Redline 360c - First drive impressions. Very happy so far, but some interesting K band falses (BSM?)

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Key settings:
X On
K 1,2,3,4 On (believe that is the default; accidentally turned one or two of the K segments off (thinking they were Ka before I quickly noticed they were in fact K when I quickly going through and changing all the Ka segments), so I turned those 1 or 2 back to 'On' to ensure all 4 K segments were back 'On').
K Notch On
Ka 2,4,5,6,8 On
Laser On
Highway
Cruise
GPS On
POP Off
MRCD Off (for now)
MRCT Off (for now)
TSR - somehow did not notice this when adjusting all the settings, so must still be at Default still (Off???)

Observations:
  1. Laser (in terms of ability not to false) - Excellent! The R360c experienced no laser falsing at all in my car, unlike Redline-O or V1 Gen 2 e.g. I don't know if anyone has tested the Redline 360c against laser guns, but I did not get a single false during my ~ 35 minute drive! By contrast, my V1 Gen 2 CONSTANTLY alerts to 'Laser' thanks to my car's laser-based collision avoidance system. This to me is a massive plus of the Redline 360c, assuming of course that it detects real police laser as well as (or almost as well as) the V1 Gen 2... The V1 G2 drives me nuts with very frequent laser alerts, starting right as I pull down and back up the driveway and when I get near (not even that near at all), thanks to my car's laser-based collision avoidance system sending our laser...
  2. BSM - This is based on limited driving of course, so will not draw any conclusions yet. For the first ~10 minutes (not busy roads but passed some Hondas etc.) no BSM alerts, great! Then I encountered one K band alert which turned out to be some fixed radar source and not BSM-related (replicated on the way back 10 mins later - same frequency and location). BUT, then on 2 or 3 occasions (1 was when there was one car around, the other 2 instances were when there were groups of cars close together and stores / car dealers along with this clustered traffic) I got a BUNCH of K band alerts that appear to be BSM (all clustered together just 1 to 3 seconds apart) albeit with different frequencies, so not sure if the same BSM / source is being 'seen' by the 360c as multiple frequencies (could it bouncing off objects somehow cause it to be seen and reported with an incorrect frequency?), but the frequencies were not close. (Puzzled!!!). One K band false could definitely be attributed to an Acura MDX, but the frequency appeared to hop/ jump (could not see other sources that might be the source of the other frequencies being reported).
  3. Police radar - No police radar yet, so more to come here...
  4. Mount - Love the mag mount (Had one before on the EX I returned a few years ago).
  5. Build quality / finish / case materials - Great (unlike my Unidens, sorry Uniden; have an R7 and had an R3),
  6. Weight - While the R360c is very heavy compared to the competition, it never bounces or vibrates at all, even with my car's stiff sport suspension.
More to come as I get to drive more this weekend and beyond...

My wife came with me and noted the frequencies of the K band alerts....
Non-BSM: 24.154 and 24.114 due to shops / car dealers / fixed K band source.
BSM or not? 24.220, 24.090, 24.219 Acura MDX, 24.165 (I put the Acura in sequence)
I think my wife may have missed one or two alerts (not many), but she did a good job!


I will try Auto sensitivity next time to at least see how much that reduces K band BSM alerts; however, given the severe impact Auto mode has on K band performance (vs. Highway mode), I might leave it in Highway mode for now...
 
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Thank you for sharing! Come back and let us know what you think after you get more time.

If you are around town and not driving as fast you can put the thing on auto and it helps, but it does cut a lot of range on K.
 

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Thank you for sharing! Come back and let us know what you think after you get more time.

If you are around town and not driving as fast you can put the thing on auto and it helps, but it does cut a lot of range on K.
Sure, will report back this weekend after more time with it.

