Redline 360c 1.3, Red Barn Retest 7-15-20

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Yesterday I went out to go retest the Redline 360c with firmware 1.3 after its poor showing with 1.2. I was limited on time, so I reduced the number of detectors and dropped to only 2 runs per detector/settings combo. However, I managed to squeeze in K band, 33.8, 34.7, & 35.5 which I'm very happy about. :)

I'm gonna go ahead and post up the results with a few comments and then start adding in more info over time, this way you get the results quicker.
  • Redline 360c 1.3
  • Max 360c 1.11
  • R7 1.29
  • Max 3 1.1
  • V1 Gen2 4.1018
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Redline 360c 1.3 Ramp-up & Arrow Flipping

Here's a set of passes showing the ramp-up and arrow flipping with the Redline 360c.

First up is a front 33.8 run. The ramp-up and arrow flipping are both much much better now. The ramp-up isn't perfectly linear, but it's definitely way better than before.


Next up is a rear 35.5 run. Again great ramp-up and arrow flip. It also did a great job holding onto the signal from behind.


Edit: The other 35.5 run drops the signal audibly for a bit as I approach while the visual indicator gets strong. That's really weird.

K Band

Let's get into some range testing next. Every detector set up X off, K on, segged 2/5/8, BSM filters on, Ka filters off.

First up, here's K band with the Falcon HR:

Vortex's K Band Front Results Chart 7-15-20.png


Vortex's K Band Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


Lots and lots of runs, haha, but here's the interesting things I found:

Things were very terrain limited. Most detectors alerted just after the red barn. TSR didn't make a difference in this test, even though it has previously. I guess at the red barn there was a weak but long enough duration signal present.

The Max 3 does well in Highway mode, but set it into Auto mode and range drops dramatically. It got C/Owned both times. Ouch... Its Auto Mode performs worse than the RL360c in AutoLoK mode. (Cruise control was set to 35 mph for all K band runs.)

Speaking of RL360c, let's look at its runs.

Redline 360c (Averaged) K Band Front Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png

As expected, Auto Mode drops the RL360c's range and AutoLoK dropped it further.

Arrows worked great with firmware 1.3. I did see the detector show 3 bogies though on almost every run when passing the radar gun. It seems to get overdriven pretty easily. Here's a full K band run showing this:


Moving on to the rear, here's how long they held the signal:

Vortex's K Band Rear Results Chart 7-15-20.png


Vortex's K Band (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


More separation here. R7 had one crazy run. It initially stopped alerting around the same time it did for the others, but it required again shortly before the red barn.

On the other side of the spectrum, the Max 3 managed to fail to alert whatsoever on one of the runs. I thought the radar gun lost power or something, but continued testing and everything else alerted normally. So something's going on with the Max 3 in Auto Mode. I wouldn't recommend using it...

Here's some of the test passes showing the difference in both directions between Highway Mode and Auto Mode:


Rewatching the front Highway mode clip (first clip in the compilation), the detector didn't properly alert in the kill zone. This kind of reminds me of the Redline 360c when it came out with firmware 1.2.

The RL360c had a lot of great detection runs (front and rear) with 1.3 though. I'm glad to see this fixed with the new firmware. Here's how the rear looks now:

Redline 360c (Averaged Rear) K Band Front Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png

Surprisingly the best rear runs with the RL360c were with Auto and AutoLoK, haha. I guess that once it has the signal, it holds on and the reduced sensitivity aspect goes away.

33.8:

I was getting longer distance alerts with the Falcon HR so I did the same trick of tucking behind a bush for Ka to cut down on range and it helped. (I also did all the Ka runs at 40 mph to start saving more time.)

Most of the alerts were cut down to right around the bend ~1500 ft, though the RL360c, V1, and R7 managed longer alerts after the red barn.

Vortex's 33.8 Rear Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 33.8 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


(I'm short on time tonight so I'll go quicker.)

Here's the rear:

Vortex's 33.8 Rear Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 33.8 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png

34.7

The big surprise on 34.7 was to see the Max 360c lagging behind the rest. Most every other detector was ~1500 ft like last time. Even the Max 3 beat out the Max 360c...

Vortex's 34.7 Front Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 34.7 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


Here's the rear. V1 does particularly well from behind again.

Vortex's 34.7 Rear Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 34.7 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


35.5:

Finally, here's 35.5. Again, Max 360c lags behind everything else, just like on 34.7. I figured it'd lose to the other top tier arrow detectors, but it's surprising to see the Max 3 with the new M4++ beating out the M6 in the Max 360c.

