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(Quickly edited since my brain was on Ka band when I first posted...)

Thanks a lot Vortex!!!

Especially glad you tested in Auto mode and found a huge reduction in K range compared to Highway mode. I will only be running the 360C in Highway mode then!
 
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As someone much smarter than me said, the detector is looking for the "glow" if it can't see the beam.
Apparently, that is the key. But there are only three brands even close to the goal now.
 

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As someone much smarter than me said, the detector is looking for the "glow" if it can't see the beam.
Apparently, that is the key. But there are only three brands even close to the goal now.
The best way to describe the Extreme Range club, separates them from the also rans.
 

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Well, if money is not an issue the R360c is clearyl the winner. but .. the r360 did not beat the R7 in range in all categories so to say that "the R360C is the best for range" is just not accurate . your own test proves that statement to be wrong.

And BSM... well if your unit has 30% of the R7s K band range then just run the R7 in city mode and watch it go quiet as a church mouse. but you still have the option to crank the R7 to 100% highway mode for some insane K band range.

The only reason why i would get the R360C over the R7 is because of the blue tooth and wifi updating.. but really. how often do you get an update to warrant having to update on the go.

Blue tooth is mostly valuable to motorcycle users.other than that why? on the V1s case it uses its blue tooth to use the open API V1 driver and JBV1 but on the redline? no point..

The V1G2 is stealth .. the R7 is spectre resistant . but only 2 states have to worry about spectres and even on those states it is not very commong for cops to be running one more electronic in their car taking up one more 12V outlet and chirping around in their car.

So as far as usable features go.. V1G2 is probably best. followed very closely by the R7. and if you take into account that the R7 is a plug and play unit .. vs the V1 that is a more enthiusast type unit that requires downloading an app, getting an android phone and configuring it on top of setting up the phone every time..

I would still declare the R7 the winner general purpose since 95% of people wont install the apps nor get a second phone for the V1G2
Well said... just wanna get this out there.

This forum underestimates the power of hardware savvy.

V1G2 is so good you only really need hardware savvy. My gal switched out her R3 for CD, savvy, V1G2 combo. I use no app mostly, sometimes I connect the official app for savvy muting. I set my dad up with JBV1 for his, but apps are far from even remotely necessary.

Really only this place thinks apps are needed for the V1G2. I'd never buy a Uniden R for where I live - probably only a V1G2 or Pro M.

K Block/K Notch and things like that don't cut it. Neither does Ka narrow or tricks like that as a poster just pointed out with video evidence 😲

The looking glass - think mirror
 
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Well said... just wanna get this out there.

This forum underestimates the power of hardware savvy.

V1G2 is so good you only really need hardware savvy. My gal switched out her R3 for CD, savvy, V1G2 combo. I use no app mostly, sometimes I connect the official app for savvy muting. I set my dad up with JBV1 for his, but apps are far from even remotely necessary.

Really only this place thinks apps are needed for the V1G2. I'd never buy a Uniden R for where I live - probably only a V1G2 or Pro M.

K Block/K Notch and things like that don't cut it. Neither does Ka narrow or tricks like that as a poster just pointed out with video evidence 😲

The looking glass - think mirror
This is why I wish so badly that the new V1G2 would have included GPS just to give us low speed muting out of the box. I would have paid extra for it in a heart beat. For me, GPS and frequency display would have made it compete harder for my dashboard.

-Mark
 

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This is why I wish so badly that the new V1G2 would have included GPS just to give us low speed muting out of the box. I would have paid extra for it in a heart beat. For me, GPS and frequency display would have made it compete harder for my dashboard.

-Mark

ye but then we would be all bit*** why it costs 600+$$$... bla bla I truly hope, that theia fills in all the gaps. its 2020 someone needs to make EXCELLENT radar detector, and I being one of those people WILL pay the price tag for it.
 

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Well said... just wanna get this out there.

This forum underestimates the power of hardware savvy.

V1G2 is so good you only really need hardware savvy. My gal switched out her R3 for CD, savvy, V1G2 combo. I use no app mostly, sometimes I connect the official app for savvy muting. I set my dad up with JBV1 for his, but apps are far from even remotely necessary.

Really only this place thinks apps are needed for the V1G2. I'd never buy a Uniden R for where I live - probably only a V1G2 or Pro M.

K Block/K Notch and things like that don't cut it. Neither does Ka narrow or tricks like that as a poster just pointed out with video evidence 😲

The looking glass - think mirror

Savvy can offer a lot to help keep the detector sufficiently quiet for some people, for sure.

