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There's an Online Non-Ford Configuration for some Aftermarket Parts: https://www.interactivegarage.com/interactive-garage-demo/

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Scars from playing at the Rubicon. I’ll be glad when they tour these around to some of the local dealerships. I want to see Area 51 and that cyber orange.

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Not bad for some stock setups on 33s. I‘m not a rock expert. But, I would take a little more air out of those tires and learn how to ‘bump‘ it a little. It would be so much fun testing on that trail. Not my vehicle, but someone else’s.
 

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You know, I just don’t see the IFS being a big issue. I think a stock Bronco is going anywhere a stock Jeep is going.

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Living next to the Dana plant and hearing one or two (or none.. it's probably really none) employees talk about Jeep axles doesn't give you any real evidence or information than me sitting in the office where a fighter jet was originally designed makes me some sort of aerospace insider. And what did you do in the auto industry? Lots of jobs there, so not entirely sure it's relevant and introducing it sounds like you're reaching here for things that aren't relevant to the discussion. Neither of those things have anything to do with either SFA being better off road than IFS, or even with the concept that you're pushing that because a very small number of Jeeps have death wobble that it would have any bearing on the Bronco.

The concept of "high speed" being introduced has nothing to do with off roading either. Off roading is not a high speed activity, the Jeep/Bronco are not high speed vehicles. They do 80-85 with huge tires on them and they are fine, and then they kind of cap out on speed so this high speed doesn't even enter the picture on these 4x4s. Rest assured, the SFA on any vehicle on the road is going to be safe enough to use for most people to drive. There are safety standards after all, and many would argue that beyond that there are lawyers and actuaries and all sorts of other people who are concerned with making sure the auto maker is unlikely to take a hit by putting out something with a known defect.

There are many many SFA vehicles were death wobble never occurred, yes, because it's not a common thing at all, Jeep or otherwise. As a great example of that, the Ford F-series, which is among the best selling vehicles on the planet, has a history of including and still includes SFA at present. Where are all the people unable to operate their vehicle due to their wheels teetering about unsafely? The Dana 60 swaps for Jeeps I believe would be most commonly sourced from Fords because it's apparently a pretty decent axle. The concept of difficulty "getting it right the first time" would be largely irrelevant since Ford has plenty of experience with a live front axle on their 4x4 products. Ford wouldn't have to work terribly hard to draw from decades of their own internal knowledge of how to equip production vehicles with a SFA in a safe and reliable way in order to get one on the Bronco without the wheels falling off.

Finally your last point - that is again not relevant to this topic. Agreed: The advantages of unibody and independent suspension for on-road manners and comfort, plus cost of production, are documented, and that is why those are commonplace. But this isn't a commonplace vehicle we're talking about and this isn't about debating IFS vs SFA on every vehicle so that has no bearing on this discussion. This isn't built to be a 3rd option for the CamCord crowd who's looking for a cheap appliance vehicle that gets them around town comfortably. The Bronco is advertised as the alternative choice to the Jeep wrangler, which itself is positioned as the leading choice for off roading and touts it's SFA as key to that. It isn't about being fast, it isn't about being the most comfortable on-road, and it isn't really about making the cheapest vehicle - all points where you'd want to say IFS is a great choice. What it is about is the perception that this vehicle is going to go off-road and be very good at that. Within that context, it's not supposed to be the most comfortable or compliant ON road as that would conflict with it's manners OFF road. Choosing IFS on that vehicle over a SFA is a compromise and something that dilutes the quality and usefulness of the product. Ford themselves gave very on-road focused reasons for this. On the first page I quoted the article where Ford explained their choice It wasn't because designing a SFA was hard. It wasn't because of cost. It wasn't because it's as good off road as a SFA. It was because the comfort would appeal to the masses, which as I said was just a bad reason to do it.

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There’s your F-series example...
 

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There’s your F-series example...
Sadly, as he found out, slapping a new steering stabilizer on there does not address death wobble. At best it’s a temporary bandaid to mask the symptoms of the actual cause.

Separately, the last time the F150 had a solid front axle was I think while Carter was President. The Super Duty still does.
 

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Man, Ford switches up the game every few weeks. Several dealers were setting up deals for $1300 under invoice with x plan. Ford made the deadline to switch dealers October 31 and you could only switch dealers once.

I guess the big dealers got pissed and complained. So, Ford came up with a formula to determine how each dealer could get based total reservations, number of Jeeps sold your area and last year volume for the dealership.

Now, it was leaked that the aren’t allowing x plan on the Bronco. You can change dealer a second time and the move dealer date was moved to Jan 31. You know people are losing their minds.
 

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Not to mention the Warthog!!! (Although I think that's just the projects code name for it.)
Yes, there are several people losing their minds and a few dealers to with the X Plan no-longer being an option and people moving their dealer of choice to one of the dealers that's offering a much better price.
 

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Yeah, Ford's blowing it changing the goal post mid game, at lot of people are pissed off over at the bronco6g forum. At least X Plan is still available on the Sport which is what I'm buying to replace my wife's Forester. The best deals still out there seem to be Granger Ford in IA and Stephens Ford in WV.
 

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Yeah, Ford's blowing it changing the goal post mid game, at lot of people are pissed off over at the bronco6g forum. At least X Plan is still available on the Sport which is what I'm buying to replace my wife's Forester. The best deals still out there seem to be Granger Ford in IA and Stephens Ford in WV.
Yeah, I’m probably going to change my reservation to Stephens. They are only 3.5 hours from me. I doubt any of them around here will sell under MSRP. I guess I will wait to see how their allocations look with the formula Ford is using.
 

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I was pretty meh about the new Bronco (the real one) at first, but it’s growing on me. This is exacerbated by my wife’s increasingly urgent desire to own a Jeep Wrangler. The Wrangler is egregiously expensive for what you get if you buy new or nearly new, and people selling used seem to think their gas tanks are lined with gold. I’d be happy with an LJ, but any decent example is priced ridiculously high.

She’s under the impression the Bronco will be the size of an F150 and wouldn’t prefer that for a daily driver. Once they actually come out and are on the road and available for test drives at dealerships (and the initial non-X-plan, MSRP+ BS has died down), we’ll see if they actually fit the bill or not.

One additional potential advantage of taking the wait-and-see approach is the possibility that with something new and shiny on the market, maybe the LJ prices and used JL prices will be reduced to more reasonable levels.

It’s the same tack I’m taking regarding a motorhome purchase. Right now it’s a seller’s market with super high demand due to the pandemic and people just wanting to get out and do relatively low-risk stuff. I’m hoping that means in a year or two or three the market will be flooded with gently used ones that will be a buyer’s market instead.
 

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Ford crapped this one. They are making the painted modular top late availability now. Their build and price came live at midnight and they were putting it off to add all the new stuff. It’s a total cluster. I think they referred to the guys doing it “rockstars”.
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