First long distance trip cross 4 States with RL360C..... Joys with some questions

spanky

Learning to Drive
General User
Joined
May 22, 2020
Messages
45
Reaction score
78
I have just been running mine in Highway mode and forgetting about it.
 

cruiser66

PSL +5
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
394
Reaction score
436
I concur.....highway mode with RL 360 I still find very quiet in comparison to the R7. Auto mode does make me a little more nervous on the open road. I prefer to set and forget so highway mode is what I have been running.
Agreed 100%, re. set it and forget it. I don't like having to remember to switch back to Highway mode; too risky.
So until the Auto sensitivity issue is addressed (assuming it is, which is not certain), I will probably leave my RL360c in Highway mode (This is more so to ensure I am better protected during drives to other areas where K is used - I have not seen K used in my area).
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
2,679
Reaction score
6,860
Age
54
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
I'm not sure there is anything wrong with Auto mode.
It's just the way it operates.
The R360c matches the best K Band receptions of the best competition on highway mode, and auto mode achieving 66% of Highway mode still puts it better than most other detectors out there.
Think of it as comparable to the R7 @ 40 to 50% settings and still beating the competition, but R360c having even fewer falses.
The option is there for Extreme range simply by switching to highway mode.
It's nice to be able to take the edge off K Band when needed.
 

cruiser66

PSL +5
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
394
Reaction score
436
I'm not sure there is anything wrong with Auto mode.
It's just the way it operates.
The R360c matches the best K Band receptions of the best competition on highway mode, and auto mode achieving 66% of Highway mode still puts it better than most other detectors out there.
Think of it as comparable to the R7 @ 40 to 50% settings and still beating the competition, but R360c having even fewer falses.
The option is there for Extreme range simply by switching to highway mode.
It's nice to be able to take the edge off K Band when needed.
Thanks. The reason I say this is based on prior statements by Larry - Official Escort forum rep (dating back too 2013 and before):

Dug this up for context (back from 2013):
http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8905 - Here one could argue they never said it is equivalent; however, check the following 2016 thread:
See post #20 by Larry who replies to this very specific question:

Originally Posted by Jones
viewpost.gif

Larry, you are saying the 360 (or the GPS line to include the MAX/IX whatever) ARE in fact speed dependent and achieve FULL sensitivity even in AUTO mode above 50mph...it performs as if set to HIGHWAY above 50mph?...full sensitivity on all bands over 50mph? right?
Larry's reply: "On the Max detectors there is some additional filtering happening on X and K when using Auto mode and traveling above 50MPH which may slightly affect performance compared to using Highway mode.
I personally use Auto mode a lot too."
(end quote)

I would not call Auto mode achieving ~66% of Highway mode sensitivity (based on testing referenced / posted recently here on RDF during RL360c discussions) a "slight" impact "compared to using Highway mode".
Till not too long ago (before I read about the 66% test), I had always gone by what Larry (Escort rep) told us regarding the implementation of Auto mode...
Glad to have seen the testing here that clearly shows it is not, so now I can factor that into my decision whether to run Auto mode or not (unless they change Auto mode sensitivity to be closer to Larry's claims).

PS: Did not go through other threads on ERF due to lack of time right now; there are many more threads on this. :)
 
Last edited:

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
2,679
Reaction score
6,860
Age
54
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Based on what I've tested and seen from others results.
Me:
9500i
9500ix - Auto mode affects K range to about 2/3 of highway. K Band is the 9500ix best radar frequency for reception beating Ka handily.
Max II - Auto mode and K performance is almost an exact replica of 9500i(x) performance. Handily beats them on Ka by at least 2x range or more.

