Question around first batch of Theia

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How many units do you think you will sell in a 3 year period?? 5k or 50k???

Sorry but we cannot provide sales forecasts

@Boozehound: I think @Randy at Radenso is very smitten by the OTR area in Cinci.;)
Two breweries that would probably delivery to Radenso are Rhinegeist and Taft's. Here's two links to help you out.

I don’t drink beer 😆
 

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All these little hints and promises are going to drive me mad! 😆 🤣 My wife keeps saying I've fallen for a Santa Claus story. This thing sounds too good to be true. And to think a year ago I was living in a world where I thought my V1G1, that I have had for years, was the best part of my car.

I've been talking about this since January and my close friends and family are probably tired of me speaking about it with no release yet 😅 the countdown is on, 60 days or less that pre order should be up!
 

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Totally. But from a business standpoint, there is a large unfilled gap right now - a truly high end detector that is clearly superior in every performance metric. Right now, at the price point from $350-749 there is not a single detector that wins in every area. You have to pick: BSM, range, build quality, featureset, MRCD/MRCT performance, etc. I am not chasing the $350 market with Theia - it's not a detector for everyone. It's a detector for people who want the uncontested best and don't really care about price point. And the reason it's priced high isn't because I want to make tons of money and price gouge, it's because building a detector that satisfies those goals requires a BOM way higher than anything else.

In single quantity pricing, the BOM for the RF board in Theia alone is $208. The BOM for the entire R7 or Max 3 including all accessories and packaging is sub $140.
You’re preaching to the choir... I’m just the messenger...

Do you plan on trickling down the technology as it becomes cheaper?

I know you had mentioned this at one point... obviously maybe a different performance tier at some point?

Not that I’m looking for this... as a DBA / Comms engineer I can afford this...
 

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I've been talking about this since January and my close friends and family are probably tired of me speaking about it with no release yet 😅 the countdown is on, 60 days or less that pre order should be up!
Good to know I'm in good company. All my family and friends are sick of me talking about it too. 🤣
 

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You're quite right that we need traffic enforcement. However the police use the minuscule number of boneheaded drivers moving at truly dangerous speeds to justify money generating speed traps which nail those of us driving at safe but illegal speeds which I'm afraid contributes nothing to road safety.
Exactly. Reference the pacing tickets @Disconnected posted today for 9-10 over PSL on I-95 in North FL.
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Theia is going to price themselves right out of the market if they price it at $850 or more. Perhaps a bunch of people here will but it, but they want to sell in retail stores. The everyday Joe Blow that wants a good radar detector just doesn’t care about most of the stuff talked about here. If those people came onto this forum, they would roll their eyes and get bored with all the tech talk and leave within 10 minutes. Radenso is practically a no-name company here in the states. The way to blow the doors off of Theia is to actually price it less than Escort. Build up Radensos name, get these things in as many cars as it can. Start to eat into market share and then demand more money on next products once people have committed. Otherwise, the Escort and Uniden products will always be ‘good enough’ for the majority. Fighting for the 5% of enthusiasts isn’t going to make Radenso enough money. Theia should be priced at $649 and sell a ton of them. $1 more than $799 is suicide.
That's not how marketing and setting product pricing works with any company. Retail stores sell "loss leaders" in order to get customers into the store to buy other profitable items. Car manufactures sell small cars at a loss in order to balance corporate EPA MPG figures while selling high end SUV's and pickup trucks at mass profits. Pricing is based on a variety of factors, only one of which is to sell a product based on what customers will pay. It's important to remember that Radenso will have different development costs than for example Uniden or Escort.
 
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Bottom line - there is no way to know if Theia will be better or worth it until there are real units released and tested or at least final production units that some professional reviewers can test out - right now everything is piece meal and conjecture. I understand that the software will be able to be updated but we can only judge on what is released whenever it is released - right now there is no real information.
 

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Bottom line - there is no way to know if Theia will be better or worth it until there are real units released and tested or at least final production units that some professional reviewers can test out - right now everything is piece meal and conjecture. I understand that the software will be able to be updated but we can only judge on what is released whenever it is released - right now there is no real information.
What is your definition of professional reviewer? Road & Track? Car & Driver? Maybe Motor Trend? I want to review it personally although if I qualify as rank amateur it's by a blonde hair. I like those. I want to see reviews by @Brainstorm69 ,@Transporter , @Vortex , @VariableWave , @OBeerWANKenobi , @RedRocket , and any number of other senior members in this forum. Those guys are the pros IMHO. Not to forget @Heywood as my money is on him to give us the first MRCD testing of Theia.
 
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What is your definition of professional reviewer? Road & Track? Car & Driver? Maybe Motor Trend? I want to review it personally although if I qualify as rank amateur it's by a blonde hair. I like those. I want to see reviews by @Brainstorm69 ,@Transporter , @Vortex , @VariableWave , @OBeerWANKenobi , @RedRocket , and any number of other senior members in this forum. Those guys are the pros IMHO.
I agree with you on who should review the unit - love the reviews by @Vortex
 

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We have already mentioned several times in the past that we will be showing videos of Theia in action before pre-orders begin and Vortex will also be able to do testing before units are shipped.

I think most of you still keep forgetting we are enthusiasts too and have been before many of you even registered for RDF.
 

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We have already mentioned several times in the past that we will be showing videos of Theia in action before pre-orders begin and Vortex will also be able to do testing before units are shipped.

