First long distance trip cross 4 States with RL360C..... Joys with some questions

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Today, I took a 7 hours trip started from OH, traveling through PA, MD, then ended in DE. While trip itself is nothing new, for which I almost travel the same route every two weeks, but this were the first trip with RL360C.

For the baseline reference, I set my RL360c with auto sensitivity, and all the bands are turned on, includes K-notch on. Here were what I have experienced. BTW, I am no way by any means that have deep knowledges about radar detectors as many of members here. So please forgive me if I used any terms may not proper or even difficult to understand.

First of all, it is so quite! Specifically compare to R7 which I have used for the past trip, no BSM encountered whatsoever. I have even purposely followed several Honda and Acura, just nothing at all! At some point, I was starting worried if this is still working. In OH, I did got alert few times with construction zone display signs which I believe equipped with traffic information K band signals. I have also got alerted passing EZ-Pass toll both. However, what interesting is entire PA, MD, no alerts from EZ-Pass toll both, and more strangely, those construction zone speed indicators (where it showing your approaching speed compare the posted speed), did not even trigger the alerts. I clearly remembered my R7 usually get alert every single one of those, and even give false laser alerts at PA EZ-Pass toll both. So, I am wondering if whatever those in PA and MD might fall into the K-notch and been filtered out.... Just wondering if anyone else experienced the same.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get much of Ka experiences. For nearly 450 miles, I only saw one in OH, one in PA, and one in MD, all were sitting in the median without anything on. Must be taking the nap or something. King of odd that for one I was wishing to see more LEs on the road tracking speeds :) It must me my luck (or unlucky for that matter), today must be “National Speedy Free Day”, and nothing to report on Ka.

So, it was a really boring trip for the least without much of action. I did connect with Wi-Fi hotspot and do get few live radar warnings but all were near by and off the freeways.

For my return trip this coming Friday, I am thinking to set K-notch off, just to see if those speed sign and toll both would show up.

One off the topic subject, I like the magnetic suction cup mount, especially with rental car. But one thing that I thing Escort needs to improve for the mount, that is the adjustment. The current one that has the locking teeth that will click in place as you tilted mount based on windshield angle. However, I think the teeth needs to be more refined. For today’s trip, the adjustment just either slight up or down, just missing the level position. I finally settled a slight downward position, which got me thinking and want to ask all the experts here, in situation like that, do you should mount the detect slightly upper or down in referent of pointed direction?

Thanks in advance for all the comments and suggestions.
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Just one more thought, could those toll both and construction zone speed tracking radar sources are marked in EL data base as to “ignore”? That was why none of those triggered alerts...... Just a wild thought.
 
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Very nice report. In PA only the State Police can use radar and it is all K band. I have also surprisingly received no K band or Laser
EZ-Pass false in PA either. I got them repeatedly previously the EZ-Pass Laser false would blow me out of the seat no matter how prepared I was, what a relief.
 

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Run your detector on Highway mode as Auto mode has been tested to show it severely reduces K Band reception, thus the lack of many alerts.
This can leave you more vulnerable than on highway mode, which is exceptional range.
 

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Run your detector on Highway mode as Auto mode has been tested to show it severely reduces K Band reception, thus the lack of many alerts.
This can leave you more vulnerable than on highway mode, which is exceptional range.
Thanks for the suggestion. This is certainly another variable aspect to consider. However, was it true that Escort “Auto” mode meaning the sensitivities are adjusted on the fly as speed change, the significant reduction on sensitivities for both X and K will only occur when the speed is within general city driving speed? If I am driving more than 60 mph, I would hoping the “Auto” would have been equivalent as “Highway” sensitivity. Wondering if there is any specification on the sensitivity aspect from Escort, or anyone have those information.....
 

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Thanks for the suggestion. This is certainly another variable aspect to consider. However, was it true that Escort “Auto” mode meaning the sensitivities are adjusted on the fly as speed change, the significant reduction on sensitivities for both X and K will only occur when the speed is within general city driving speed? If I am driving more than 60 mph, I would hoping the “Auto” would have been equivalent as “Highway” sensitivity. Wondering if there is any specification on the sensitivity aspect from Escort, or anyone have those information.....
Auto mode reaches full sensitivity at 45 mph, which is far less than Highway mode sensitivity unfortunately.
Auto never gets up to Highway levels. More of a city setting.
You can find these results in a few if the recent tests here and at Vortex Radar.
 