Others:
Max360(c): mirrors Max II performance closely, with rear horn features added.
RL360c: outperforms every other Escort detector (arguably on all bands). Auto mode reacts in the same fashion as all the above however at a considerable range advantage. Think R7 sensitivity. BSM performance possibly better than any other detector at this time. Early days yet to declare free of issues.
Max 3: K band performance is just shy of the new R360c, perhaps not as good on BSMs. This is the detector that it is advised not to run Auto mode until after an update, if you're in a K Band enforcement area. K band is horribly desensitized on Auto mode having alerts in the kill zone far too late for a save. Run highway mode until new firmware fix.

@cruiser66 that's lots of good info. Thanks.

Summary.
Don't be afraid of Auto mode on a RL360c. Of any detector Escort has made it works the best because of it's Extreme range.
I would bet that a RL360c and a Max360c would be very close with the Redline on Auto and Max on Highway, with the Redline being far quieter.
Nice to have that Extreme range on highway mode for when you want it.
 

radlink54

Learning to Drive
General User
Joined
Aug 6, 2020
Messages
5
Reaction score
7
Just FYI I have 2 older 360max's and tried the new Redline 360c. Mine also was "very quiet" and never alerted passing sheriffs in my locale that always run K band guns while driving. Started to worry, put the max360 back in the car with the new redline and alternated power plugs....the max was alerting and the redline 360c was dead ( on hwy setting). It went back for refund. I got one of the first units. I have purchased maybe 15 escort and bel products since the late 80's. The redline 360c I received was a bust. Not sure whether to try again after a few months or look at some of the other well rated options. At least they refunded the high cost without issue.
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
2,679
Reaction score
6,860
Age
54
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Based on what I've tested and seen from others results.
Me:
9500i
9500ix - Auto mode affects K range to about 2/3 of highway. K Band is the 9500ix best radar frequency for reception beating Ka handily.
Max II - Auto mode and K performance is almost an exact replica of 9500i(x) performance. Handily beats them on Ka by at least 2x range or more.

Others:
Max360(c): mirrors Max II performance closely, with rear horn features added.
RL360c: outperforms every other Escort detector (arguably on all bands). Auto mode reacts in the same fashion as all the above however at a considerable range advantage. Think R7 sensitivity. BSM performance possibly better than any other detector at this time. Early days yet to declare free of issues.
Max 3: K band performance is just shy of the new R360c, perhaps not as good on BSMs. This is the detector that it is advised not to run Auto mode until after an update, if you're in a K Band enforcement area. K band is horribly desensitized on Auto mode having alerts in the kill zone far too late for a save. Run highway mode until new firmware fix.

@cruiser66 that's lots of good info. Thanks.

Summary.
Don't be afraid of Auto mode on a RL360c. Of any detector Escort has made it works the best because of it's Extreme range.
I would bet that a RL360c and a Max360c would be very close with the Redline on Auto and Max on Highway, with the Redline being far quieter.
Nice to have that Extreme range on highway mode for when you want it.
Update:
Escort has just released a firmware update that addresses the Max 3 problems. It should act as per other Escorts now if done right.
Needs testing to confirm.
 

HZ360C

Learning to Fly
Beginner User
Joined
Feb 19, 2020
Messages
157
Reaction score
268
With all the great comments and knowledges that been shared here, today, I tool another 150 miles round trip (75 one way) with the same route to test out the Auto and Highway setting, to gain more understanding how Escort really intended for those features. Here is my conclusion and observations:

Testing environment:

It is on DE US Route 1 highway, a toll road with both regular booth and fast travel EZ-Pass lane. PSL is 65mph. Along the way, there is an Air Force base (Dover) along the side and I have remembered there is a stationary X band and few K band sources from gates monitoring system. At my beginning point before get on highway, there is a traffic light camera with K band signal.