I think most of you still keep forgetting we are enthusiasts too and have been before many of you even registered for RDF.

They probably just don't trust someone who doesn't drink beer :beer:
 

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Bottom line - there is no way to know if Theia will be better or worth it until there are real units released and tested or at least final production units that some professional reviewers can test out - right now everything is piece meal and conjecture. I understand that the software will be able to be updated but we can only judge on what is released whenever it is released - right now there is no real information.


Well actually there is, but then that would mean that you took the time to at least glance at ALL the available material in the Radenso Theia section of the Forum, Read through the FAQ, watched the Videos in that section, plus watched all the videos that were available if one subscribed to the Theia Blast.

The simple fact that Theia is NOT a frequency based faux Radar Detector but an actual Police Radar Signal Detector means it is better IE it can identify actual signals which a frequency based faux RD can not and that MEANS it will be better and more than worth it. ZERO BSM! Basically twice the range and sensitivity which means Theia is superior in every area of actual Police Radar Detection.

Now on to the statements about there is no way Theia can be ready by year end. Do you work for Radenso but don't have a NAME at Radenso Forum username? I thought not. If you had watched some of the aforementioned videos, you would have seen that over six months ago they had second generation PCBs to work from. The antenna design has been long finished and all the casting could have been produced months ago. My personal opinion is that all the hardware is done. They are most likely working on the final firmware and the UI so that Theia in its most basic useable form will be ready to hit the road before year end. And since I am an RF Engineer and understand signal identification in regards to identifying Police Radar plus eliminating ALL BSM, Theia in its most basic form of just being an easy to use and just hang on the windshield Radar Detector will be miles better then anything currently available.

Please understand that when one doesn't have to Block/Filter signals that are on actual Police Radar Frequencies but you can identify that they are Police Radar or simply ignore them: Range and Sensitivity go through the roof. So no review is necessary to know that a released Theia will be the best radar detector money can buy hands down even before it is released.

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They probably just don't trust someone who doesn't drink beer
Guess I'm lucky I can drink them all, and mix with out issues.

I just stay away from too much Southern Comfort..does have its issues..maybe Escort style

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Guess I'm lucky I can drink them all, and mix with out issues.

I just stay away from too much Southern Comfort..does have its issues..maybe Escort style

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She looks like R360c at 2 but like Rocky Mountain Radar at 10?

@Transporter your point is well taken. However, please don't expect to get out of this so easily. Many will expect testing from you and other highly respected members here. I look forward to testing the IO Scout feature. Theia is analyzing the entire signal, not just verifying that it's in a certain window of frequency. I fully expect it to see all the negative resistance and drift that happens upon an IO shot. Also agree with you that they have the hardware sorted or mostly sorted out and are performing last tweaks to firmware. Exciting times!
 
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Well actually there is, but then that would mean that you took the time to at least glance at ALL the available material in the Radenso Theia section of the Forum, Read through the FAQ, watched the Videos in that section, plus watched all the videos that were available if one subscribed to the Theia Blast.

The simple fact that Theia is NOT a frequency based faux Radar Detector but an actual Police Radar Signal Detector means it is better IE it can identify actual signals which a frequency based faux RD can not and that MEANS it will be better and more than worth it. ZERO BSM! Basically twice the range and sensitivity which means Theia is superior in every area of actual Police Radar Detection.

Now on to the statements about there is no way Theia can be ready by year end. Do you work for Radenso but don't have a NAME at Radenso Forum username? I thought not. If you had watched some of the aforementioned videos, you would have seen that over six months ago they had second generation PCBs to work from. The antenna design has been long finished and all the casting could have been produced months ago. My personal opinion is that all the hardware is done. They are most likely working on the final firmware and the UI so that Theia in its most basic useable form will be ready to hit the road before year end. And since I am an RF Engineer and understand signal identification in regards to identifying Police Radar plus eliminating ALL BSM, Theia in its most basic form of just being an easy to use and just hang on the windshield Radar Detector will be miles better then anything currently available.

Please understand that when one doesn't have to Block/Filter signals that are on actual Police Radar Frequencies but you can identify that they are Police Radar or simply ignore them: Range and Sensitivity go through the roof. So no review is necessary to know that a released Theia will be the best radar detector money can buy hands down even before it is released.

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I have done what you said long ago and have watched their videos - I am not disputing what they have shown and I do believe they will release Theia - hopefully before the end of the year like they say. I am sure they have the hardware complete and are tuning the software - once you put things in enclosures and take into the wild things sometimes do not go exactly as planned - so I am excited to see real world testing and it is great to hear that @Vortex will be testing before it is released and will obviously have an NDA. Until we see results it’s hard to get too excited when we don’t know the real difference between Theia and other detectors. At one point a warning more in advance doesn’t matter - what that distance is can be debated but 1 vs 2 or 3 miles - at some point is statistics and not a practical difference- having better analysis is great.

really it comes down to needing concrete data and analysis and think as one can tell in this string people are getting ants. It is impossible to judge the value without the ultimate information and analysis - so we just have to wait
 

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...think as one can tell in this string people are getting ants. It is impossible to judge the value without the ultimate information and analysis - so we just have to wait
A few people are getting ants [sic]. Others are clearly frustrated management consultants who need to start their own company and share their wisdom, particularly marketing insights, with the world. RDF is a much too small a stage for them. All they need to do is learn manners and they'd be all set.
 

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