Thinking of running a V1G2 12 thousand miles comparison vrs R7.

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Head to head, Ka/Laser only for 12 thousand miles. Units in my Semi spaced out about 4 feet. 12K should take about a month. I plan to document and score each encounter by terrain type, radar frequency, and seconds + or minus between units. Thinking this would show strength's and weaknesses between R7 and V1G2.

Since interference is a possibility, and this is real world and not closed course, would you think our members would still be interested in the results? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
 

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Sounds great to me. The settings you choose for each detector will be crucial in my opinion. Will your V1 Gen1 use JBV1?
 

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I think it would be interesting, but that what if will always exist. What if there was interference that caused the other detector to drop the ball. Don't think 4 ft is enough space.
 

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I think it would be interesting, but that what if will always exist. What if there was interference that caused the other detector to drop the ball. Don't think 4 ft is enough space.
I think I am going to experience interference on some of the encounters, but the thing is, they're not going to be interfering with each other on every encounter, so with that many encounters documented we should see a clear pattern. Besides this is just for fun and the results are going to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Sounds great to me. The settings you choose for each detector will be crucial in my opinion. Will your V1 Gen1 use JBV1?
V1G2 and yes running JBV1.
Custom Sweeps and 2,4,5,6,8 or just 2,5,8 we can discuss prior to beginning the comparison also.
 
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Waste of time for two reasons:

1) two duel feed horn windshield detectors within 8 feet of each other equals inaccurate information

2) hopefully Theia will have a release date within a month

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Head to head, Ka/Laser only for 12 thousand miles. Units in my Semi spaced out about 4 feet. 12K should take about a month. I plan to document and score each encounter by terrain type, radar frequency, and seconds + or minus between units. Thinking this would show strength's and weaknesses between R7 and V1G2.

Since interference is a possibility, and this is real world and not closed course, would you think our members would still be interested in the results? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
That would be a killer real world day to day test that I would love to see! I've run my V1G2 against my R1 for hundreds of miles together on each side of my mirror with no issues at all in fact they both alert the exact same together or apart during @VariableWave 's and my testing so I'd expect the R7 to be fine as well. There's always a chance of interference and if it happens you'll capture it during your test so it's a win win! @VariableWave runs his R7 and V1G2 together all the time with zero issues, other than his R7 getting a constant @ss whipping! We just tested his R7 and my V1G2 together and apart about a month ago on a killer off axis course and got the same results every time.
 
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Waste of time for two reasons:

1) two duel feed horn windshield detectors within 8 feet of each other equals inaccurate information

2) hopefully Theia will have a release date within a month

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Not necessarily. My results comparing the two up until now are very similar to what the Texas group and Vortex test course running each unit separately are showing.

I'm thinking at the very least, this test would document the strengths of overhill performance between the two and any difference between the two on Q/T or selective I/O.

I'm thinking if I discover some strengths and weaknesses between the units, then the Texas testing group and Vortex can test more running the units separately to verify strengths and weaknesses between the two.

Example, if I'm seeing a clear difference between the two in over the hill encounters and forward facing encounters then that will tell us what type of testing we need to do in the future to expose further the weaknesses between the two and strengths. Just a little bit of what I was thinking.
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I've got them set up with
V1G2 sweeping
Laser
33.700 to 33.900
34.400 to 35.000
35.400 to 35.600

R7 will be sweeping
Laser & 2,5,8. Any suggestions welcome.
 
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Only 12K miles in a month!? Driver, you have to keep the door shut on that cab! I hope you're cutting the power before you enter the chicken coup with that R7. We don't want those guys doing any more than counting your chickens.

One concern with a dual horn detector in a big truck is that any emissions from the rear horn are going to bounce around inside your cab and it seems like that would create a higher probability of interference. Both those units are pretty well shielded though, especially the G2.

This sounds like a fun test in spite of the flaw regarding separation. I have not observed any separation problems with my NRDSP and G2 running together but they have lots of grounded metal and more than 4' separating them.
 

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Do it...interference or not, there will be things you will learn. Looking forward to your experience!
 

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If you REALLY want to see some interference, throw a couple of Whistlers up there! Try a pair of Pro 78se's! They will probably set your damn truck on fire even with 10 feet of seperation! LMAO! I tried them as a ghetto arrow setup back in the day and it was like a fireworks show! LMAO!
 

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If you REALLY want to see some interference, throw a couple of Whistlers up there! Try a pair of Pro 78se's! They will probably set your damn truck on fire even with 10 feet of seperation! LMAO! I tried them as a ghetto arrow setup back in the day and it was like a fireworks show! LMAO!
I haven't really seen any interference with the R7 or R3 and V1G2. Running the STI Magnum vs Escort IXC totally different story lol. As you mentioned, some play well and others not so well at all.
 

