No PSL on Redline 360C

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Holy crap. Another failed "Cedar" technology.

I'm Glad my car reads the speed limit sings on the side of the road and displays the PSL in the dash cluster. No "Con nection" necessary. :rolleyes:

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The problem is Escort not AT&T. If you look on the Spec page you will see that the Wi-Fi protocol is 802.11 b/g. This protocol is 2003 technology. The latest in car hotspots run either 802.11n or 802.11p which has speeds peeking around 5.8Ghz. I have connected 9 different devices to my 2020 GM vehicle and the only thing that wont connect is the radar detector.
Hey KingVictor501 - we have been chatting via your thread at the Escort site. With forum messaging it is a little easier here to communicate. If you want to compare any other settings, drop me a line here. I think one of the above posters here may be spot on with the proxy config stuff that some in vehicle wifi providers do.

I have not looked at the tp-link travel router, but it may offer a vpn capability to get around that. I will take a look tomorrow. (My family would freak if they found me in the garage at 2am looking at settings.)
 

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As I have encountered and noticed, no PSL display could also be related on board GPS malfunction. If GPS could not lock on properly, it have no way to reference the EL data to determine the actual road and location that you were traveling on. I just send in one for replacement for GPS problem.
 

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As I have encountered and noticed, no PSL display could also be related on board GPS malfunction. If GPS could not lock on properly, it have no way to reference the EL data to determine the actual road and location that you were traveling on. I just send in one for replacement for GPS problem.
That is a very sound point. Wonder if it is either the units that are bad or perhaps something in the vehicle blocking the GPS signal? It is a very weak signal for GPS right?
 

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That is a very sound point. Wonder if it is either the units that are bad or perhaps something in the vehicle blocking the GPS signal? It is a very weak signal for GPS right?
I am in same vehicle under same mounting point. That one just got lost tracking. Once every so often it locks, but won’t be long before it lost again. My other one is solid! Now I am waiting for the replacement.
 

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I am in same vehicle under same mounting point. That one just got lost tracking. Once every so often it locks, but won’t be long before it lost again. My other one is solid! Now I am waiting for the replacement.

Glad to hear that you’re being taken care of by Escort. 👍
 

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Glad to hear that you’re being taken care of by Escort. 👍
Yep, Escort has taken good care of these situations. I also got off to a rough start with the R360c, but Escort hung tough with it and got it handled.
 

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Hey KingVictor501 - we have been chatting via your thread at the Escort site. With forum messaging it is a little easier here to communicate. If you want to compare any other settings, drop me a line here. I think one of the above posters here may be spot on with the proxy config stuff that some in vehicle wifi providers do.

I have not looked at the tp-link travel router, but it may offer a vpn capability to get around that. I will take a look tomorrow. (My family would freak if they found me in the garage at 2am looking at settings.)
I have a client in the technology business and they let me talk to their engineers and said that the detector should be able to intelligently switch between 2.4g and 5g if it was built this year. The car wifi has both bands combined just like I have at home and all my devices choose the proper band. Apparently the detector isn't smart enough to do that. The plot thickens...lol
 

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I have a client in the technology business and they let me talk to their engineers and said that the detector should be able to intelligently switch between 2.4g and 5g if it was built this year. The car wifi has both bands combined just like I have at home and all my devices choose the proper band. Apparently the detector isn't smart enough to do that. The plot thickens...lol
Escort has indicated many times that their RD's only function on 2.4g. Your client would be correct if the wifi chipset were engineered as 2.4g/5g.....but it is not. Why they have not upgraded their chipset is a head-scratcher, but that is what Escort has engineered and is currently selling
 

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Yep, and I dont see a detector in a car as needing better than 2.4 since it does not need crazy bandwidth. What breaks this is when car hotspot manufacturers only do a 5Ghz hotspot for the in car system. I agree, Escort is slow rolling certain tech choices. The usb interface and the wifi chipset being two of them.
 

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Yep, and I dont see a detector in a car as needing better than 2.4 since it does not need crazy bandwidth. What breaks this is when car hotspot manufacturers only do a 5Ghz hotspot for the in car system. I agree, Escort is slow rolling certain tech choices. The usb interface and the wifi chipset being two of them.
I was informed because 802.11p is very fast and short range as in won't work 10ft from the vehicle which makes sense given all the connected cars that are around and possibility of interference. It's damn near 6Ghz. Also the the auto manufactures say on their sites "may not work with devices older than 2006."

If escort said detector may not work with newer vehicle WiFi protocol then of course I would not have purchased unless the escort app wasn't such a pain. It drained my battery completely a few times because I forgot to force stop the app.

I'm still doing fine with my old verizon hotspot so no complaints. I bet radenso is reading these mistakes so they don't make them with Theia which is probably why it's taking so long to be released.
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Escort has indicated many times that their RD's only function on 2.4g. Your client would be correct if the wifi chipset were engineered as 2.4g/5g.....but it is not. Why they have not upgraded their chipset is a head-scratcher, but that is what Escort has engineered and is currently selling
2.4Ghz b/g is what the detector uses. The WiFi protocol 802.11b came out late 90's and 802.11g came out early 2000's but both are still extremely common. Most modern router's wifi protocol run n/ac/ax. Although normally n can coexist with b/g because they were made for mobile, the newer vehicles running 802.11p cannot coexist with the detector only being b and g and if they are connected it can potentially slow down the 802.11p.

So those with travel routers that are able to get the detector to connect MIGHT (don't quote it's a guess) have cars older than 2018 and/or without OnStar which always uses state of the art equipment with each new vehicle year. So us newer GM owners are a small percentage with this issue and are just assed out for a while.

Im GUESSING ( and am by no means an expert at all) if the detector's wifi protocol was 802.11a/b/g/n/ac, (like my Pixel 5) and of course had the ability to intelligently connect to a compatible protocolthen it would work with newer vehicle's built in hotspots particularly GM vehicles equipped with OnStar and on board hotspot.
 
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I was informed because 802.11p is very fast and short range as in won't work 10ft from the vehicle which makes sense given all the connected cars that are around and possibility of interference. It's damn near 6Ghz. Also the the auto manufactures say on their sites "may not work with devices older than 2006."

If escort said detector may not work with newer vehicle WiFi protocol then of course I would not have purchased unless the escort app wasn't such a pain. It drained my battery completely a few times because I forgot to force stop the app.

I'm still doing fine with my old verizon hotspot so no complaints. I bet radenso is reading these mistakes so they don't make them with Theia which is probably why it's taking so long to be released.
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2.4Ghz b/g is what the detector uses. The WiFi protocol 802.11b came out late 90's and 802.11g came out early 2000's but both are still extremely common. Most modern router's wifi protocol run n/ac/ax. Although normally n can coexist with b/g because they were made for mobile, the newer vehicles running 802.11p cannot coexist with the detector only being b and g and if they are connected it can potentially slow down the 802.11p.

So those with travel routers that are able to get the detector to connect MIGHT (don't quote it's a guess) have cars older than 2018 and/or without OnStar which always uses state of the art equipment with each new vehicle year. So us newer GM owners are a small percentage with this issue and are just assed out for a while.

Im GUESSING ( and am by no means an expert at all) if the detector's wifi protocol was 802.11a/b/g/n/ac, (like my Pixel 5) and of course had the ability to intelligently connect to a compatible protocolthen it would work with newer vehicle's built in hotspots particularly GM vehicles equipped with OnStar and on board hotspot.
Yes, good points. I think you have swung me around to seeing that it is long overdue that any in-car wifi be better than b/g. 2.4Ghz b/g is pretty darn "legacy".
 

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