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Auto mode reaches full sensitivity at 45 mph, which is far less than Highway mode sensitivity unfortunately.
Auto never gets up to Highway levels. More of a city setting.
You can find these results in a few if the recent tests here and at Vortex Radar.
Thanks for the info. Didn’t realize the limitation here. Will definitely try the Highway setting again.
 

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Look here, Auto mode never gets above about 66% the range of highway.
Every Escort I've ever had or seen operated this way.
 

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The new Max 3 Auto mode is a disaster at this time and needs a firmware update to fix it.
 

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The new Max 3 Auto mode is a disaster at this time and needs a firmware update to fix it.
Yep, the video Vortex showed where he got right up on the radar car...ouch. That would be a ticket. Escort has a second initial device that should have NEVER gone out the door like that. The firmware for that cannot get in those owners hands fast enough!!
 

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Thanks for the suggestion. This is certainly another variable aspect to consider. However, was it true that Escort “Auto” mode meaning the sensitivities are adjusted on the fly as speed change, the significant reduction on sensitivities for both X and K will only occur when the speed is within general city driving speed? If I am driving more than 60 mph, I would hoping the “Auto” would have been equivalent as “Highway” sensitivity. Wondering if there is any specification on the sensitivity aspect from Escort, or anyone have those information.....
Yes, according to phone engineer EL support, was indicated by 55-60 Auto was 100%.
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Look here, Auto mode never gets above about 66% the range of highway.
Every Escort I've ever had or seen operated this way.
Were they going sustained speeds over 60-65 mph for more than entire run? If memory serves me correct, I was told there is a several seconds delay to smooth out the translation for people speeds that change enough in traffic or lights.

DC, you really like Uniden. And do not run RL 360c. This one topic may be out of your direct knowledge.
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Thanks for the info. Didn’t realize the limitation here. Will definitely try the Highway setting again.
Be careful with folks, well meaning, connecting dots that don’t quite match up. I have been told by more than one actual ER engineer, Auto will not neuter range once speed has been exceeded. Remember, the variable way they do auto I believe has a patent. It is not just a simple notch once hitting a certain speed like other RD.. If I heard what they said correct. I also added comment on what I was assured by engineer how auto worked. AND, I use (and have used for long time) ER Max series of various models in auto. Never a ticket. Never seen any neutering of K range at consistent highway speeds while in auto. Sure, 45 mph interstate construction zones is like running in a city. Auto lowers the K band somewhat at that speed. If road jam on highway in auto where traffic runs at a crawl, K band is cut back further. And who cares? On interstate, traveling at those speeds not a potential ticket issue.

As FYI, I am not a ER kool-aid drinker. Lately been running mostly G2s. Over weekend had 5 hours on one of the 360c. It did great. Quiet, and yet picked up actual K band and Ka over two states. Two I/O, with plenty of notice. I also run R7/R3 family. I do not have RL 360c, yet. I suggest you do not get discouraged or sent off by others on potential rabbit trails.
 
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Yes, according to phone engineer EL support, was indicated by 55-60 Auto was 100%.
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Were they going sustained speeds over 60-65 mph for more than entire run? If memory serves me correct, I was told there is a several seconds delay to smooth out the translation for people speeds that change enough in traffic or lights.

DC, you really like Uniden. And do not run RL 360c. This one topic may be out of your direct knowledge.
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Be careful with folks, well meaning, connecting dots that don’t quite match up. I have been told by more than one actual ER engineer, Auto will not neuter range once speed has been exceeded. Remember, the variable way they do auto I believe has a patent. It is not just a simple notch once hitting a certain speed like other RD.. If I heard what they said correct. I also added comment on what I was assured by engineer how auto worked. AND, I use (and have used for long time) ER Max series of various models in auto. Never a ticket. Never seen any neutering of K range at consistent highway speeds while in auto. Sure, 45 mph interstate construction zones is like running in a city. Auto lowers the K band somewhat at that speed. If road jam on highway in auto where traffic runs at a crawl, K band is cut back further. And who cares? On interstate, traveling at those speeds not a potential ticket issue.