Testing Processes:

I initial my RL360c with Highway sensitivity while I am still parked about 1000 feet away from the beginning point. Instantly I got the K alert from the red light camera. It is further confirmed by EL database, and alert in voice as well. So far so good. As I started my route, it alerted with K until I passed intersection, arrow flipped perfectly. I have been moving at about 70mph for this test. As I am approaching the toll gate, I got the K alert about 1/2 miles out. With RL360c sensitivities at highest, The initial alert presented with multiple sources front and back, the back alert is most likely from the car or truck behind me and bouncing off the signals. I pick the speed lane for this test and again, arrow flipped as soon as I passed toll gate. Again, it performed well as expected. One thing that I noticed that back sensitivity seems higher than front, after I passed gate, it seems hanging a bit longer that initial front detection. However, it could be the case how my detector is mounted on the windshield as I have stated in my initial post, it is not leveled with a degree or so titled downward in front. As I passing the Air Force Base area, I got the X alert, as well as few knowing K sources alerts. Those are relatively weak signals and about lit half way on the display. As I exited at the the end of this toll section highway, experiences are pretty much the same.

On my return, I re-set the detector back to Auto. Once again, when I first approached toll entrance, I used fast lane. But this time, it only alert me about 1/4 miles away, with only front single source. No problems with arrow flipping. Now as I am passing the Air Force Base again, no X and K alerts any more! As I am coming to the end of toll section, I decided to using the regular toll lane, which brought my speed down to 25-35 miles range. This is where magic happened, complete silence, no toll gate K alerts any more! As I passed gate, few minutes down the road, I suddenly received Ka alerts, it ramped up as I am continued, then multiple sources alerting, soon hits the full tilt. I am started to looking for sources, and about a mile out, sure enough, there was a multi-car accident with multiple LE cars parked along the way. A surprised addition but a good one! As I came off the highway, back to my starting point, again, no K alert for the red camera as I am traveling way below 45 mph as I am crossing the intersection. The one interest thing was it also didn’t have voice alert for red light camera from EL database as I started this test?!

Conclusion and thoughts:

Based on this short test, one thing is certain, that validated @Vortex had experienced may get multiple sources K alerts for the single source, and Auto in highway speed does provide adequate alert range despite in reduce sensitivity. The benefit of Auto is much quite as when you reduced speed, it also considered those signals are no longer the threats. So, combined with dynamic sensitivities and patented using speed information, compare the database and sources type to determine if it needs to be alert or not, maybe that is what Escort defined AI for RL360c.

Now re-think about why I didn’t get any K alerts on PA turnpike, because I have passed every toll gate with slow speed while in Auto mode!
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
2,679
Reaction score
6,860
Age
54
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Also, have you got AutoLearn on???
That will start autolocking out repeat signals as you pass by 3 or more times and get the alerts.
I expect all your stationary signals to go silent after a few passes if AutoLearn is on.
On by default settings? Anyone?
 

HZ360C

Learning to Fly
Beginner User
Joined
Feb 19, 2020
Messages
157
Reaction score
268
Also, have you got AutoLearn on???
That will start autolocking out repeat signals as you pass by 3 or more times and get the alerts.
I expect all your stationary signals to go silent after a few passes if AutoLearn is on.
On by default settings? Anyone?
This was the first time I am using RL360c on that route for test. AutoLearn is on by default. However, when it learned or stored stationary signals, it will beep and display the message. As you passing the locked signals, the screen will display the blank (instead of Auto or Highway), which to indicate there is a locked out signal, and you will have the option to “unlock” that signal. What I am experiencing here is just simply filtered signals, like BSM filter does.
 

DrHow

Going “Plaid” ASAP (Tesla S) RDT refugee
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 18, 2018
Messages
3,769
Reaction score
6,313
I prefer Auto Mode because I like the extra filtering that it gives (such as in shopping centers). It doesn't have the same impact to range that the Max 3 does so it's definitely usable in practice. If you want maximum range at all times though, Highway Mode is perfect for that.

