Possibility of using Stinger Heads with ALP CPU?

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I don’t know if this is possible. But, has anyone ever paired the ALP CPU with the Stinger transmitter and receiver heads? I was wondering if the ALP cpu is just looking for a signal from the heads and therefore it might be able to use the Stingers smaller fibre optic heads?
 

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Not gonna work, they are two totally different hardware/firmware pieces
 

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No, don't try it. You could cause hardware damage. The two systems are not compatible with each other.
 

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As one of the few people on the forum that owns both systems;
Wishful thinking, but not gonna work, entirely incompatible.
 

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These responses are disappointing. Saying they are incompatible seems a bit simplistic. At the basic level, we're talking about fairly basic components.

I would imagine that if you were to break down an ALP head you may be able to "map" the transmitter and receiver components to the stingers individual components.

Having said that, even if you were able to do that, and there was compatible voltage/amperage and resistance, you would likely lose sensitivity. As i understand it, the ALP has more than one receiver on each head, giving it a better chance to catch a signal where the stinger may miss it.

Now, all my theory aside. If you really wanted to do this, you could just run fibers to the individual components in the ALP head yourself. Unfortunately, fiber likely already presents additional engineering conundrums, which guarantee reduced capability. Maybe that's acceptable to you though for stealth. For me, fibers were never worth it.
 
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Not gonna work, they are two totally different hardware/firmware pieces
Thank you
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As one of the few people on the forum that owns both systems;
Wishful thinking, but not gonna work, entirely incompatible.
Thanks... Good to know.
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No, don't try it. You could cause hardware damage. The two systems are not compatible with each other.
OK... Thanks for sharing
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These responses are disappointing. Saying they are incompatible seems a bit simplistic. At the basic level, we're talking about fairly basic components.

I would imagine that if you were to break down an ALP head you may be able to "map" the transmitter and receiver components to the stingers individual components.

Having said that, even if you were able to do that, and there was compatible voltage/amperage and resistance, you would likely lose sensitivity. As i understand it, the ALP has more than one receiver on each head, giving it a better chance to catch a signal where the stinger may miss it.

Now, all my theory aside. If you really wanted to do this, you could just run fibers to the individual components in the ALP head yourself. Unfortunately, fiber likely already presents additional engineering conundrums, which guarantee reduced capability. Maybe that's acceptable to you though for stealth. For me, fibers were never worth it.
Very interesting. Good theory, but, I think I’ll take everyone advice. Maybe I send a suggestion to ALP to offer alternate smaller transmitter and receiver heads for better stealth installations. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
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Very interesting. Good theory, but, I think I’ll take everyone advice. Maybe I send a suggestion to ALP to offer alternate smaller transmitter and receiver heads for better stealth installations. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
No arguments from me!

It would be great to see ALP take make some inroads into Stinger's stealth market. Cheers!
 

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These responses are disappointing. Saying they are incompatible seems a bit simplistic. At the basic level, we're talking about fairly basic components.

I would imagine that if you were to break down an ALP head you may be able to "map" the transmitter and receiver components to the stingers individual components.

Having said that, even if you were able to do that, and there was compatible voltage/amperage and resistance, you would likely lose sensitivity. As i understand it, the ALP has more than one receiver on each head, giving it a better chance to catch a signal where the stinger may miss it.

Now, all my theory aside. If you really wanted to do this, you could just run fibers to the individual components in the ALP head yourself. Unfortunately, fiber likely already presents additional engineering conundrums, which guarantee reduced capability. Maybe that's acceptable to you though for stealth. For me, fibers were never worth it.
The ALP head has 4 receiver diodes and one transmitter diode.

I actually looked into converting an ALP head to use fibers a while ago. IIRC there was a loss of ~10% sensitivity or something like that.

I've been wanting to get my hands on some stinger fiber heads to take apart and see what exactly they are using. Then try and source the same/similar fiber transmitters/receivers and create a frankenstein head lol.
 

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The ALP head has 4 receiver diodes and one transmitter diode.

I actually looked into converting an ALP head to use fibers a while ago. IIRC there was a loss of ~10% sensitivity or something like that.

I've been wanting to get my hands on some stinger fiber heads to take apart and see what exactly they are using. Then try and source the same/similar fiber transmitters/receivers and create a frankenstein head lol.
Now here we go! That's the kind of ingenuity i love seeing here.
At the end of the day, the ALP is an impressive machine. Maybe 10% is acceptable for the stealth and appearance of a true stealth integration.
I also never understood why they didn't offer fiber receivers. It seems like you could speck like 20 fibers all around your grill/trunk and just own any lidar shot all over the vehicle. Even with reduced sensitivity, i'd think the surface-area coverage would dominate at JTG distances.

Sadly i'm no source for stinger fibers. I've run my stingers on a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Ram. No F***s given about appearance., lmao.
You ought to be able to find someone here interested in selling some stinger s**t, especially since the radar is still garbage. Incidentally, the fibers were only a few hundred. The whole lidar package was pretty competitive, really, if you separated it from the radar which was insanely expensive. [Yes, i'm insane, get over it]
 
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I also never understood why they didn't offer fiber receivers.
I remember seeing a patent filing somewhere for fiber that Stinger seems to be licensing.
 

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I remember seeing a patent filing somewhere for fiber that Stinger seems to be licensing.
*sadpandaface* That's so damn vague a concept!
Balls! Well, Okay, in 10 more years....

Oh, and i was also referring to Stinger. LOL They always offered fiber TX, not RX. That made me deem it essentially worthless. Tiny TX but "giant" RX receiver. They're even more conspicuous due to their round shape.
But yeah, ALP too!
 
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I remember seeing a patent filing somewhere for fiber that Stinger seems to be licensing.
Beat me to it ... smile.

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Now if Stinger would license the Theia brain to use with their antenna, they could probably save their entire radar system and actually be performance competitive.

They have been more busy as of late producing information videos and such though I've not seen much other activity or signs of any real new innovation as usual.

ALP has a lot of potential on the hardware front but I'm not sure how motivated they are to complete with a fiber form factor. It would be nice to see them reduce the size of their heads
 

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I don’t know if this is possible. But, has anyone ever paired the ALP CPU with the Stinger transmitter and receiver heads? I was wondering if the ALP cpu is just looking for a signal from the heads and therefore it might be able to use the Stingers smaller fibre optic heads?
The reason you cannot is because ALP is a powerful extremely sophisticated system and has a circuitry board in both the heads and the controller , and the control pad has its own circuitry board.
Stinger uses military grade technology and stand alone fibers that do not have circuitry boards and cannot be soldered to Alp circuitry boards.
Alp does a self check and the fiber heads will immediately fail that self check and possibly brick the main controller.
It's possible to redesign a smaller head, but the entire system will require a physical overhaul
 

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