Question around first batch of Theia

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I agree with your sentiment but will clarify just because I know people will be nitpicky - you were referring to widely known public reviewers. There are plenty of good reviewers here on the forum, but not any that have the combination of public reach and quality that Ariel does. For example, I trust stuff from the TXCTG group just as much as Ariel, but they don't have the social media channels that he does.
Yeah, when I meant “reviewers” I meant people who do videos of all products, more so what influences people outside RDF. Testing is completely different IMHO.
 

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You and I see eye-to-eye on that other brand and it's fans, but that's their loss, not mine.

I'll likely be an early adopter of Theia, because:

1. I've been squirreling away money for it since it's announcement.

2. I believe they are launching it right.

If they do what they say, and allow reviewers to comment on it before sales open, that's more than any detector company has ever done. That shows me they have supreme confidence in the retoric they are spouting. The only thing that would cause me hesitation is those early reviews saying things like, "I see the potential in Theia, but right now..."

That would cause me to pause, because we've been down that road before with Stinger, and the MAX Ci remote install unit.

All that being said, if Radenso doesn't have a presence in online stores like Amazon, box retail stores like Best Buy, and a big advertising budget to get the word out, it'll take them time to really start to get noticed by mainstream buyers, and I feel like they are still going to have a bit of a job convincing Joe Shmoe to lay down that kind of scratch for a detector.

More than likely, Theia will make a big splash with reviewers and enthusiasts and gain them some name recognition. And their more affordable follow up options will start to wrestle away market share from the other companies.
There you go. I agree with everything you just wrote.. :)
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Like all thumb thugs, you can dish out insults but cannot handle the truth. /ignore
You can ignore all you want but you’re the one that insulted me. If I struck a nerve with you it was unintentional and not a personalI attack against you unlike your comments toward me. Hopefully you can see the difference. I’m also not a person that reports everyone to the mods that upsets me. In the end you have called me an arrogant elitist thug. Do you think you broke a few forum rules there? Why don’t you go ahead and point out where I insulted you or called you names.
 
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If you can’t figure out a way to budget a $1200 detector then you shouldn’t speed. Ever. I suggest you check yourself next time before directing insults towards other forum members.
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Perhaps, but most of that will have to do with fanboyism and unawareness not budgets.
I too was accused of arrogance for pointing out that if you don't have a grand of discretionary income then you can't afford to be significantly speeding. I referenced other forum member's stories where they spent approximately this amount over one citation. Interestingly, there was never any suggestion that this evidence didn't back up my contention.

I'll wholeheartedly disagree with you on the market for lesser detectors. Case in point: What about those who don't have to deal with K band? The R7 and V1G2 deliver outstanding Ka performance at a cost that might work better for many.

As for fanboyism, I'll never forget how awesome my OG passport and Dad's Escort were so maybe I'm a fanboy. Just not enough to pay $800+ for an R360c with Theia on approach.
 

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I too was accused of arrogance for pointing out that if you don't have a grand of discretionary income then you can't afford to be significantly speeding. I referenced other forum member's stories where they spent approximately this amount over one citation. Interestingly, there was never any suggestion that this evidence didn't back up my contention.

I'll wholeheartedly disagree with you on the market for lesser detectors. Case in point: What about those who don't have to deal with K band? The R7 and V1G2 deliver outstanding Ka performance at a cost that might work better for many.

As for fanboyism, I'll never forget how awesome my OG passport and Dad's Escort were so maybe I'm a fanboy. Just not enough to pay $800+ for an R360c with Theia on approach.
Yes but were you called a thug too? Lol :)
 

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Yes but were you called a thug too? Lol :)
Right. I didn't understand that either. Seems like we all have the same basic goal: freedom of velocity. RDF is a great bunch of people who have differing opinions yet share more in common than not.
 

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If you can’t figure out a way to budget a $1200 detector then you shouldn’t speed. Ever. I suggest you check yourself next time before directing insults towards other forum members.
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Perhaps, but most of that will have to do with fanboyism and unawareness not budgets.
WTF are you on?

I don't need a $1200 detector to speed... I've been speeding for years... For quite some time with a budget $100 detector... When I first started... You don't need a $1200 detector... Ever... Lawl...

I think you need to refrain from the word NEED...

WANT is a whole other subject.
 

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WTF are you on?

I don't need a $1200 detector to speed... I've been speeding for years... For quite some time with a budget $100 detector... When I first started... You don't need a $1200 detector... Ever... Lawl...