Vortex's 35.5 Front Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 35.5 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png


and here's the rear with the V1 edging out everything else from behind yet again.

Vortex's 35.5 Rear Results Chart 7-15-20.png

Vortex's 35.5 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 7-15-20.png

Conclusions:

So here's my main takeaways from the test:

Redline 360c is now a competitive detector across K and Ka band. Arrows work properly. Ramp-up isn't perfect, but it's much better than before. Rear detection works properly. It does sometimes overdrive at close range, but otherwise it's consistently a strong performer. It doesn't "noticeably" beat the V1 Gen2 and R7, but it is in the same league.

Max3 is best run in Highway mode if you need good K band performance. Skip auto mode. It also managed to outperform the Max 360c on 34.7 and 35.5 so even though it's "not a digital detector" like the Max's, it does look promising at least in terms of Ka band range.

@ferius' app RD Test was again a lifesaver. I did this test solo so I used the app myself this time and learned even more. I'd like to do a video on this app at some point too because it's awesome.

Finally, I shipped out my RL360c this morning to @Brainstorm69 so he and @Jag42 can do some testing with it this weekend so more testing to come! :)
 
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Now that you have $399-750 detectors all being terrain limited, do you have any plans to find a new test course?

Thanks for the many hours of hard, repetitive work that you put into this type of testing!
 

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Now that you have $399-750 detectors all being terrain limited, do you have any plans to find a new test course?

Thanks for the many hours of hard, repetitive work that you put into this type of testing!
haha that’s a good question. I have seen detectors alert before the red barn test too so it’s definitely possible to get longer distance alerts than what I typically get.

I’m totally open to a new course as well instead of going back there out of convenience.
 

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Awesome job @Vortex

Really surprised about the Max3.

Not overly surprised about the Max360C. Not a good look for Escorts recent flagship model.

I was also surprised at the V1G2’s K band results. I expected more.

Again.... thanks for taking the time to do this so quickly.
 

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Thanks for the testing @Vortex! Quite a difference from fw 1.2 on the Redline 360c!

How have you found the BSM filtering of the Redline 360c in Highway mode? That's pretty impressive range against the HR if the filtering is good.

Any reason you tested the V1 in Logic mode? I would think All Bogeys mode would be a more appropriate comparison to Highway mode on the other detectors.

Do you plan on posting the RDTest logs and/or videos when you get a chance? I'm interested to see how (or if?) the ramp-up on the Redline 360c has improved with the new firmware.
 

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Great job @Vortex!

Thank you for all you do for this community, especially testing.

It’s amazing what can happen when a manufacturer gives more attention to detail (1.2 vs. 1.3). What blows my mind is it didn’t even take them very long (surprisingly) to release 1.3, which means they could have had what now seems to be a top dog windshield detector, right out of the gate!

That price though... I’ll just leave it at that as I know what isn’t worth it to me may be worth it to other people, and that’s perfectly ok.
 

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Thanks brother for putting this together. Much appreciated.

I’m seriously impressed.
But price point . Eh

I’m at a point (and others I’m sure) where my device whether an R7 (or V1G2. Or other device of choice) is already giving plenty of warning and heads up (sometimes falses too lol ) that a change in RD at a higher price point for (limited) benefit isn’t justifiable

Waiting for Theia .
 

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RL 360c is a player for ER.

Thank you @Vortex for running out there and putting the work in.
 

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Thanks as always @Vortex ! I was really curious about the Max 3 and K band. Great showing. Actually, a great showing all the way around for the Max 3. My 34.7 results were showing the same. It is no slouch especially given it's analog. Maybe it is worthy of the Max name, taking down the Max 360...?
 

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Thanks as always @Vortex ! I was really curious about the Max 3 and K band. Great showing. Actually, a great showing all the way around for the Max 3. My 34.7 results were showing the same. It is no slouch especially given it's analog. Maybe it is worthy of the Max name, taking down the Max 360...?
Not making excuses for the 360c.... But, this was pathetic enough I wonder if Vortex should send it back. The Max 3 beat it on a rear facing test? It is so bad (compared to other tests too?), we are talking Cobra blister pack range? I do not see this kind of performance across the freqs this test has on two 360c, on Max 360 O, and my “hot” Bel GT360. Either something is up with his unit, or radar going through some biologics (bushes) turns ER FPGA “AI” into “unfuzzy confused logic”. Does some kind of Star Trek Daystrom AI machine meltdown. Pathetic showing.
 

