RL360c 1st Impressions

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I received my RL360c last week (v1.3) ....when I was not here, but that is just the way it goes. Unboxed it and have been using/playing with it over the last 24 hours. Visually/physically/aesthetically this is by far my favorite RD. EL was easy to pair and quick to adjust my personal pref settings.

It does seem to false to BSM's a bit more than my M360 and the G2 though in just over the last 24 hours, they are typically weaker alerts, but still there.

Not enough seat time to give an accurate performance feel yet, but then again that is what the testing section is for so most of you know what to expect.

That being said, I am not impressed with the reactivity of this unit though. It is sluggish to react to K and Ka band IMO. I powered on each unit (M360/RL360c) independently and did a number of trigger pulls and it took a bit long duration pulls for the RL360c to alert vs the M360. After I got comfortable with knowing/feeling out the duration I fired up the RL360c then the M360 and hit them both running together (obviously not advisable to normally run this way) and they both reacted as they normally would independently allowing you to see the difference in reactivity....

Here is my K-band 'test'

Here is my Ka-band 'test'

M360 settings - Highway, TSR Off
RL360c settings - Highway, TSR Off, K - all segs on, Ka - 2,4,5,6,8
Both units had the MRCD/T off as well as all auto lockouts & GPS filters disabled.

K-band gun - Bushnell
Ka-band gun - ATR

Both guns were pointed sideways out the window 90 degrees to the RD's to prevent any overdriving.

The latch time on the RL360c is also longer than the M360, just an observation. Also with both units in Spec FR1 I noticed that the M360 was more accurate at displaying the threat strength on the graphs. You can see the M360 will show signals on both the front and rear where the RL360c will only show it on the front or the rear, almost like it is in Spec FR2. It seem to purposely ignore displaying the weaker signal on the opposite horn until it get stronger, where the M360 does it without a problem. This was the case in a few various locations I tried along with having them run independently.

Escort said this unit has 25x more processing power - if that is the case why does the 'old' M360 react quicker and more accurately? I know this is a new product and I would love to see them speed up the reaction time. I would love to replace my M360 with this unit, but I am not 100% sold on doing that just yet.
 

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I received my RL360c last week (v1.3) ....when I was not here, but that is just the way it goes. Unboxed it and have been using/playing with it over the last 24 hours. Visually/physically/aesthetically this is by far my favorite RD. EL was easy to pair and quick to adjust my personal pref settings.

It does seem to false to BSM's a bit more than my M360 and the G2 though in just over the last 24 hours, they are typically weaker alerts, but still there.

Not enough seat time to give an accurate performance feel yet, but then again that is what the testing section is for so most of you know what to expect.

That being said, I am not impressed with the reactivity of this unit though. It is sluggish to react to K and Ka band IMO. I powered on each unit (M360/RL360c) independently and did a number of trigger pulls and it took a bit long duration pulls for the RL360c to alert vs the M360. After I got comfortable with knowing/feeling out the duration I fired up the RL360c then the M360 and hit them both running together (obviously not advisable to normally run this way) and they both reacted as they normally would independently allowing you to see the difference in reactivity....

Here is my K-band 'test'

Here is my Ka-band 'test'

M360 settings - Highway, TSR Off
RL360c settings - Highway, TSR Off, K - all segs on, Ka - 2,4,5,6,8
Both units had the MRCD/T off as well as all auto lockouts & GPS filters disabled.

K-band gun - Bushnell
Ka-band gun - ATR

Both guns were pointed sideways out the window 90 degrees to the RD's to prevent any overdriving.

The latch time on the RL360c is also longer than the M360, just an observation. Also with both units in Spec FR1 I noticed that the M360 was more accurate at displaying the threat strength on the graphs. You can see the M360 will show signals on both the front and rear where the RL360c will only show it on the front or the rear, almost like it is in Spec FR2. It seem to purposely ignore displaying the weaker signal on the opposite horn until it get stronger, where the M360 does it without a problem. This was the case in a few various locations I tried along with having them run independently.

Escort said this unit has 25x more processing power - if that is the case why does the 'old' M360 react quicker and more accurately? I know this is a new product and I would love to see them speed up the reaction time. I would love to replace my M360 with this unit, but I am not 100% sold on doing that just yet.
Good video. If we are doing a comparison between the two, why not have them set up the same. It seems like you have M360c running on Wide, while R360c is segmented. Would like to see your results on comparable setup. Again, thanks for giving us your time with this informative video.
 

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Escort said this unit has 25x more processing power - if that is the case why does the 'old' M360 react quicker and more accurately?