I think you need to refrain from the word NEED...

WANT is a whole other subject.
I’m not on anything. I figure most people are pretty stupid before they do drugs or alcohol but that’s a different subject.

Most people on this forum are enthusiasts and collect detectors, LiDAR guns and radar guns. That way they can be helpful and contribute. I don’t really know of any $100 detector can contribute much to this forum (other than to point out there are much better options) but that’s just my opinion.

I’m starting to think you haven’t even read what Theia is going to do to comment like you have. This is not some new R series, Escort or Valentine!! lol. This detector is supposed to identify every single K band and KA band there is. What they are, brand of gun, type of car or type of door opener etc.. That’s pretty freaking remarkable. Second place to that, to date, is a very very very very distant second place. This is like going from a horse and carriage to the first combustion engine. Just what it will do for us with K band i/o alone is worth every bit of $1200. In fact I can’t figure out your comment at all other than you just wanted to try to insult me. It didn’t work. Perhaps you should reread your post a few times. Then ask yourself what it is you are on.
 

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I’m not on anything. I figure most people are pretty stupid before they do drugs or alcohol but that’s a different subject.

Most people on this forum are enthusiasts and collect detectors, LiDAR guns and radar guns. That way they can be helpful and contribute. I don’t really know of any $100 detector can contribute much to this forum (other than to point out there are much better options) but that’s just my opinion.

I’m starting to think you haven’t even read what Theia is going to do to comment like you have. This is not some new R series, Escort or Valentine!! lol. This detector is supposed to identify every single K band and KA band there is. What they are, brand of gun, type of car or type of door opener etc.. That’s pretty freaking remarkable. Second place to that, to date, is a very very very very distant second place. This is like going from a horse and carriage to the first combustion engine. Just what it will do for us with K band i/o alone is worth every bit of $1200. In fact I can’t figure out your comment at all other than you just wanted to try to insult me. It didn’t work. Perhaps you should reread your post a few times. Then ask yourself what it is you are on.
Yup, and your opinion is off...

I don’t care what it identifies... it still doesn’t stop you from getting I/O’ed and getting a ticket. I pass 95% of police with no radar on, no radar previously picked up... and they could do just that...

I run a LRD950 in one of my daily drivers... I have never had a ticket with that... Again evaluate your definition of need. I know people who speed and only use waze with no ticket... I know people who speed with the one of best detectors on the market who can’t say the same... (and when I say speed... I mean speed...)

I have over 10 detectors and a 33.8 radar gun... I only use two... my last ticket was lidar. I’ve been using expensive radar detectors and cheap ones... honestly you CAN speed with a cheap R1 or R3... hell even a lrd and never need theia. I know this because I do it every single day... +60 psl sometimes.

The only benefit I see to theia is no falses... but people can live without that if that means saving 500+ dollars.

$100 detector was an Rx65 s7... I ran that for almost the whole duration of the M3 king days...
 
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I don’t care what it identifies... it still doesn’t stop you from getting I/O’ed and getting a ticket.

Actually if it filters out all the K band noise like they claim it absolutely will be remarkably better then any other detectors at saving you from an i/o ticket in traffic. I really don’t understand you here. Your logic seems off for someone that’s been here so long.
 

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There will be a place for both styles of detectors. For someone that can afford Theia, it will unquestionably be the best. For someone that can only afford a $400 detector, there are plenty of acceptable choices at that level. I can't afford a Porsche GT3 RS yet; that doesn't mean I still don't enjoy my E85 Golf R or my previous BMW M2.
 

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Yup, and your opinion is off...

I don’t care what it identifies... it still doesn’t stop you from getting I/O’ed and getting a ticket. I pass 95% of police with no radar on, no radar previously picked up... and they could do just that...

I run a LRD950 in one of my daily drivers... I have never had a ticket with that... Again evaluate your definition of need. I know people who speed and only use waze with no ticket... I know people who speed with the one of best detectors on the market who can’t say the same... (and when I say speed... I mean speed...)

I have over 10 detectors and a 33.8 radar gun... I only use two... my last ticket was lidar. I’ve been using expensive radar detectors and cheap ones... honestly you CAN speed with a cheap R1 or R3... hell even a lrd and never need theia. I know this because I do it every single day... +60 psl sometimes.

The only benefit I see to theia is no falses... but people can live without that if that means saving 500+ dollars.