I used to use Auto sensitivity with prior Escort detectors over the years given it was supposed to adjust sensitivity based on speed and that at a certain speed, in Auto mode, it was supposed to approach Highway sensitivity; however when some tests showed it still lagged Highway mode by a decent margin even at or near highway speeds, I went back to Highway sensitivity.
Vortex's recent tests actually show a significant performance hit when the R360c is set to Auto sensitivity.
The last time I recall being hit with confirmed K band it was I/IO late at night (~8 1/2 or 9 1/2 years ago); Highway mode would be a lot safer for such (I/O) instances, at least if there is another car ahead of me getting targeted by the LEO.

Anyway, looking forward to more time with it this weekend. Not as quiet on K band as I expected so far, but let's see how it performs in the coming days. I was hoping some of the second set of four K alerts in my post above might not be BSM, but I did not encounter them on the first leg of my drive, only on the way back on the same road...
 

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Key settings:
X On
K 1,2,3,4 On (believe that is the default; accidentally turned one or two of the K segments off (thinking they were Ka before I quickly noticed they were in fact K when I quickly going through and changing all the Ka segments), so I turned those 1 or 2 back to 'On' to ensure all 4 K segments were back 'On').
K Notch On
Ka 2,4,5,6,8 On
Laser On
Highway
Cruise
GPS On
POP Off
MRCD Off (for now)
MRCT Off (for now)
TSR - somehow did not notice this when adjusting all the settings, so must still be at Default still (Off???)

Observations:
  1. Laser (in terms of ability not to false) - Excellent! The R360c experienced no laser falsing at all in my car, unlike Redline-O or V1 Gen 2 e.g. I don't know if anyone has tested the Redline 360c against laser guns, but I did not get a single false during my ~ 35 minute drive! By contrast, my V1 Gen 2 CONSTANTLY alerts to 'Laser' thanks to my car's laser-based collision avoidance system. This to me is a massive plus of the Redline 360c, assuming of course that it detects real police laser as well as (or almost as well as) the V1 Gen 2... The V1 G2 drives me nuts with very frequent laser alerts, starting right as I pull down and back up the driveway and when I get near (not even that near at all), thanks to my car's laser-based collision avoidance system sending our laser...
  2. BSM - This is based on limited driving of course, so will not draw any conclusions yet. For the first ~10 minutes (not busy roads but passed some Hondas etc.) no BSM alerts, great! Then I encountered one K band alert which turned out to be some fixed radar source and not BSM-related (replicated on the way back 10 mins later - same frequency and location). BUT, then on 2 or 3 occasions (1 was when there was one car around, the other 2 instances were when there were groups of cars close together and stores / car dealers along with this clustered traffic) I got a BUNCH of K band alerts that appear to be BSM (all clustered together just 1 to 3 seconds apart) albeit with different frequencies, so not sure if the same BSM / source is being 'seen' by the 360c as multiple frequencies (could it bouncing off objects somehow cause it to be seen and reported with an incorrect frequency?), but the frequencies were not close. (Puzzled!!!). One K band false could definitely be attributed to an Acura MDX, but the frequency appeared to hop/ jump (could not see other sources that might be the source of the other frequencies being reported).
  3. Police radar - No police radar yet, so more to come here...
  4. Mount - Love the mag mount (Had one before on the EX I returned a few years ago).
  5. Build quality / finish / case materials - Great (unlike my Unidens, sorry Uniden; have an R7 and had an R3),
  6. Weight - While the R360c is very heavy compared to the competition, it never bounces or vibrates at all, even with my car's stiff sport suspension.
More to come as I get to drive more this weekend and beyond...

My wife came with me and noted the frequencies of the K band alerts....
Non-BSM: 24.154 and 24.114 due to shops / car dealers / fixed K band source.
BSM or not? 24.220, 24.090, 24.219 Acura MDX, 24.165 (I put the Acura in sequence)
I think my wife may have missed one or two alerts (not many), but she did a good job!


