mobile speedcam got me....

[At0mic9]

Damn! my first ticket in over 5 years...a bloody Redflex speed camera parked up in a van on the main road, and i usually spot them a mile away, but not this time!
my R3 has saved me several times on Ka, but doesnt scan low enough in the k band to detect Redflex camera's. i have since got myself an R7, with a vertical mount, and Mithheru's custom firmware to help out when my Mark I eyeballs arent paying close enough attention!
out of curiosity I requested the photo to see where the speedcam was. i also noticed that another vehicle was also in the photo - apparently they can detect which vehicle was speeding, and in which direction it was traveling too...
i cant wait to test my new R7 out on the next mobile van the next time i see one...

Enclosed is a copy of the photograph you requested.
PLEASE NOTE: The speed camera is designed to take photographs of vehicles not drivers. It is the vehicle owner’s responsibility to identify the driver at the time of the alleged offence.
Any correspondence submitted to Police must contain either the ICN (Image/photo record number) or Notice Number.
If you have written an explanation or asked for other information as well as the requested photograph, a separate response will be forwarded in due course. You can find more information about speed limits, cameras and enforcement on our website www.police.govt.nz/speed.
Both the mobile and fixed cameras use a radar based speed detection system to measure vehicle speeds.
The following is an example and explanation of the details on the data line from both a mobile and fixed camera photograph.

Example: Mobile Camera Photograph Data Line
Sat 23 Jan 16.28 07:43:32 Recorded Speed: 61 Towards (either towards or away)
(Day, Date and Time) (Alleged speed recorded) (Direction of travel of speed checked vehicle)
Posted Speed limit 50 AC0053 Far (either near or far) 632456130
(Speed limit) (Police camera site code) (radar range setting*) (Image (photo) record number)

Note: The radar range setting*(near or far). There is no operational difference between the two.
Example: Fixed Camera Photograph Data Line
Wed 23 Dec 15.08 07:43:32 Recorded Speed: 64 Towards (either towards or away)
(Day, Date and Time) (Alleged speed recorded) (Direction of travel of speed checked vehicle)
Lane B (can be lane A B C D E etc) Posted speed limit 50 AWF003 690718142
(Lane vehicle was speed checked) (Speed limit) (Police camera site code) (Image (photo) number)


Photographs often show more than one vehicle. The green oval indicates which vehicles speed is recorded. The blue circle and red arrows are for alignment purposes.
The lane in which a vehicle is travelling is identified after the word “lane“ in the data line. Lane A is always the nearest lane to the camera, with lanes further away labelled in alphabetical subsequent order. Note that Lane A may include part lanes.

Police Infringement Bureau | Road Policing Support | New Zealand Police
Email: [email protected]
Road Safety is Everyone's Responsibility

 

[R4D4RUS3R]

Dang, thats like the red light cameras only worse. We pay $50 US and done, I assume these come with points of some kind attached?

 

[vr6ix]

My condolences. Seeing this kind of stuff makes me extremely thankful the only real threats I need to deal with are Ka I/O and the very occasional laser.

 

[LouG]

Dang, thats like the red light cameras only worse. We pay $50 US and done, I assume these come with points of some kind attached?

Not in NZ

 

[At0mic9]

Dang, thats like the red light cameras only worse. We pay $50 US and done, I assume these come with points of some kind attached?

we get a fine relative to how much over the PSL you are, luckly no demerit points from camera's, here you only get demerits when a LEO pulls you over with the disco lights. this ticket was $80 or about $50 USD

 

[Mithheru]

@At0mic9 I agree redflex is a right pain. I possibly also got a ticket this week (see my footage).

Guy in front I reckon also had radar, but he made no reaction. My R7 got the van, but looks as though it was shielded by traffic on the fist run. This location is also super tricky as there is a grass bank in the middle between the two lanes, so that's absorbing all the radar with almost no chance of a lucky reflection.

@Zakk and I also came across this very same van yesterday, but in a different location in the daylight. I had R7 128 Int test firmware version, versus his R7 NZ 125 firmware. We both got about 500m+ of range.

So goes to show how tricky these vans can be, especially in the right (wrong location).

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@Zakk

Here are our comparative videos of our R7s against the same van. Based upon your still image at point of capture, looks as though we both got detection at the very same time. Not sure if this is coincidental or whether your R7 version is slightly more sensitive than mine. Pretty similar results though. Plenty good enough against redflex in this location

 

[G37X Jockey]

I encountered a couple of radar vans while visiting NZ a couple of years ago. Luckily some NZ drivers are willing to flash their lights which saved me.
Sorry the OP caught a tough break.