Where I drive, I regularly encounter stationary K falses from speed signs and shopping centers that I pick up from the highway. Unfortunately Savvy won't help with those. I also have speed signs that I drive past on city streets, but I don't want to have to raise Savvy's threshold high enough to always mute those for me. I find lockouts to be a much better solution than Savvy. However, if all you're really worried about is muting door openers when you're on city streets and in parking lots, Savvy would work just fine.

Speaking of hardware Savvy, it also mutes Ka band at low speeds too, right? I don't think you can have its muting apply just to X and K band.
 

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Really only this place thinks apps are needed for the V1G2.

Don't be too sure. The guy that bought my Gen 1 loves the apps. He started with V1C and is now using JBV1. He wasn't not on forums.
Another guy at my car dealership was also curious about app use, also not on forums.
Word does get around and often then brings people here for more info.
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This is why I wish so badly that the new V1G2 would have included GPS just to give us low speed muting out of the box. I would have paid extra for it in a heart beat. For me, GPS and frequency display would have made it compete harder for my dashboard.

-Mark
VR do give you the choice though. and app based GPS features are far more sophisticated than any detector will ever be. In one case, it's free.
 
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Don't be too sure. The guy that bought my Gen 1 loves the apps. He started with V1C and is now using JBV1. He wasn't not on forums.
Another guy at my car dealership was also curious about app use, also not on forums.
Word does get around and often then brings people here for more info.
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VR do give you the choice though. and app based GPS features are far more sophisticated than any detector will ever be. In one case, it's free.
Thanks Lou, Ya, I get that, but I like a solution that is self-contained. I've used the various apps and they are great! Just prefer the all in one solution even if it costs more.
 

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Savvy can offer a lot to help keep the detector sufficiently quiet for some people, for sure.

Where I drive, I regularly encounter stationary K falses from speed signs and shopping centers that I pick up from the highway. Unfortunately Savvy won't help with those. I also have speed signs that I drive past on city streets, but I don't want to have to raise Savvy's threshold high enough to always mute those for me. I find lockouts to be a much better solution than Savvy. However, if all you're really worried about is muting door openers when you're on city streets and in parking lots, Savvy would work just fine.

Speaking of hardware Savvy, it also mutes Ka band at low speeds too, right? I don't think you can have its muting apply just to X and K band.
Vortex I'm driving with my V1 G2 through Chicago, I live in the city not the burbs, through the highway system that splits part of the city. I also drive through several towns with strip malls to get close to where I actually work which is out in the burbs.

Are you driving the original V1 by chance? The impression you're giving doesn't really fit with what I hear or see on a daily basis.

Make no mistake I'm not driving with you, and I understand that speed signs are an issue. I just hit the mute button which is very rare. I drove there and back to work today without anything but the V1 by itself, I think I got a red light camera alert pickup with radar? oh and I forced it to go off to a CX-5 in front of me when I was doing some streetwise testing.

Either way, what I find to be particularly useful is double tapping the mute button.

But overall there's like three options you can take with the V1 G2, and my personal opinion is that GPS is not needed. Just my opinion, I understand that others like yourself favor GPS techniques.

As for hardware savvy still muting ka I'd have to test to know for sure (it unmutes above threshold). It doesn't mute it for esavvy in the official app, depending on your settings.

Savvy can be an interesting discussion in and of itself, all the different versions available technically speaking. Probably something to discuss via a totally different topic which typically isn't discussed very often here.
 
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I suggest that anyone who has been eating into potential ER RD user market IS Valentine Research (by sale volume), not Radenso (yet). G2 provides way to protect their market share while expanding it. I predict G2 sales volume significant over the volume of Pro M or whatever since G2 introduction. You Canadians might under estimate the domestic US market. Too bad VR does not have thriving CA sales channel (or MRXX).

ER is still the sales leader, I would guess, for the premium market? There is a surge over at VR now. which should change the market totals and who has this market. Pro M is good contender. Plus the other Radenso products, like remote systems, are doing well enough to partially fund the Theia effort.

I do agree in our RDF sphere, Radenso marketing and brand development (based on Theia) is taking it to ER. Halting some sales until Unicorn comes out (like me with RL 360c, I am waiting), and so many others stating they are waiting.

Uniden R7 sales, assuming going through the RDF looking glass, should be the run away seller in premium market. However, don’t know outside this space where the sales are going. They are taking market that both VR and ER would want. Plus better international channel Increase volume?

Again, you do not seem to accept my (+Vortex and others posts) why people of a different view than you have (non woke) would spend $750 in droves. There are more features they want (not you), more design attributes they want (not you) in something like a RL 360c (or Theia for that matter when it comes out), and are willing to pay almost double. Just the way it is, you can not like it, get that. Most people who may want “more” than what you want, normally will not insult you for your decision. They would expect the same back.