I will try Auto sensitivity next time to at least see how much that reduces K band BSM alerts; however, given the severe impact Auto mode has on K band performance (vs. Highway mode), I might leave it in Highway mode for now...
cruiser66 - I, too, have K notch on and noticed that it then toggles K band seg 4 to off. Are you saying you have all Kband segs toggled on along with K notch on?
 

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I used to use Auto sensitivity with prior Escort detectors over the years given it was supposed to adjust sensitivity based on speed and that at a certain speed, in Auto mode, it was supposed to approach Highway sensitivity; however when some tests showed it still lagged Highway mode by a decent margin even at or near highway speeds, I went back to Highway sensitivity.
Vortex's recent tests actually show a significant performance hit when the R360c is set to Auto sensitivity.
The last time I recall being hit with confirmed K band it was I/IO late at night (~8 1/2 or 9 1/2 years ago); Highway mode would be a lot safer for such (I/O) instances, at least if there is another car ahead of me getting targeted by the LEO.
I think you're referring to @Brainstorm69's test?


The test I did was at 35 mph which is more city speeds instead of highway speeds and it makes sense to see a sensitivity drop at that speed. I haven't tested at highway speeds to see the sensitivity difference there between auto and highway.

 

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Sure, will report back this weekend after more time with it.

I used to use Auto sensitivity with prior Escort detectors over the years given it was supposed to adjust sensitivity based on speed and that at a certain speed, in Auto mode, it was supposed to approach Highway sensitivity; however when some tests showed it still lagged Highway mode by a decent margin even at or near highway speeds, I went back to Highway sensitivity.
Vortex's recent tests actually show a significant performance hit when the R360c is set to Auto sensitivity.
The last time I recall being hit with confirmed K band it was I/IO late at night (~8 1/2 or 9 1/2 years ago); Highway mode would be a lot safer for such (I/O) instances, at least if there is another car ahead of me getting targeted by the LEO.

Anyway, looking forward to more time with it this weekend. Not as quiet on K band as I expected so far, but let's see how it performs in the coming days. I was hoping some of the second set of four K alerts in my post above might not be BSM, but I did not encounter them on the first leg of my drive, only on the way back on the same road...
Personally, I run Highway exclusively, KA wide / K wide / K notch. Very quiet with no BSM falses, that i have noticed. I guess setting up to your own preferences take a little time & error, but you'll get it to where you like it. Have fun with it this weekend.
 

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I think you're referring to @Brainstorm69's test?


The test I did was at 35 mph which is more city speeds instead of highway speeds and it makes sense to see a sensitivity drop at that speed. I haven't tested at highway speeds to see the sensitivity difference there between auto and highway.

Thanks Vortex. I was referring to your Barn retest. Thanks for confirming that it was at 35 MPH.
But in your 35 MPH Auto and Auto LoK tests, 3 of 4 runs were around 760 feet, which is only about 1/3 of the range when compared to 2,450 - 2,500 feet results in Highway mode), so that is well below what one would expect at 35 MPH, unless I am missing something?
Open to your thoughts / comments, thanks.


Side note - Also Auto LoK performed a bit worse than Auto which is odd since Auto LoK is supposed to be at 65% sensitivity at 49MPH or lower (and Highway at 50 MPH and above).
Your test was at 35 MPH and for Auto at that speed (35 MPH), one would think the detector should detect at a shorter range in Auto mode at 35 MPH than in Auto LoK mode at that speed? This assumes Auto sensitivity at 35 MPH should be 50% or 55% (+ or -5%) or so (not sure of Escort's Auto mode, percentages at given speeds, but comparing 35 MPH to highway speed say 60 or 65 MPH, so 55% sounds reasonable).
 

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I had laser falses with my V1G1 in my G05. However, no such issue with my V1G2, R360c or R7.
What are you driving?
 