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I like the idea of this and would make for a good test since the R7 and V1 are so equal in terms of performance. What I would do is run one for a week or so than run the other the following week followed by running them together. Should give you enough time to get an idea of how each one does. Either way, lucky you to have two top end RD's to play with and plenty of time to see how they do.
 

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V1G2 sweeping
33.700 to 33.900
34.400 to 35.000
35.400 to 35.600


R7 will be sweeping
Laser & 2,5,8. Any suggestions welcome.

Then you have already handicapped the V1G2! There is no need (other than a small advantage to reduce some false Ka Alerts) by using a G2 with custom sweeps. It is my understanding that applied Segmenting actually slows a G2 down and does not add any range or sensitivity as the old V1G1 where Segmenting actually reduced total sweep time.

Again, you might think you are not seeing any adverse affects from running two dual horn RDs on the same windshield but that is exactly the point because interference is happening and you have admitted you haven't seen anything. More importantly with everything that goes on during an encounter it is hard enough to follow one RD much less two.

Lastly with a real Police Radar Detector coming out in the months to come, intense testing of two soon to be Legacy RDs at about the same price range is anything other than time well spend especially without a proper test equipment setup. It would be one thing if the V1G2 was $700 and the R7 was $100 with the driver never being able to afford a Theia IE being able to buy a real Radar Detector, than if they tested very close, might as well get the supposed $100 R7. But this isn't the case is it. Plus as you said, the two were already tested properly by the Texas Testing Group with I believe additional testing proposed when the Covid-19 is gone.

Currently the two have tested very close to each other and because of JBV1, the V1G2 is the choice hands down. Don't want to run JBV1 for the best protection, then pick between the two based on the slight differences that fit where one drives based off the Texas test results.

Your mileage my vary, it's your time (and your CDL), and I can't see any use in testing and than publishing data that will be known to be compromised due immediately to the test setup. The simple fact that both detectors are not being tested from the exact same mounting point means the test results are biased and not valid.

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Then you have already handicapped the V1G2! There is no need (other than a small advantage to reduce some false Ka Alerts) by using a G2 with custom sweeps. It is my understanding that applied Segmenting actually slows a G2 down and does not add any range or sensitivity as the old V1G1 where Segmenting actually reduced total sweep time.

Again, you might think you are not seeing any adverse affects from running two dual horn RDs on the same windshield but that is exactly the point because interference is happening and you have admitted you haven't seen anything. More importantly with everything that goes on during an encounter it is hard enough to follow one RD much less two.

Lastly with a real Police Radar Detector coming out in the months to come, intense testing of two soon to be Legacy RDs at about the same price range is anything other than time well spend especially without a proper test equipment setup. It would be one thing if the V1G2 was $700 and the R7 was $100 with the driver never being able to afford a Theia IE being able to buy a real Radar Detector, than if they tested very close, might as well get the supposed $100 R7. But this isn't the case is it. Plus as you said, the two were already tested properly by the Texas Testing Group with I believe additional testing proposed when the Covid-19 is gone.

Currently the two have tested very close to each other and because of JBV1, the V1G2 is the choice hands down. Don't want to run JBV1 for the best protection, then pick between the two based on the slight differences that fit where one drives based off the Texas test results.

Your mileage my vary, it's your time (and your CDL), and I can't see any use in testing and than publishing data that will be known to be compromised due immediately to the test setup. The simple fact that both detectors are not being tested from the exact same mounting point means the test results are biased and not valid.

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TWO THINGS onthis ....

YOUR CDL ..... friend.

AND ...

I disagree w my buddy transporter yhat this test is useless.

By the very nature is multiple encounters, in miltiple scenarios, as was stated b4, we will see certain patterns emerge 👍👍😎😎

They may be skewed AND DEFINITELY NOT SCIENTIFIC, but things WILL be learned.

I yhought wewas s group of experimenters, and testers. We are NOT the atypical testers.

I SAY TEST AWAY !!!

:slick: :

Benzr
 

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Then you have already handicapped the V1G2! There is no need (other than a small advantage to reduce some false Ka Alerts) by using a G2 with custom sweeps. It is my understanding that applied Segmenting actually slows a G2 down and does not add any range or sensitivity as the old V1G1 where Segmenting actually reduced total sweep time.
Thanks for the info, then I'll just run the stock setup.
 

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@Freebird - Suggest you run the R7 2/4/5/6/8 to even things up a bit. Why no K-band?
 

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@Freebird - Suggest you run the R7 2/4/5/6/8 to even things up a bit. Why no K-band?
Well about 80% of my driving's interstate so I rarely encounter much k-band. I didn't think there'd be much interest but I'll add it in there also if you guys want. It would certainly tell us how much difference in BSM filtering there is
 

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TWO THINGS onthis ....