That's really the main stuff to look at when choosing your sensitivity levels, not so much the overdriving stuff.
With the RL 360c, do you experience that Auto never goes to 100 percent at any speed @Vortex? There is some evidence By others on semi short runs for testing (if one calls 2+ miles short assuming steady 65mph) that RL 360 never goes full sensitivity in auto.
Post automatically merged:

I'm not sure there is anything wrong with Auto mode.
It's just the way it operates.
The R360c matches the best K Band receptions of the best competition on highway mode, and auto mode achieving 66% of Highway mode still puts it better than most other detectors out there.
Think of it as comparable to the R7 @ 40 to 50% settings and still beating the competition, but R360c having even fewer falses.
The option is there for Extreme range simply by switching to highway mode.
It's nice to be able to take the edge off K Band when needed.
Interesting way to look at it. Assuming ER does neuter K on auto no matter the speed. I am going to assume it does at this point (at least on RL 360c). Time to get clarification by @EscortRadar and @GailFromCedar team. Gail, plase Have yout team put the main topic of this post to bed, How exactly does Auto work for RL 360c (and any Max arrow product)? Thank you.
 
Last edited:

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
2,679
Reaction score
6,860
Age
54
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
With the RL 360c, do you experience that Auto never goes to 100 percent at any speed @Vortex? There is some evidence By others on semi short runs for testing (if one calls 2+ miles short assuming steady 65mph) that RL 360 never goes full sensitivity in auto.
Post automatically merged:


Interesting way to look at it. Assuming ER does neuter K on auto no matter the speed. I am going to assume it does at this point (at least on RL 360c). Time to get clarification by @EscortRadar and @GailFromCedar team. Gail, plase Have yout team put the main topic of this post to bed, How exactly does Auto work for RL 360c (and any Max arrow product)? Thank you.
@cruiser66 above post has links and responses from previous Escort queries and they allude a few times that Auto mode has additional filtering over highway at any speed. And that Auto mode is slightly reduced in range.
It's good to ask again but Escort may consider the answer proprietary information.
Someone could run the R360c auto vs highway on extended distance at speed to confirm.
From above...
 

Brainstorm69

TXCTG - 2016 MOTY
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 23, 2015
Messages
11,302
Reaction score
27,464
Location
Lone Star State
So I did some K-band testing with the Bushnell the weekend before last that I haven't published, but it was consistent with previous testing evidencing that the RL 360c in Auto mode still has some reduced sensitivity/filtering going on. I tested on the Van Alstyne course and while in this particular case, the difference between Hwy and Auto was not a lot, it was still shorter. This was at 60 mph cresting the incline at the beginning of the course. All the detectors (V1G2 (A mode), RL 360c (Hwy) and R7 (Adv K=40%)) were basically maxing out the course in their most sensitive modes.

Like in our previous test, V1G2 in L mode, RL 360c in Auto, and R7 in City were shorter, although not quite as much shorter as they were against best max sensitivity detection against the low-powered K of the Falcon HR. In this case, most likely because of the course terrain limitations, all three were close to their max sensitivity detections.
 

Darkmann

Learning to Drive
General User
Joined
Nov 17, 2017
Messages
48
Reaction score
79
....So, it was a really boring trip for the least without much of action......
That's a good thing.
Post automatically merged:

Agreed 100%, re. set it and forget it. I don't like having to remember to switch back to Highway mode; too risky.
So until the Auto sensitivity issue is addressed (assuming it is, which is not certain), I will probably leave my RL360c in Highway mode (This is more so to ensure I am better protected during drives to other areas where K is used - I have not seen K used in my area).
Without getting too technical, whether AUTO or HIGHWAY, the RL360c will warn at least 1.5 miles to LEO. I think that's plenty of time to avoid LEO. I just got my RL360c - this thing is a blast. I run AUTO all the time (9500, 9500ix, iXc), city and highway. I drive the Eastern US corridor, often from NY/MD to NC/GA/FL/LA. No problems with running in AUTO mode.
 