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Personally, I run Highway exclusively, KA wide / K wide / K notch. Very quiet with no BSM falses, that i have noticed. I guess setting up to your own preferences take a little time & error, but you'll get it to where you like it. Have fun with it this weekend.
Thanks! I indeed plan to (have fun with it this weekend).
Yes, I was a bit surprised at the 'clustered' K band alerts I got, especially compared to what others have been reporting in terms of lack of BSM falses.
But maybe I got really unlucky so to speak on that run...
Some more drive time this weekend should help me get a better sense of its BSM filtering ability.

I do have K Notch On and Highway like you, so it is interesting that on my first drive already I seemed to encounter more falses than most here, but maybe I just happened to run into more of my fair share of the few cars that cause the 360c to false to their BSM...
Only time will tell. :)
 

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Thanks! I indeed plan to (have fun with it this weekend).
Yes, I was a bit surprised at the 'clustered' K band alerts I got, especially compared to what others have been reporting in terms of lack of BSM falses.
But maybe I got really unlucky so to speak on that run...
Some more drive time this weekend should help me get a better sense of its BSM filtering ability.

I do have K Notch On and Highway like you, so it is interesting that on my first drive already I seemed to encounter more falses than most here, but maybe I just happened to run into more of my fair share of the few cars that cause the 360c to false to their BSM...
Only time will tell. :)
Try (K wide) on your next trip and also give autolearn a chance to lock-out some unwanted (K) in your area.
 

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Has anyone seen any documentation for the Redline 360c's "New Auto Mode" (Escort Introductory [email protected] the 20:45 minute mark). Best I recall the K & X filters reach maximum pass through (minimum filtering) above 55mph but this could have been modified either as part of the "New Auto Mode" or even via 1.3 firmware update. It would be helpful for Escort to clarify this for us (and the testers).
 

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Try (K wide) on your next trip and also give autolearn a chance to lock-out some unwanted (K) in your area.
Thanks, appreciate the suggestions! However, I doubt they would help in MY case, for the following reasons (anyone can let me know if I am missing something):

K Wide - Unfortunately K On just does not scan 'K Narrow 4' (23.950 - 24.050); the falses I had were all outside that frequency range, so it would not help eliminate the falses I had last night.

Unfortunately, AutoLearn will probably not help in the case of the second set of falses (" BSM or not? 24.220, 24.090, 24.219 Acura MDX, 24.165") since these were all reported only in one direction, not the other direction.
(2 lane roads without much distance between lanes that could attribute to a decent strength signal only being reported in one direction).
Note - The first 2 falses listed will be taken care of by AutoLearn after another pass or so; that is actually why I captured them on a separate line and noted those weree just stationary falses. That is where AutoLearn will really help (although a bit leery given the recent video about AutoLearn locking out a LEO where it made no sense; I have had it happen with my Max years ago under a specific circumstance, but the recent scenario in the video is scary. :)
Luckily K is not used around here, so I could always just turn AutoLearn off after it has learned all the X and K band stationary falses in my typical driving area.


Thanks anyway! :)
 

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Thanks, appreciate the suggestions! However, I doubt they would help in MY case, for the following reasons (anyone can let me know if I am missing something):

K Wide - Unfortunately K On just does not scan 'K Narrow 4' (23.950 - 24.050); the falses I had were all outside that frequency range, so it would not help eliminate the falses I had last night.

Unfortunately, AutoLearn will probably not help in the case of the second set of falses (" BSM or not? 24.220, 24.090, 24.219 Acura MDX, 24.165") since these were all reported only in one direction, not the other direction.
(2 lane roads without much distance between lanes that could attribute to a decent strength signal only being reported in one direction).
Note - The first 2 falses listed will be taken care of by AutoLearn after another pass or so; that is actually why I captured them on a separate line and noted those weree just stationary falses. That is where AutoLearn will really help (although a bit leery given the recent video about AutoLearn locking out a LEO where it made no sense; I have had it happen with my Max years ago under a specific circumstance, but the recent scenario in the video is scary. :)
Luckily K is not used around here, so I could always just turn AutoLearn off after it has learned all the X and K band stationary falses in my typical driving area.