YOUR CDL ..... friend.

AND ...

I disagree w my buddy transporter yhat this test is useless.

By the very nature is multiple encounters, in miltiple scenarios, as was stated b4, we will see certain patterns emerge 👍👍😎😎

They may be skewed AND DEFINITELY NOT SCIENTIFIC, but things WILL be learned.

I yhought wewas s group of experimenters, and testers. We are NOT the atypical testers.

I SAY TEST AWAY !!!

:slick: :

Benzr

Well my friend, please name just one single thing that will be learned or even remotely useful considering all supposed "tests" are not even remotely scientific or with a means to validate them as anything other then a random encounter in anything other then biased unrepeatable conditions? More over if we happen to think we actually learned something, how do we prove that? Oh yeah, we can't because the encounter is IMPOSSIBLE to repeat so in all actuality it really wasn't a test, it was just a random encounter that zero useable data can be obtained from other than an unprovable OPINION. Are opinions useable, in context sometimes, are they testing, they are not.

One has no idea of the actual Radar Unit Used, nearly impossible to determine Cosine Error, multiple unknown distances due to random encounters and not a known fixed test course, unknown interference level plus unknown specific interference to which unit at time of encounter, and on and on and on and on. Which is EXACTLY why we don't test even single horn RD side by side, much less dual horn RDs. Exactly why random driving isn't used by Car Enthusiast magazines or any of the RDF Test Groups.

And even if every little detail is recorded on one camera that sees everything synced to two cameras one for both RDs, again the Data recorded isn't useable as "test" data because of infinite unknowns plus both RDs are not operating in the environment they were designed to operate in IE a single RD center mounted on a windshield.

Yes others my have a different opinion but these are the facts and "wanting" to get useful test data from something that is anything but testing leads only to opinions not based on repeatable scientific testing.

Is a single RD 1200 mile "driving impression" a useful opinion, it could be, but it isn't testing. Running two dual horn RDs on the same windshield also does not qualify as a comparison either as neither were designed to operate in that environment.

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Well my friend, please name just one single thing that will be learned or even remotely useful considering all supposed "tests" are not even remotely scientific or with a means to validate them as anything other then a random encounter in anything other then biased unrepeatable conditions? More over if we happen to think we actually learned something, how do we prove that? Oh yeah, we can't because the encounter is IMPOSSIBLE to repeat so in all actuality it really wasn't a test, it was just a random encounter that zero useable data can be obtained from other than an unprovable OPINION. Are opinions useable, in context sometimes, are they testing, they are not.

One has no idea of the actual Radar Unit Used, nearly impossible to determine Cosine Error, multiple unknown distances due to random encounters and not a known fixed test course, unknown interference level plus unknown specific interference to which unit at time of encounter, and on and on and on and on. Which is EXACTLY why we don't test even single horn RD side by side, much less dual horn RDs. Exactly why random driving isn't used by Car Enthusiast magazines or any of the RDF Test Groups.

And even if every little detail is recorded on one camera that sees everything synced to two cameras one for both RDs, again the Data recorded isn't useable as "test" data because of infinite unknowns plus both RDs are not operating in the environment they were designed to operate in IE a single RD center mounted on a windshield.

Yes others my have a different opinion but these are the facts and "wanting" to get useful test data from something that is anything but testing leads only to opinions not based on repeatable scientific testing.

Is a single RD 1200 mile "driving impression" a useful opinion, it could be, but it isn't testing. Running two dual horn RDs on the same windshield also does not qualify as a comparison either as neither were designed to operate in that environment.

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Ok Debbie Downer. .... 😛😛

There is the FUN FACTOR ... the FINALLY PROVING 2 DUAL HORNs are NOT compatiable
With each other. ESPECIALLY onthe same windshield. It will interesting to note if either one
Determines a signal better --- EVEN when skewed and if they might actually function normally.

Weirder things have happened.

Just sayin.

I still say test away BUT BE WARY THEY BOTH MIGHT CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT !!!

The key take away here is they are not 2 SINGLE HORN detectors .... so I agree wiih transporter
That FOUR HORNS TRANSMITTING/RECEIVING
IN ALL DIRECTIONS and bouncing off the metal cab walls can CREATE A LOT OFCONFUSION for the detectors to process. So theres that too.

Benzr
 

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I’m interested in this.
I and a few others run dual detectors even though we’re not supposed to.
I have both the V1G2 and the R7 running. And when tested independently around my area ( with 34.7) there was no difference between alerts when ran independently or with another device near it. Results were consistent either way, which is fantastic (yes one test , real vs semi real matrix world blablabla)
Can’t wait to see results
 

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