$100 detector was an Rx65 s7... I ran that for almost the whole duration of the M3 king days...

I agree that the R1 is very capable at a good price. Also agree that no RD is a guarantee against being cited. However, if Theia performs as billed it will greatly increase one's odds of avoiding the ticket. One's tactics are a big part of this too.

Would you agree that if you want to run over 85 in VA you'd better have that grand squirreled away in the event you get caught? If you want to keep your license... Read the stories at that famous RD forum.

Of course no one NEEDS a RD or to speed. I'd never argue otherwise but when I feel the need for speed I also feel the need for the best CMs available. And I wouldn't be busting triples daily as the rabbit if I couldn't afford it.

Theia holds the promise of being the only "best RD" that detects all threats, specifically identifies I/O and falses to nothing. Time will tell. And I thought Radenso capped it at a grand but I'm not sure. $1200 would be rough but whatever.
 

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Actually if it filters out all the K band noise like they claim it absolutely will be remarkably better then any other detectors at saving you from an i/o ticket in traffic. I really don’t understand you here. Your logic seems off for someone that’s been here so long.
Honestly the R3 isn't bad in traffic... And I can get an I/O save on K-band with noisy bsm's near by... You act like an R3 isn't liveable... I've used mine in the middle of Chicago and got saves.

You seem to think you need the best to speed and that simply isn't the case... Period... Hell even Jon is saying that...

My R3 and 950 I daily is fine...

Will I still buy Theia? Likely... But you don't need it to speed...

You think you'd start to question what your saying when Jon is saying it as well.
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I agree that the R1 is very capable at a good price. Also agree that no RD is a guarantee against being cited. However, if Theia performs as billed it will greatly increase one's odds of avoiding the ticket. One's tactics are a big part of this too.

Would you agree that if you want to run over 85 in VA you'd better have that grand squirreled away in the event you get caught? If you want to keep your license... Read the stories at that famous RD forum.

Of course no one NEEDS a RD or to speed. I'd never argue otherwise but when I feel the need for speed I also feel the need for the best CMs available. And I wouldn't be busting triples daily as the rabbit if I couldn't afford it.

Theia holds the promise of being the only "best RD" that detects all threats, specifically identifies I/O and falses to nothing. Time will tell. And I thought Radenso capped it at a grand but I'm not sure. $1200 would be rough but whatever.
OMG all I'm saying is you don't need the best detector to speed at a large amount over PSL... Which is what Patton said. And you certainly don't NEED Theia... /Facepalm

Basically similar example...

I own a GTX 1070... I want a RTX 3080... I can still play all my games just fine on my GTX 1070...
 
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Honestly the R3 isn't bad in traffic... And I can get an I/O save on K-band with noisy bsm's near by... You act like an R3 isn't liveable... I've used mine in the middle of Chicago and got saves.

You seem to think you need the best to speed and that simply isn't the case... Period... Hell even Jon is saying that...

My R3 and 950 I daily is fine...

Will I still buy Theia? Likely... But you don't need it to speed...

You think you'd start to question what your saying when Jon is saying it as well.
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OMG all I'm saying is you don't need the best detector to speed at a large amount over PSL... Which is what Patton said. And you certainly don't NEED Theia... /Facepalm
Well you are certainly right in the sense that I drove the same way with G1 for a few decades and with the OG Cincinnati Microwave RDs prior to that. Of course back then it's hard to imagine a single speeding case costing four figures.

So you're right about want vs need. But you never answered the question: Do you agree that you'd better have that grand available if you get busted for serious speeding in a place like VA? The stories are right here on this forum.

While we obviously have no testing, one expectation I have of Theia is I/O detection at a substantially greater range and making it known to a higher probability than available today. While nothing saves you from the unmarked on Waze selective I/O, Theia will hopefully improve your chances against rolling I/Os like I regularly see from TX troopers.
 

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Well you are certainly right in the sense that I drove the same way with G1 for a few decades and with the OG Cincinnati Microwave RDs prior to that. Of course back then it's hard to imagine a single speeding case costing four figures.

So you're right about want vs need. But you never answered the question: Do you agree that you'd better have that grand available if you get busted for serious speeding in a place like VA? The stories are right here on this forum.

While we obviously have no testing, one expectation I have of Theia is I/O detection at a substantially greater range and making it known to a higher probability than available today. While nothing saves you from the unmarked on Waze selective I/O, Theia will hopefully improve your chances against rolling I/Os like I regularly see from TX troopers.
I drove in VA with a cobra back in the day... 😂. So that might answer your question...