Twenty five times more processing power than its predecessor the Redline EX which was part analog vs the all digital M360.
And that brings up another asked but unanswered question, if on the M360 segmentation did not matter for performance due to its processing power (sweeps still occurred they just did not alert when segmented) then why was Redline 360c in firmware 1.3 defaulted from Ka Wide to Ka Narrows (2,5,8) "to improve response time"?
 
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Twenty five times more processing power than its predecessor the Redline EX which was part analog vs the all digital M360.
And that brings up another asked but unanswered question, if on the M360 segmentation did not matter for performance due to its processing power (sweeps still occurred they just did not alert when segmented) then why was Redline 360c in firmware 1.3 defaulted from Ka Wide to Ka Narrows (2,5,8) "to improve response time"?
Good question. Maybe the fantastic testers on RDF can explore this. Would like to know any difference in, to seg or not to seg?
 

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Good question. Maybe the fantastic testers on RDF can explore this. Would like to know any difference in, to seg or not to seg?
Interesting results posted by Vortex below on Ka Wide vs Ka Narrows tests at Red Barn. Based upon those results (that vary by frequency) the question becomes, does segmenting Ka have any affect on the other bands or otherwise affect performance of the RD. That question was also asked but is not yet answered. I think we are just looking to understand how these settings can be expected impact the results.
 

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to my understanding it was proven that on a true digital unit its not necessary to segment at all.
This question was once asked here with that being the answer. Would be nice to have updated information on that if possible.
 

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Now I'm curious to turn everything off, K & all Ka, except seg 5, to see if it can hang with the M360 later. I'll do the reverse and seg K to just the Bushnell frequency and turn off Ka to see if it makes a difference. I'll test separate first to see if I notice a difference.
 

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My initial reactivity test with 1.3 was also poor - sometimes worse than your videos on Ka Actually. Once I reloaded the firmware and gave it some time it seems to alert ok now - not as good as the V1G2 but more acceptable and somewhere close to Vortex's test on 1.3. I was using Stalker ATR.

I'll see if I can grab my M360 from my neighbor or use the GT 360 and hit them both at once like you did, nit sure when I will have time for that.
 

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Confirmed. Turned off all but seg 5 as mentioned above. RL360c smoked the M360. M360 would not alert but the RL360 would, opposite of before. Tried the same for K band. M360 still one every time, however the RL360c reaction was quicker. Definitely a difference, behaving very analog, not digital like the Max series. Just wanted to post a quick note from the phone. Will upload the videos in an hour with more details.
 

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Confirmed. Turned off all but seg 5 as mentioned above. RL360c smoked the M360. M360 would not alert but the RL360 would, opposite of before. Tried the same for K band. M360 still one every time, however the RL360c reaction was quicker. Definitely a difference, behaving very analog, not digital like the Max series. Just wanted to post a quick note from the phone. Will upload the videos in an hour with more details.
Interesting. I would love to see the reaction with 2, 5, 8 compared to M360.

-Mark
 

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Here is an updated test (ran the RL360c independently to get a feel of the speed/reactivity before running both together).

RL360c - highway - everything off except Ka seg 5
M360 - highway - TSF off
In the prior test the M360 would alert but not the RL360, now it is the opposite. I did a longer pull to show both alerting in the middle.

RL360c - highway - everything off except K seg 2
M360 - highway -TSF off
I figured if the RL360c only had to scan one tiny K band seg it would beat the M360, just like it did with the Ka test above, but nope, still slower - but it was noticeably quicker to react set this way, just not fast enough! (both reacted to longer pulls)
 

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but segmenting make no difference anymore (in purple) :rolleyes:

What is the difference between this and Vortex's tests? Are they showing us relatively the same thing or should more testing be done?

Is this acceptable to use in the wild?
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So for S's & G's I loaded the RL360c with everything possible active for detection.....restarted it.....ran it alone.....hit it with both K and Ka separately.....I would love someone else to do this as well because the response time was not good at all.....but I would really want another person to do this to validate my results. I did the same to the M360, it was slower, but not as much at the RL360c was at all.

@BagNDrag I set the RL360c to 2,5,8 with K-band active - with the ATR it was about dead even I would say. It was a 50/50 which would alert and just a hair bit longer pulls would get them both to alert. Once 4/6 were active the M360 won every time.
 

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Just stick with what you got hanging from your Blendmount. You don’t need anything else IMO! 😉
 

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Just stick with what you got hanging from your Blendmount. You don’t need anything else IMO! 😉

It really is a great RD, just wish the ramp up was a bit more 'intense'. Hopefully that will be adjusted or an option added. The reaction speed of that unit to Ka is just mind blowing. I swear it can sense my finger muscle tense when I pull the trigger and alerts. It is fun to 'play' and explore the features of each though. A MaxRL360c would have perfect.
 