As FYI, I am not a ER kool-aid drinker. Lately been running mostly G2s. Over weekend had 5 hours on one of the 360c. It did great. Quiet, and yet picked up actual K band and Ka over two states. Two I/O, with plenty of notice. I also run R7/R3 family. I do not have RL 360c, yet. I suggest you do not get discouraged or sent off by others on potential rabbit trails.
Well I have been an Escort cool-aid drinker for more than a dozen years, and would have another one when it shows they are at the top of the game and are cost comparable.
I've tested multiple Escort detectors, Max series too and each and every one of them respond the same way on auto.
After 45 mph they don't get stronger no matter how long you stay above that, or 60 mph
I've never seen auto mode increase more than 60 to 70% of highway range
Escorts own patent information shows Auto mode is at full effect at 45 mph.
I'm sure the TXCMG and @Brainstorm69 knows what they are doing and reading their test I don't believe your discounting results based on word of mouth of a nameless person on a phone line to Escort voids multiple test results of actual product. After all, Escort has been so open and forth coming with how their patented programming works. (Note the sarcasm this last sentence)

Have you performed testing to verify what you are saying?
Auto mode is a feature to quiet down the detector. Nothing wrong with what it's doing.
Users should be aware of it's effects so they could make the judgement as to wether Auto mode or Highway made are required for their particular drive that day.
If Auto mode went to 100% of highway at highway speeds, there would be no need for a button to select Highway mode.
There would be no way to reduce K Band sensitivity from Highway mode levels at 60+ at all, so BSM and stationary signals would always be received with a highway sensitivity, increasing false alerts. (Which R360c seems to handle very well at even on Highway)
Try it out yourself. Auto mode will be quieter and slightly reduced range on Auto mode regardless at speed or time at speed.
Nothing's wrong, it's a feature. It's not a mystery algorithm fooling everyone.
 
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@DC Fluid and @DrHow have both presented strong knowledge and strong points from different point of view. Personally speaking, both are important and valid. All of those make the each individual settings and fit the specific driving experiences. I will certainly try various configuration to continue learning and gaining knowledge with detectors. Thanks for all the detailed explanation.
 

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FWIW, in the Redline 360c manual Escort changed it a bit and they DO NOT say Auto increases sensitivity to 100% at highway speeds - it says " Auto – Reduces X and K band sensitivity based on the speed of the vehicle". I ALWAYS run HWY so I to make sure it is on high alert. The filtering of the RL 360c along with not needing X band has this thing very quiet. Yes, I do get a few BSM's that punch through but that's just ensuring me that this thing is on and working. With all the tech in cars today and only increasing I don't think you'll ever have a manufacturer come out with a 100% quiet detector.
 

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Today, I took a 7 hours trip started from OH, traveling through PA, MD, then ended in DE. While trip itself is nothing new, for which I almost travel the same route every two weeks, but this were the first trip with RL360C.

For the baseline reference, I set my RL360c with auto sensitivity, and all the bands are turned on, includes K-notch on. Here were what I have experienced. BTW, I am no way by any means that have deep knowledges about radar detectors as many of members here. So please forgive me if I used any terms may not proper or even difficult to understand.

First of all, it is so quite! Specifically compare to R7 which I have used for the past trip, no BSM encountered whatsoever. I have even purposely followed several Honda and Acura, just nothing at all! At some point, I was starting worried if this is still working. In OH, I did got alert few times with construction zone display signs which I believe equipped with traffic information K band signals. I have also got alerted passing EZ-Pass toll both. However, what interesting is entire PA, MD, no alerts from EZ-Pass toll both, and more strangely, those construction zone speed indicators (where it showing your approaching speed compare the posted speed), did not even trigger the alerts. I clearly remembered my R7 usually get alert every single one of those, and even give false laser alerts at PA EZ-Pass toll both. So, I am wondering if whatever those in PA and MD might fall into the K-notch and been filtered out.... Just wondering if anyone else experienced the same.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get much of Ka experiences. For nearly 450 miles, I only saw one in OH, one in PA, and one in MD, all were sitting in the median without anything on. Must be taking the nap or something. King of odd that for one I was wishing to see more LEs on the road tracking speeds :) It must me my luck (or unlucky for that matter), today must be “National Speedy Free Day”, and nothing to report on Ka.

So, it was a really boring trip for the least without much of action. I did connect with Wi-Fi hotspot and do get few live radar warnings but all were near by and off the freeways.

For my return trip this coming Friday, I am thinking to set K-notch off, just to see if those speed sign and toll both would show up.