You won't catch me in a communist state like that... I think I'd still run my R3 there? I'm not sure I understand the question fully tbh... I don't get rolling I/O's is what I have said previously... I don't think even if I had 15-20 miles of detection it would net me a save vs non save tbh... They are always down the road in question... Coming at you in the opposite direction. So even if Theia did alert super far out it doesn't matter I already knew they were there... Somewhere... That's how selective they are... Now granted you have to be going +30 to get them to gank you let alone for them to turn on their radar... So there's that...

2 lane road... Straight for miles...

These are also the same cops that will "go code" on this road and blast down it at 150+ and expect you to see them and move over in time for them keep going... Completely unsafe IMO...
 
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I drove in VA with a cobra back in the day... 😂. So that might answer your question...

You won't catch me in a communist state like that... I think I'd still run my R3 there? I'm not sure I understand the question fully tbh... I don't get rolling I/O's is what I have said previously... I don't think even if I had 15-20 miles of detection it would net me a save vs non save tbh... They are always down the road in question... Coming at you in the opposite direction. So even if Theia did alert super far out it doesn't matter I already knew they were there... Somewhere... That's how selective they are... Now granted you have to be going +30 to get them to gank you let alone for them to turn on their radar... So there's that...

2 lane road... Straight for miles...
Ha, I feel bad for Virginians. It only turned communist in recent years but I agree on not living in a place with such abominable governance.

It sounds like you don't face threats that Theia would be all that superior for. For those that do this is serious business. Those who want to run in those areas need to have that discretionary grand. And those that do can afford Theia. I remember when I sped beyond my means as a teenager. The couple of tickets I got were IO and I certainly felt the pain financially. What's funny is that a Passport was $300 back in '88 and I think those '88 dollars had a lot more buying power than a thousand 2020 dollars. My house costs about 7 times more. A new Mustang is about 4 times more. I'd rather spend my grand with Radenso than with the local constabulary.
 

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Ha, I feel bad for Virginians. It only turned communist in recent years but I agree on not living in a place with such abominable governance.

It sounds like you don't face threats that Theia would be all that superior for. For those that do this is serious business. Those who want to run in those areas need to have that discretionary grand. And those that do can afford Theia. I remember when I sped beyond my means as a teenager. The couple of tickets I got were IO and I certainly felt the pain financially. What's funny is that a Passport was $300 back in '88 and I think those '88 dollars had a lot more buying power than a thousand 2020 dollars. My house costs about 7 times more. A new Mustang is about 4 times more. I'd rather spend my grand with Radenso than with the local constabulary.
Well I do run +60 most days... which is jailable where I live... so there is that... on the 4 lane road adjacent to the 2 laner I’m talking about, a detector is much more usable.
 

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Honestly the R3 isn't bad in traffic... And I can get an I/O save on K-band with noisy bsm's near by... You act like an R3 isn't liveable... I've used mine in the middle of Chicago and got saves.

You seem to think you need the best to speed and that simply isn't the case... Period... Hell even Jon is saying that...

My R3 and 950 I daily is fine...

Will I still buy Theia? Likely... But you don't need it to speed...

You think you'd start to question what your saying when Jon is saying it as well.
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OMG all I'm saying is you don't need the best detector to speed at a large amount over PSL... Which is what Patton said. And you certainly don't NEED Theia... /Facepalm

Basically similar example...

I own a GTX 1070... I want a RTX 3080... I can still play all my games just fine on my GTX 1070...
I have the R3, R7, Max360c, and V1G2. I run DSP as my daily. They are all remarkably chatty with K band. All you can do is throttle them down as you know. All that does is make them ignore K band which you don’t really want them to do if you want to detect it and be protected. I would think lots of noobs that buy an R series, V1G2 or Escort hoping for a plug and play get aggravated by all the K band chatter and give up on the concept of a radar detector altogether. It’s that bad. Freaking BSMs!!!!! Now comes Theia. It is supposed to revolutionize detecting by actually identifying every source. Talk about plug and play. I genuinely don’t understand your lack of enthusiasm about this. Now don’t get me wrong if it turns out to be a flop and they had exaggerated about its abilities I will be the first to tell everyone and I will be brutal. But these guys seem as genuine as any small business I have ever dealt with and I am willing to take them at their word. I’m also betting they are being very conservative about this detectors abilities. I could be wrong but if I am I promise you I will admit it in the end.
 