Last edited:

cruiser66

PSL +5
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
394
Reaction score
436
That's a good thing.
Post automatically merged:


Without getting too technical, whether AUTO or HIGHWAY, the RL360c will warn at least 1.5 miles to LEO. I think that's plenty of time to avoid LEO. I just got my RL360c - this thing is a blast. I run AUTO all the time (9500, 9500ix, iXc), city and highway. I drive the Eastern US corridor, often from NY/MD to NC/GA/FL/LA. No problems with running in AUTO mode.
Vortex's recent K band tests for the RL360 in Auto mode show lower distances than "1.5 miles for"Auto or Highway" noted above. For instance, Auto mode distance on K band was only 764 feet in one test. Even Highway mode was under 1/2 mile in all his RL360c Red Barn tests with firmware version 1.3.
Per posts by others, this is why they are running theirs in Highway mode (if they have K band in their area). 764 feet is not enough warning for Constant On (CO), let alone the much trickier I/O where the only protection is hoping for long range alerts resulting from detection of other cars ahead being targeted by the LEO.

If Escort can make Auto mode sensitivity almost the same as Highway mode at highway speeds (e.g. 90% vs current ~66%) and also start Auto mode out at a reasonable sensitivity level at lower speeds (e.g. 50% at 25 MPH or 40% if people prefer, also just an example) and ramp up sensitivity proportionally from there as speed increases, then Auto mode might be a lot safer IMO...
Luckily Highway mode is pretty quiet. However, with K mode not used much in my area, a better Auto mode implementation / algorithm (as per my example above) might be nice since it could help balance the ability to detect real K alerts well with filtering out BSM even better than Highway mode (given reduced sensitivity of Auto mode at lower speeds).

Just my thoughts on it. :)
 

Brainstorm69

TXCTG - 2016 MOTY
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 23, 2015
Messages
11,302
Reaction score
27,464
Location
Lone Star State
Vortex's recent K band tests for the RL360 in Auto mode show lower distances than "1.5 miles for"Auto or Highway" noted above. For instance, Auto mode distance on K band was only 764 feet in one test. Even Highway mode was under 1/2 mile in all his RL360c Red Barn tests with firmware version 1.3.
Per posts by others, this is why they are running theirs in Highway mode (if they have K band in their area). 764 feet is not enough warning for Constant On (CO), let alone the much trickier I/O where the only protection is hoping for long range alerts resulting from detection of other cars ahead being targeted by the LEO.

If Escort can make Auto mode sensitivity almost the same as Highway mode at highway speeds (e.g. 90% vs current ~66%) and also start Auto mode out at a reasonable sensitivity level at lower speeds (e.g. 50% at 25 MPH or 40% if people prefer, also just an example) and ramp up sensitivity proportionally from there as speed increases, then Auto mode might be a lot safer IMO...
Luckily Highway mode is pretty quiet. However, with K mode not used much in my area, a better Auto mode implementation / algorithm (as per my example above) might be nice since it could help balance the ability to detect real K alerts well with filtering out BSM even better than Highway mode (given reduced sensitivity of Auto mode at lower speeds).

Just my thoughts on it. :)
It all depends on the course and the radar gun. In TXCTG's last testing in Waco, even in Auto mode the RL360c was able to detect the Falcon HR from 1.8 miles away.


And in the testing I mentioned in my post above (https://www.rdforum.org/threads/103026/post-1486906), the RL360c in Auto mode at 60 mph detected the Bushnell from about 2.6 miles.
 
Last edited:

cruiser66

PSL +5
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
394
Reaction score
436
It all depends on the course and the radar gun. In TXCTG's last testing in Waco, even in Auto mode the RL360c was able to detect the Falcon HR from 1.8 miles away.

True!
It varies as you noted and that is exactly my point in my reply to Darkmann which was primarily in response to the following statement about minimum detection distance (see red underlined part especially).
[Darkmann wrote] "Without getting too technical, whether AUTO or HIGHWAY, the RL360c will warn at least 1.5 miles to LEO. I think that's plenty of time to avoid LEO."[end quote].