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So for S's & G's I loaded the RL360c with everything possible active for detection.....restarted it.....ran it alone.....hit it with both K and Ka separately.....I would love someone else to do this as well because the response time was not good at all.....but I would really want another person to do this to validate my results. I did the same to the M360, it was slower, but not as much at the RL360c was at all.

@BagNDrag I set the RL360c to 2,5,8 with K-band active - with the ATR it was about dead even I would say. It was a 50/50 which would alert and just a hair bit longer pulls would get them both to alert. Once 4/6 were active the M360 won every time.
Thanks for doing that Westwind! Much appreciated!
 

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So do you think when it is segmented it is turning off some sort of filtering on KA Band? Almost like RDR?

I really don't get it, but I have always felt there is some kind of filtering going on , on KA. They really need to get filtering off KA Band especially around the 2/5/8 segs. But if I am interpreting this right, you're saying that is precisely what is happenign when you segment the Redline 360... right?
 

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So for S's & G's I loaded the RL360c with everything possible active for detection.....restarted it.....ran it alone.....hit it with both K and Ka separately.....I would love someone else to do this as well because the response time was not good at all.....but I would really want another person to do this to validate my results. I did the same to the M360, it was slower, but not as much at the RL360c was at all.

@BagNDrag I set the RL360c to 2,5,8 with K-band active - with the ATR it was about dead even I would say. It was a 50/50 which would alert and just a hair bit longer pulls would get them both to alert. Once 4/6 were active the M360 won every time.
Too bad the legacy (older) engineers did not take the best of the Max 360 platform, and add RL RF section. Keep the speed (called “digital” by ER), and better RF of the RL 360c. Maybe, just maybe, the best of all their development. Today, we cannot rely only on “2-5-8” anymore for serious travelers. Plus the faster K reaction on the M360 “DSP digital“. Yet, you say that the Max360 is bit better on BSM than the RL 360c. Again, EL missed the boat by not truly combining RL RF section with LNA, to “digital“ back end of the Max?
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Just stick with what you got hanging from your Blendmount. You don’t need anything else IMO! 😉
Agree...
 

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So do you think when it is segmented it is turning off some sort of filtering on KA Band? Almost like RDR?

I really don't get it, but I have always felt there is some kind of filtering going on , on KA. They really need to get filtering off KA Band especially around the 2/5/8 segs. But if I am interpreting this right, you're saying that is precisely what is happenign when you segment the Redline 360... right?

Not at all, just seems to be scanning/looking at less frequency range(s) - just like the RL-O when it was able to be segmented. The less it has to look at the faster it will find it. The more you give it to look at/sort through the slower it will be. With just Seg 5 on it is very quick to react, no signs of any Ka filtering happening (however, with only one small range to look into it is possible the unit can find/process/filter/alert that quickly).

As we all know Escort units can reacted oddly to Bushnell guns, even from their own admission talking about them being filtered out. I would be curious to see someone use a Falcon HR to see how quickly it reacts.

I have also noticed my unit 'ghosting', something my M360 does not. A local K-band trailer speed sign, will register 3 or 4 signals, even from a distance. I made the run with my M360 as well and it was just the one frequency. This morning I ran into a local running 24.149 and as soon as it got over 2 bars it was showing 3 on the bogey counter, with no other vehicles or door openers in the area (they don't run front/rear locally). At least it does not frequency hop when this happens and stays locked onto the main signal.
 

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Not at all, just seems to be scanning/looking at less frequency range(s) - just like the RL-O when it was able to be segmented. The less it has to look at the faster it will find it. The more you give it to look at/sort through the slower it will be. With just Seg 5 on it is very quick to react, no signs of any Ka filtering happening (however, with only one small range to look into it is possible the unit can find/process/filter/alert that quickly).

As we all know Escort units can reacted oddly to Bushnell guns, even from their own admission talking about them being filtered out. I would be curious to see someone use a Falcon HR to see how quickly it reacts.

I have also noticed my unit 'ghosting', something my M360 does not. A local K-band trailer speed sign, will register 3 or 4 signals, even from a distance. I made the run with my M360 as well and it was just the one frequency. This morning I ran into a local running 24.149 and as soon as it got over 2 bars it was showing 3 on the bogey counter, with no other vehicles or door openers in the area (they don't run front/rear locally). At least it does not frequency hop when this happens and stays locked onto the main signal.
I have definitely seen some ghosting in testing.
 

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