In reality, Radenso wants to tap into this high end market. With something transformational. From the top, Radenso seeks excellence, not benchmarking others as top priority, instead change the whole thing. As Jon and others say... they are hard core next gen users of the tech, seek nothing but the best. And know others want the same thing.

For context, I have zero doubt VR outsells us on their website directly probably 3:1. And I would not be surprised if they sold almost as much as Escort does directly on their website.

But in total sales volume, direct website sales are just not that significant. VR doesn't sell on Amazon, in Best Buy, in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, China, etc, or in hundreds of brick and mortar USA dealers that Escort and Radenso do.

What Uniden did with Best Buy alone last year is certainly more than Valentine did in their entirety during a recent year when they do have stock for an entire 12mo period.

I'm not saying that Valentine couldn't sell more, I'm saying he chooses not to. Realistically, they are not a major player in terms of sales volume or marketshare. But he probably could be if he wanted to.
 

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Don't be too sure. The guy that bought my Gen 1 loves the apps. He started with V1C and is now using JBV1. He wasn't not on forums.
Another guy at my car dealership was also curious about app use, also not on forums.
Word does get around and often then brings people here for more info.
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VR do give you the choice though. and app based GPS features are far more sophisticated than any detector will ever be. In one case, it's free.
Lou, sorry my point is this:

There are choices with the V1 G2 and this community heavily focuses on one particular area, although rightfully so. It's the most interesting one of the three - apps!

It's important to get it out there that they're not necessary to enjoy or run the V1 G2, but they add a whole new level of situation awareness.

That's my personal opinion having to deal with a lot of K noise and having a lot of ass time using the V1 G2 without an app, with apps, and esavvy/hardware savvy.

My message is in no way saying that apps are not one of the most amazing things to happen to this community in general. I personally don't want to push people down the path of believing that GPS is necessary, it really depends on what you buy.

And we all know the GPS is just one factor now, to the overall magic that an app can bring!
 
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I thought this was a Redline360C thread.
 

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For context, I have zero doubt VR outsells us on their website directly probably 3:1. And I would not be surprised if they sold almost as much as Escort does directly on their website.

But in total sales volume, direct website sales are just not that significant. VR doesn't sell on Amazon, in Best Buy, in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, China, etc, or in hundreds of brick and mortar USA dealers that Escort and Radenso do.

What Uniden did with Best Buy alone last year is certainly more than Valentine did in their entirety during a recent year when they do have stock for an entire 12mo period.

I'm not saying that Valentine couldn't sell more, I'm saying he chooses not to. Realistically, they are not a major player in terms of sales volume or marketshare. But he probably could be if he wanted to.
I think VR as of G2 domain is higher compared to other higher end arrow products. I agree, as I mentioned R7 may be sales leader (without me knowing all the sales channels and numbers). I do not consider VR niche at this time.. historically they have not either (When comparing high end windshield arrows or not).

Your welcome, on my compliments in the comment how interesting/good job you/your team are doing to change the whole game.
 

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The fact that V1's are in so many cars in vids, on the street, and that so many people know what a Valentine 1 is, speaks for itself. Down here they're second only to the cheapest crap the Auto Stores sell.
Uniden seems popular too, Escort is rare (far too expensive here) and Radenso just doesn't exist. Except for the odd import
 

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As someone much smarter than me said, the detector is looking for the "glow" if it can't see the beam.

Lou, for the low, low price of only $25.00 US, you too can be the proud owner of an MPH Python Single Light. It's great for the car, camping trips, power outages and so much more.....

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OP updated with videos and improved charts. :)
 

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What really stands out is that the MAX3 has a definite issue with its current Auto Mode programming which is in need of Escort's immediate attention. It will be interesting to accumulate MAX3 user feedback on its part-analog BSM filtering vs the all-digital MAX platform (once this Auto Mode filter issue gets fixed that is).

Again, great job putting it all together.
 

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What really stands out is that the MAX3 has a definite issue with its current Auto Mode programming which is in need of Escort's immediate attention. It will be interesting to accumulate MAX3 user feedback on its part-analog BSM filtering vs the all-digital MAX platform (once this Auto Mode filter issue gets fixed that is).

Again, great job putting it all together.

I bought a max3 that will be given to my dad next time I see him but that will be a month or more so in the mean time I’ll hopefully be able to add to the data points for how it handles BSM alerts as well as overall performance. After seeing how it did on auto......I’m definitely going to run it on highway lol.
 

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Yeah the Auto stuff was really surprising. Here, I'll go ahead and put together a compilation video showing Hwy vs Auto.

Update: Max 3 Highway vs. Auto mode video now added to the OP @poolmon and @smokinu454. :thumbsup:

 
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