Thanks anyway! :)
My point is, there's a lot of unknowns with the R360c. I've also have seen R360c videos, testing & comments, but not all are related to me or my specific unit. I wouldn't rule out anything, you just might be surprised 😏
 

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My point is, there's a lot of unknowns with the R360c. I've also have seen R360c videos, testing & comments, but not all are related to me or my specific unit. I wouldn't rule out anything, you just might be surprised 😏
:) I will try to play around with the settings a bit this weekend and see how it does.
 

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PS: Ignore my comment above about Auto LoK. (Can't edit the post above anymore).
 

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I think you're referring to @Brainstorm69's test?


The test I did was at 35 mph which is more city speeds instead of highway speeds and it makes sense to see a sensitivity drop at that speed. I haven't tested at highway speeds to see the sensitivity difference there between auto and highway.

I tested the Max II and 9500ix and found that Auto Mode reaches about 2/3 range of highway at maximum Auto ability.
After about 70 kph it never gets any better reception.
Recently someone posted the Escort patent on Auto Mode sensitivity and that graph mirrored my findings exactly on the sensitivity ramp up from very low to maximum around 45 mph.
And again it never reaches Highway Mode sensitivity, ever.
I will search for that chart.

@InsipidMonkey had posted this and it demonstrates it well.
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I tested the Max II and 9500ix and found that Auto Mode reaches about 2/3 range of highway at maximum Auto ability.
After about 70 kph it never gets any better reception.
Recently someone posted the Escort patent on Auto Mode sensitivity and that graph mirrored my findings exactly on the sensitivity ramp up from very low to maximum around 45 mph.
And again it never reaches Highway Mode sensitivity, ever.
I will search for that chart.

@InsipidMonkey had posted this and it demonstrates it well.
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The very reason I don't use AUTO and only run in HWY mode
 

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I tested the Max II and 9500ix and found that Auto Mode reaches about 2/3 range of highway at maximum Auto ability.
After about 70 kph it never gets any better reception.
Recently someone posted the Escort patent on Auto Mode sensitivity and that graph mirrored my findings exactly on the sensitivity ramp up from very low to maximum around 45 mph.
And again it never reaches Highway Mode sensitivity, ever.
I will search for that chart.

@InsipidMonkey had posted this and it demonstrates it well.
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Thank you. I thought that was the case too, but couldn't remember for sure or where the reference was. I wonder what the thought process is behind reducing the sensitivity even at highway speeds.

From that chart, is it saying that above 45 mph, it's at full sensitivity? or maybe that's just an example of the idea, not the way they've ultimately implemented it?
 

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Working right Auto Mode is very effective in reducing K Band falsing in very urban environment where slow speeds and excessive signals exist. It is also very user friendly for the less than advanced users.
That said, I would personally be using highway mode for any travelling above 40 mph IMO.
Sort of like switching between City, Adv, Highway manually on a R series or other detectors.
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The very reason I don't use AUTO and only run in HWY mode
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Thank you. I thought that was the case too, but couldn't remember for sure or where the reference was. I wonder what the thought process is behind reducing the sensitivity even at highway speeds.

From that chart, is it saying that above 45 mph, it's at full sensitivity? or maybe that's just an example of the idea, not the way they've ultimately implemented it?
It never has been max sensitivity on any Escort I've tried.
I used to drive everywhere back in early days of 9500i on Auto Mode.
Very quiet on K Band all the time until BSM showed up.
I learned to set to highway mode when going faster after a few years of in the dark.
 
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Went for a second drive intentionally to test it out and try to find some real radar.
Drove between 60 - 72 miles round trip with R360c in Highway mode.

Only 5 K band (false) alerts despite surprisingly heavy traffic at times:
24.099
24.180
24.150 (might be due to a mall / stores)
24.141. (in town)
24.164 (in town)

Still no laser falses.

Very happy so far!
 
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