Hope that clarifies. :)
 

Brainstorm69

TXCTG - 2016 MOTY
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 23, 2015
Messages
11,302
Reaction score
27,464
Location
Lone Star State
True!
It varies as you noted and that is exactly my point in my reply to Darkmann which was primarily in response to the following statement about minimum detection distance (see red underlined part especially).
[Darkmann wrote] "Without getting too technical, whether AUTO or HIGHWAY, the RL360c will warn at least 1.5 miles to LEO. I think that's plenty of time to avoid LEO."[end quote].

Hope that clarifies. :)
Sorry, I should have tried to get everything in context. I'd say at least 1.5 miles if it's a straight, flat highway. Start throwing in curves, hills, vegetation, etc., and as you mention, 1.5 miles certainly isn't guaranteed.
 

DrHow

Going “Plaid” ASAP (Tesla S) RDT refugee
Corgi Lovers
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 18, 2018
Messages
3,769
Reaction score
6,313
Vortex's recent K band tests for the RL360 in Auto mode show lower distances than "1.5 miles for"Auto or Highway" noted above. For instance, Auto mode distance on K band was only 764 feet in one test. Even Highway mode was under 1/2 mile in all his RL360c Red Barn tests with firmware version 1.3.
Per posts by others, this is why they are running theirs in Highway mode (if they have K band in their area). 764 feet is not enough warning for Constant On (CO), let alone the much trickier I/O where the only protection is hoping for long range alerts resulting from detection of other cars ahead being targeted by the LEO.

If Escort can make Auto mode sensitivity almost the same as Highway mode at highway speeds (e.g. 90% vs current ~66%) and also start Auto mode out at a reasonable sensitivity level at lower speeds (e.g. 50% at 25 MPH or 40% if people prefer, also just an example) and ramp up sensitivity proportionally from there as speed increases, then Auto mode might be a lot safer IMO...
Luckily Highway mode is pretty quiet. However, with K mode not used much in my area, a better Auto mode implementation / algorithm (as per my example above) might be nice since it could help balance the ability to detect real K alerts well with filtering out BSM even better than Highway mode (given reduced sensitivity of Auto mode at lower speeds).

Just my thoughts on it. :)
@Vortex was traveling at I remember around 45mph or less? Auto will reduce K at those speeds for sure on 360c, and looks like in test, on RL 360c. Maybe stepped down to far considering how good its BSM filtering. Plus, auto lockouts Catch the fixed false door openers.

driving at 45mph, normally in town, the reduced range is ok for me. If it helps make it even quieter. As indicated, maybe the RL could have lower Speed threshold before it turns up the sensitivity. Due to its top of class BSM filtering?
 
Last edited:

cruiser66

PSL +5
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 14, 2011
Messages
394
Reaction score
436
Sorry, I should have tried to get everything in context. I'd say at least 1.5 miles if it's a straight, flat highway. Start throwing in curves, hills, vegetation, etc., and as you mention, 1.5 miles certainly isn't guaranteed.
Agreed, right! :)
Post automatically merged:

@Vortex was traveling at I remember around 45mph or less? Auto will reduce K at those speeds for sure on 360c, and looks like in test, on RL 360c. Maybe stepped down to far considering how good its BSM filtering. Plus, auto lockouts Catch the fixed false door openers.

driving at 45mph, normally in town, the reduced range is ok for me. If it helps make it even quieter. As indicated, maybe the RL could have lower Speed threshold before it turns up the sensitivity. Due to its top of class BSM filtering?
Right, think it was 40 MPH even, so even lower sensitivity than at 45 MPH.
Agreed, I am all for reduced range if it makes it quieter, so long as (obviously) that is balanced with ensuring performance is not impacted so much that a real threat might be detected when it is too late, which would defeat the purpose of the detector of course.
Would be interested to see what Escort says about Auto Mode; have not seen any response to this (assuming we asked them about this in one of the threads here?).
 
Last edited:

Discord Server

Latest threads

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
89,171
Messages
1,356,437
Members
22,449
Latest member
Firecrafter
Top