 

[Saussie]

Yeah these are a prick of a thing.
I remember back in the day if 2 cars were in the picture they would throw it out, not knowing who was speeding. Arguable back then. Now the new cams can pick the lane.
These suck. Can't wait for the day a company cracks redflex with decent range (I've been saying this for ages repeating myself).
I almost bought an R3 when first released. Very close to pulling the trigger.
Researched devices for over 2 years and still nothing with full stealth alongside good range that's convinced me to part with my cash.
I see so many devices bragging how good it is, and these cams eat them for breakfast every time. That said, full stealth as part of the package in an RD against this makes it tough. Don't think there's anything that ticks all the boxes yet without compromise.
Vortex tested a bunch of R7's and some leaked more than others to rdd's, so who knows what batch you might end up with if stealth is a deal breaker.

 

[At0mic9]

Yeah these are a prick of a thing.
I remember back in the day if 2 cars were in the picture they would throw it out, not knowing who was speeding. Arguable back then. Now the new cams can pick the lane.
These suck. Can't wait for the day a company cracks redflex with decent range (I've been saying this for ages repeating myself).
I almost bought an R3 when first released. Very close to pulling the trigger.
Researched devices for over 2 years and still nothing with full stealth alongside good range that's convinced me to part with my cash.
I see so many devices bragging how good it is, and these cams eat them for breakfast every time. That said, full stealth as part of the package in an RD against this makes it tough. Don't think there's anything that ticks all the boxes yet without compromise.
Vortex tested a bunch of R7's and some leaked more than others to rdd's, so who knows what batch you might end up with if stealth is a deal breaker.

yeah we are lucky that RD's are prefectly legal, what a hassle to have a stealth RD! i think the new Theia will be invisible to RDD?

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@At0mic9 I agree redflex is a right pain. I possibly also got a ticket this week (see my footage).

Guy in front I reckon also had radar, but he made no reaction. My R7 got the van, but looks as though it was shielded by traffic on the fist run. This location is also super tricky as there is a grass bank in the middle between the two lanes, so that's absorbing all the radar with almost no chance of a lucky reflection.

@Zakk and I also came across this very same van yesterday, but in a different location in the daylight. I had R7 128 Int test firmware version, versus his R7 NZ 125 firmware. We both got about 500m+ of range.

So goes to show how tricky these vans can be, especially in the right (wrong location).

Post automatically merged: Aug 24, 2020

@Zakk

Here are our comparative videos of our R7s against the same van. Based upon your still image at point of capture, looks as though we both got detection at the very same time. Not sure if this is coincidental or whether your R7 version is slightly more sensitive than mine. Pretty similar results though. Plenty good enough against redflex in this location

wow that first revenue van in the dark was hard to pick up, unlike the second video, where the R7 was picking up plenty of K scatter from other vehicles ahead! nice range!

 

[nzradars]

If only there was a radar detector that had a chance of clearly identifying (and isolating) the Redflex tech instead of trying to focus on a narrow, low powered weak little frequency range in the noisy K band range.

We reckon that technology is very very close.

 

[At0mic9]

If only there was a radar detector that had a chance of clearly identifying (and isolating) the Redflex tech instead of trying to focus on a narrow, low powered weak little frequency range in the noisy K band range.

We reckon that technology is very very close.

yep, the Radenso Theia will be to Holy Grail if they pull that off....its looking promising, but proof will be in the testing

 

[Autotech198]

Damn! my first ticket in over 5 years...a bloody Redflex speed camera parked up in a van on the main road, and i usually spot them a mile away, but not this time!
my R3 has saved me several times on Ka, but doesnt scan low enough in the k band to detect Redflex camera's. i have since got myself an R7, with a vertical mount, and Mithheru's custom firmware to help out when my Mark I eyeballs arent paying close enough attention!
out of curiosity I requested the photo to see where the speedcam was. i also noticed that another vehicle was also in the photo - apparently they can detect which vehicle was speeding, and in which direction it was traveling too...
i cant wait to test my new R7 out on the next mobile van the next time i see one...

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Enclosed is a copy of the photograph you requested.
PLEASE NOTE: The speed camera is designed to take photographs of vehicles not drivers. It is the vehicle owner’s responsibility to identify the driver at the time of the alleged offence.
Any correspondence submitted to Police must contain either the ICN (Image/photo record number) or Notice Number.
If you have written an explanation or asked for other information as well as the requested photograph, a separate response will be forwarded in due course. You can find more information about speed limits, cameras and enforcement on our website www.police.govt.nz/speed.
Both the mobile and fixed cameras use a radar based speed detection system to measure vehicle speeds.
The following is an example and explanation of the details on the data line from both a mobile and fixed camera photograph.