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Not making excuses for the 360c.... But, this was pathetic enough I wonder if Vortex should send it back. The Max 3 beat it on a rear facing test? It is so bad (compared to other tests too?), we are talking Cobra blister pack range? I do not see this kind of performance across the freqs this test has on two 360c, on Max 360 O, and my “hot” Bel GT360. Either something is up with his unit, or radar going through some biologics (bushes) turns ER FPGA “AI” into “unfuzzy confused logic”. Does some kind of Star Trek Daystrom AI machine meltdown. Pathetic showing.
I hear you, I also think it would be good to do some testing with the Max 2 compared to the Max 3. If the Max 3 can be incrementally better than the Max 2, then you can see a little bit why it would be called the Max 3 by Escort regardless if it is digital or not. My testing with the Max 3, so far, as shown it to be a really good detector. Extremely quiet and has good range. From Vortex's test it shows some promise on K band too. I really like it for what it is.

-Mark
 

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I hear you, I also think it would be good to do some testing with the Max 2 compared to the Max 3. If the Max 3 can be incrementally better than the Max 2, then you can see a little bit why it would be called the Max 3 by Escort regardless if it is digital or not. My testing with the Max 3, so far, as shown it to be a really good detector. Extremely quiet and has good range. From Vortex's test it shows some promise on K band too. I really like it for what it is.

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Thanks! Cool... Glad to see Max 3 is working for you. I bet Vortex still have a Max in his museum collection. Can‘t ask him to do all the testing... :) I have a max of you want to compare. Let me know. The fancy blue case Max I have I keep close. Have another one in pristine condition.
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I hear you, I also think it would be good to do some testing with the Max 2 compared to the Max 3. If the Max 3 can be incrementally better than the Max 2, then you can see a little bit why it would be called the Max 3 by Escort regardless if it is digital or not. My testing with the Max 3, so far, as shown it to be a really good detector. Extremely quiet and has good range. From Vortex's test it shows some promise on K band too. I really like it for what it is.

-Mark
Is Max 3 also quiet running highway? Looks like auto sucks right now at 35mph.
 
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Thanks! Cool... Glad to see Max 3 is working for you. I bet Vortex still have a Max in his museum collection. Cams ask him to do all the testing... :) I have a max of you want to compare. Let me know. The fancy blue case Max I have I keep close. Have another one in pristine condition.
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Is Max 3 also quiet running highway? Looks like auto sucks right now at 35mph.
That would be awesome. I would love to test it and see how it compares.

Yes, I only run the Max 3 in highway mode. It is SUPER quiet.
 

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Thank you @Vortex for the great work. It's nice to see R360c performance that is competitive in many ways with top tier units like R7 and G2. After the rocky introduction I'm impressed that Escort has improved their flagship so much so quickly.

@Jon at Radenso is at it again. It almost seems like he has an amazing new product that he's planning to ship to Vortex soon and he's "speculating" that the range of such will require a longer course to really put the exclamation point on it. My first thought is that a really long and relatively straight and level road will be needed. But that would be only one test. I'd like to see one with lots of foliage as well. I'm hoping this new product will be a huge pain to test due to longer distance requirements. If so, we all win but might want to spread some gas money around.
 

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@Vortex, Thanks for putting in all that time for this test. Also, great K-band testing with all of the different settings. Definitely some interesting results with the surprising performance of the Max 3 and the disappointing performance of the Max360c against 34.7 and 35.5. My Max360c normally does very well against 34.7, but it isn’t as strong against 35.5.

It is also good to see the improvements of the R360c with the new firmware 1.3. It definitely appears the R360c is now a contender with both the V1G2 and R7. The R360c, V1G2, and R7 all had strong showings IMO.


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Is the v2 running the newest software that is out there? 2nd maybe we need to drive faster over the test course to be a true driving simulator of real world speed and make the unit react quickly not going slower and let them have time to think? This helps them with better range and is not real world driving at highway speed of 75 mph?
 

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Any reason you tested the V1 in Logic mode? I would think All Bogeys mode would be a more appropriate comparison to Highway mode on the other detectors.
Agreed. Not having it in all bogeys is not fair when other detectors are in a more sensitive highway mode.

Regardless thanks for taking the time to test
 

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