One off the topic subject, I like the magnetic suction cup mount, especially with rental car. But one thing that I thing Escort needs to improve for the mount, that is the adjustment. The current one that has the locking teeth that will click in place as you tilted mount based on windshield angle. However, I think the teeth needs to be more refined. For today’s trip, the adjustment just either slight up or down, just missing the level position. I finally settled a slight downward position, which got me thinking and want to ask all the experts here, in situation like that, do you should mount the detect slightly upper or down in referent of pointed direction?

Thanks in advance for all the comments and suggestions.
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Just one more thought, could those toll both and construction zone speed tracking radar sources are marked in EL data base as to “ignore”? That was why none of those triggered alerts...... Just a wild thought.

In my neck of the woods in pa. All the construction zone, traffic speed signs, and newly installed information signs are either k-band 24.150 or ka-band 34.7

PSP run only K-band. They LOVE to ambush with low powered K-band and they are very good at it. So I would run K-band as open as you can handle it. As far as not seeing any troopers, its been eerily quite the last couple months. Usually I would see 2-3 in a day on my way to and from work or running to projects. Lately, none!!! I see them drive by (no rolling radar allowed here either) but not one sitting anywhere. Dont know why.
 

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Ordered my Redline 360C Friday afternoon and it's on the FedEx truck now for delivery. Reading the preferred settings by Vortex he recommended Auto over Highway. Guessing it was because he noticed the 360C displayed an incorrect number of signals at close range. Said it only happened in Highway mode. Didn't happen in Auto. Supposed to be corrected in a future firmware update.

Is Highway still the best setting if I do mostly city suburban driving with little actual freeway?

Auto mode reaches full sensitivity at 45 mph, which is far less than Highway mode sensitivity unfortunately.
Auto never gets up to Highway levels. More of a city setting.
You can find these results in a few if the recent tests here and at Vortex Radar.
 

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Ordered my Redline 360C Friday afternoon and it's on the FedEx truck now for delivery. Reading the preferred settings by Vortex he recommended Auto over Highway. Guessing it was because he noticed the 360C displayed an incorrect number of signals at close range. Said it only happened in Highway mode. Didn't happen in Auto. Supposed to be corrected in a future firmware update.

I prefer Auto Mode because I like the extra filtering that it gives (such as in shopping centers). It doesn't have the same impact to range that the Max 3 does so it's definitely usable in practice. If you want maximum range at all times though, Highway Mode is perfect for that.

That's really the main stuff to look at when choosing your sensitivity levels, not so much the overdriving stuff.
 

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Ordered my Redline 360C Friday afternoon and it's on the FedEx truck now for delivery. Reading the preferred settings by Vortex he recommended Auto over Highway. Guessing it was because he noticed the 360C displayed an incorrect number of signals at close range. Said it only happened in Highway mode. Didn't happen in Auto. Supposed to be corrected in a future firmware update.

Is Highway still the best setting if I do mostly city suburban driving with little actual freeway?
Auto mode is excellent in city use.
Highway mode gives the benefits of more sensitivity for higher speeds and open road where K band is actively used.
What Vortex said sums it up.
 

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Look here, Auto mode never gets above about 66% the range of highway.
Every Escort I've ever had or seen operated this way.

Ironically Escort did state, even with older detectors such as the 9500ix and later models e.g., that around 50 MPH (IIRC), Auto mode sensitivity was supposed to be at (or at least very close to) Highway sensitivity) and not only 66%.
If I have a little time, I am going to search for old posts on ERF where this was noted by Larry years ago. Too bad that functionality implementation is different from what was stated.

Auto mode sensitivity being fully proportional with vehicle speed, including reaching the same level of Highway sensitivity at Highway speeds, is my main wish for the upcoming R360c firmware, along with addressing the Auto lockouts behavior posted (unexpectedly locking out a LEO in one scenario posted here recently where no prior lockout existed IIRC).
As a bonus, any further tweaking if BSM filtering, if possible, would be nice, even though it is already my quietest detector even on Highway mode (based on 4 drives with it).

Just to be clear (since I did point out 2 'issues' above), overall I am really happy with my R360c so far (as noted in another thread) and plan to run it as my detector of choice.
 

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Auto mode is excellent in city use.
Highway mode gives the benefits of more sensitivity for higher speeds and open road where K band is actively used.
What Vortex said sums it up.
I concur.....highway mode with RL 360 I still find very quiet in comparison to the R7. Auto mode does make me a little more nervous on the open road. I prefer to set and forget so highway mode is what I have been running.
 

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