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I have the R3, R7, Max360c, and V1G2. I run DSP as my daily. They are all remarkably chatty with K band. All you can do is throttle them down as you know. All that does is make them ignore K band which you don’t really want them to do if you want to detect it and be protected. I would think lots of noobs that buy an R series, V1G2 or Escort hoping for a plug and play get aggravated by all the K band chatter and give up on the concept of a radar detector altogether. It’s that bad. Freaking BSMs!!!!! Now comes Theia. It is supposed to revolutionize detecting by actually identifying every source. Talk about plug and play. I genuinely don’t understand your lack of enthusiasm about this. Now don’t get me wrong if it turns out to be a flop and they had exaggerated about its abilities I will be the first to tell everyone and I will be brutal. But these guys seem as genuine as any small business I have ever dealt with and I am willing to take them at their word. I’m also betting they are being very conservative about this detectors abilities. I could be wrong but if I am I promise you I will admit it in the end.
I don't have these issues you speak of... At all... I can also figure out if it's a BSM within a few seconds if I'm going fast...

Am I approaching a car that looks as though it has BSM? They really don't last long... The alerts come on way too fast to be real and not quite fast enough to be I/O The 950 is worse than the R3...

GPS mute is set to 30mph so I don't get annoyed with doors... Honestly, on I65 I probably get maybe 1-2 falses that make me slam the brakes a month... With the 950 it's maybe double that... It's super rare to see K-band on the highway here though and that's 99% of my driving. I don't usually speed in the city... And tbh I don't recommend most people do that... There are rare occasions I do but it's never sustained speed and you can usually get away with that...

Last time I was in an I/O situation in the city with a Kband hit I seen him and hit the brakes before he even had a chance to hit me with radar...

For me it's another detector with possibly longer range and no falses... When falses don't bug me already why would I be super enthusiastic... I remember the days of the S7, M3, and non junk filter V1... It was much harder to tell a false from a real hit...
 
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I don't have these issues you speak of... At all... I can also figure out if it's a BSM within a few seconds if I'm going fast...

Am I approaching a car that looks as though it has BSM? They really don't last long... The alerts come on way too fast to be real and not quite fast enough to be I/O The 950 is worse than the R3...

GPS mute is set to 30mph so I don't get annoyed with doors... Honestly, on I65 I probably get maybe 1-2 falses that make me slam the brakes a month... With the 950 it's maybe double that... It's super rare to see K-band on the highway here though and that's 99% of my driving. I don't usually speed in the city... And tbh I don't recommend most people do that... There are rare occasions I do but it's never sustained speed and you can usually get away with that...

Last time I was in an I/O situation in the city with a Kband hit I seen him and hit the brakes before he even had a chance to hit me with radar...

For me it's another detector with possibly longer range and no falses... When falses don't bug me already why would I be super enthusiastic... I remember the days of the S7, M3, and non junk filter V1... It was much harder to tell a false from a real hit...
Ok. More sheriffs and state police here in Florida are starting to use K band from what I can see. I’m picking it up more often than not. I would just rather be in a situation where I don’t have to constantly monitor it to try to determine whether it’s a threat or not. I drive in the city a lot. Every city in the southeast that is. When you’re doing that K band won’t shut up. It will be nice to be able to filter all that out and so when K band does alert you will know 100% it’s a police radar gun and a threat and can act accordingly rather than trying to assess all the vehicles around you as well as your speed and try to figure out if it is just a BSM.

As you know the only way to really defend yourself against i/o what is people out in front of you getting it first. This is where Theia should shine the most. I having the ability to filter out 100% of all other noise you will pick up that shot at the drivers in front of you better than what our detectors we have now will ever do. Theia to me means K band protection at the same level we all have KA band protection now. It means more than that of course but that is going to be the biggest feature of them all in my opinion.
 
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@CobawLT2010 Just how many settings and options must you have enabled to get a semi-quiet ride, because “Muted” isn’t really a quiet ride if you’re still getting a visual alert to something that’s not police radar? And even with all that turned On and filtered out, you’re still presented with falses. Theia won’t be filtering shit... it simply won’t tell you all the non-police crap is out there because guess what? You don’t need to know it’s out there. You won’t have to “evaluate” your approach to a car or passing a car or make those situational decisions yourself as you get a possible BSM false. Your brake pads will thank you. Lol
 

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