so quickly that stopping and restarting the scan actually takes more time.

With an RL360c and the V1G2 the only small advantage to Segmenting is blocking out a section in ones driving area that has a constant Ka false in sections 1,3,5, or 7. Personally, I will take the nuance False every time over slowing down my new high priced maximum improvement RD knowing I am getting the best overall protection from my investment. And yes, a radar detector is an investment.

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The RL360C is one of the slowest reacting detectors I've tested. Segmenting seems to help, but in practice it's still not ideal. You are right about the V1G2, it's fast already and the custom frequencies do nothing to speed it up any more.
 

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I'd like to add that a normal seg'ed vs non seg'ed sensitivity test is perfectly fine to dissemiinate. I'm not sure if anyone has done that though. If they have, it should be in the normal testing section or in the Escort section.
 

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These new RDs can scan the whole band so quickly that stopping and restarting the scan actually takes more time.
As @OBeerWANKenobi and @MASI discussed, that's not necessarily true of some new detectors. The Gen2 scans the same speed regardless of what the Custom Frequencies are set to. The older Gen1 method of stopping and starting the oscillator is no longer how it's done.
 

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The performance benefit is NOT being kept from anyone, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. ;)
Certain data and test methods however, are not for general consumption.
That's what I meant but I'm still confused as to why something like that is "not for general consumption". That said, I don't want to pursue that tangent, it is what it is. I'd rather the thread stay on topic, I'm more interested in answers to the original question. I do appreciate your advice.
 

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As I live in the Atlanta area (Dragon eye as well) safely segmenting the RL360c would only omit a couple of frequencies, if I'm correct. Would it really make that big of a difference to segment it?
 

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What frequencies?

I'm a visual person. I have a quick diagram here that shows the typical segmenting I have used with my Gen1 V1.
 
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I've been on the hunt, but can't find the post/test/graphs where across several different RD; scan rates of segmentation was expressed in millisecs of per task... and not as feet.
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Is this study behind the "fence" now? or did I see it somewhere else?
 

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