Example: Mobile Camera Photograph Data Line
Sat 23 Jan 16.28 07:43:32 Recorded Speed: 61 Towards (either towards or away)
(Day, Date and Time) (Alleged speed recorded) (Direction of travel of speed checked vehicle)
Posted Speed limit 50 AC0053 Far (either near or far) 632456130
(Speed limit) (Police camera site code) (radar range setting*) (Image (photo) record number)

Note: The radar range setting*(near or far). There is no operational difference between the two.
Example: Fixed Camera Photograph Data Line
Wed 23 Dec 15.08 07:43:32 Recorded Speed: 64 Towards (either towards or away)
(Day, Date and Time) (Alleged speed recorded) (Direction of travel of speed checked vehicle)
Lane B (can be lane A B C D E etc) Posted speed limit 50 AWF003 690718142
(Lane vehicle was speed checked) (Speed limit) (Police camera site code) (Image (photo) number)


Photographs often show more than one vehicle. The green oval indicates which vehicles speed is recorded. The blue circle and red arrows are for alignment purposes.
The lane in which a vehicle is travelling is identified after the word “lane“ in the data line. Lane A is always the nearest lane to the camera, with lanes further away labelled in alphabetical subsequent order. Note that Lane A may include part lanes.

Police Infringement Bureau | Road Policing Support | New Zealand Police
Email: [email protected]
Road Safety is Everyone's Responsibility

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Redflex Traffic Systems Enters into Non-Prosecution Agreement with United States

The Department of Justice and the United States Attorney’s Offices for the Northern District of Illinois and the Southern District of Ohio (collectively, “DOJ”) have entered into a non-prosecution agreement with Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., a Phoenix-based automated safety company.

www.justice.gov

 

[At0mic9]

Read the full article slowly.

Redflex Traffic Systems Enters into Non-Prosecution Agreement with United States

The Department of Justice and the United States Attorney’s Offices for the Northern District of Illinois and the Southern District of Ohio (collectively, “DOJ”) have entered into a non-prosecution agreement with Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., a Phoenix-based automated safety company.

www.justice.gov

so the way i read that, and correct me if im worng.... Redflex have agreed to pay damages for corruption in the US, and agreed to a 2 year non-prosecution period with Australian Police? i wish that would extend to NZ!
@LouG your interpretation?

 

[At0mic9]

Read the full article slowly.

Redflex Traffic Systems Enters into Non-Prosecution Agreement with United States

The Department of Justice and the United States Attorney’s Offices for the Northern District of Illinois and the Southern District of Ohio (collectively, “DOJ”) have entered into a non-prosecution agreement with Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., a Phoenix-based automated safety company.

www.justice.gov

that article is old news....published in 2016 and updated 2019....

 

[Saussie]

so the way i read that, and correct me if im worng.... Redflex have agreed to pay damages for corruption in the US, and agreed to a 2 year non-prosecution period with Australian Police? i wish that would extend to NZ!
@LouG your interpretation?

Yeah, see... I reckon Australia and NZ just bent the rules on this one. I can't believe it after I read that. Didn't they rip up every camera in Arizona or something and give them the boot?

 

[LouG]

I read it that OZ Police will not prosecute Redflex management. Unless I've missed it, there seems to be no reference to individual speeding prosecutions/tickets.

 

[Bossdad71]

Ouch they sure like those over there

 

[nzradars]

yep, the Radenso Theia will be to Holy Grail if they pull that off

The key word there is "if".

The Theia looks like amazing tech, but chances are someone's going to beat them with completely different technology, and much sooner.

 

[At0mic9]

The key word there is "if".

The Theia looks like amazing tech, but chances are someone's going to beat them with completely different technology, and much sooner.

care to elaborate on who might be competing with Radenso?
RDF community usually have their finger on the pulse in the industry, so i would be surprised if someone else was developing a groundbreaking new product without someone here knowing about it...

 

[LouG]

Competing with Radenso? High end - VR, Uniden, Escort. Bottom of the barrel - Whistler, Cobra, etc.
Radenso just rebrand existing detectors. Some of them are quite effective in specific areas like MRCD apparently, but generally they're not top dogs. Radenso do not have the brand recognition to the public that the others do either.
Time will tell if they produce anything worthwhile of their own, but time is also passing very quickly.