Learning to Fly
- Aug 21, 2017
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Also post-trail completion see @ Pics: Bronco Battle Scars From Completing Rubicon Trail Updated with photos posted by @Cencal Bronco My buddy was on the trail with his crew and sent me a few pictures. He also camped near them. He is going to send some videos when he gets back. Here are a few...www.bronco6g.com
Living next to the Dana plant and hearing one or two (or none.. it's probably really none) employees talk about Jeep axles doesn't give you any real evidence or information than me sitting in the office where a fighter jet was originally designed makes me some sort of aerospace insider. And what did you do in the auto industry? Lots of jobs there, so not entirely sure it's relevant and introducing it sounds like you're reaching here for things that aren't relevant to the discussion. Neither of those things have anything to do with either SFA being better off road than IFS, or even with the concept that you're pushing that because a very small number of Jeeps have death wobble that it would have any bearing on the Bronco.
The concept of "high speed" being introduced has nothing to do with off roading either. Off roading is not a high speed activity, the Jeep/Bronco are not high speed vehicles. They do 80-85 with huge tires on them and they are fine, and then they kind of cap out on speed so this high speed doesn't even enter the picture on these 4x4s. Rest assured, the SFA on any vehicle on the road is going to be safe enough to use for most people to drive. There are safety standards after all, and many would argue that beyond that there are lawyers and actuaries and all sorts of other people who are concerned with making sure the auto maker is unlikely to take a hit by putting out something with a known defect.
There are many many SFA vehicles were death wobble never occurred, yes, because it's not a common thing at all, Jeep or otherwise. As a great example of that, the Ford F-series, which is among the best selling vehicles on the planet, has a history of including and still includes SFA at present. Where are all the people unable to operate their vehicle due to their wheels teetering about unsafely? The Dana 60 swaps for Jeeps I believe would be most commonly sourced from Fords because it's apparently a pretty decent axle. The concept of difficulty "getting it right the first time" would be largely irrelevant since Ford has plenty of experience with a live front axle on their 4x4 products. Ford wouldn't have to work terribly hard to draw from decades of their own internal knowledge of how to equip production vehicles with a SFA in a safe and reliable way in order to get one on the Bronco without the wheels falling off.
Finally your last point - that is again not relevant to this topic. Agreed: The advantages of unibody and independent suspension for on-road manners and comfort, plus cost of production, are documented, and that is why those are commonplace. But this isn't a commonplace vehicle we're talking about and this isn't about debating IFS vs SFA on every vehicle so that has no bearing on this discussion. This isn't built to be a 3rd option for the CamCord crowd who's looking for a cheap appliance vehicle that gets them around town comfortably. The Bronco is advertised as the alternative choice to the Jeep wrangler, which itself is positioned as the leading choice for off roading and touts it's SFA as key to that. It isn't about being fast, it isn't about being the most comfortable on-road, and it isn't really about making the cheapest vehicle - all points where you'd want to say IFS is a great choice. What it is about is the perception that this vehicle is going to go off-road and be very good at that. Within that context, it's not supposed to be the most comfortable or compliant ON road as that would conflict with it's manners OFF road. Choosing IFS on that vehicle over a SFA is a compromise and something that dilutes the quality and usefulness of the product. Ford themselves gave very on-road focused reasons for this. On the first page I quoted the article where Ford explained their choice It wasn't because designing a SFA was hard. It wasn't because of cost. It wasn't because it's as good off road as a SFA. It was because the comfort would appeal to the masses, which as I said was just a bad reason to do it.
Sadly, as he found out, slapping a new steering stabilizer on there does not address death wobble. At best it’s a temporary bandaid to mask the symptoms of the actual cause.There’s your F-series example...
Yeah, I’m probably going to change my reservation to Stephens. They are only 3.5 hours from me. I doubt any of them around here will sell under MSRP. I guess I will wait to see how their allocations look with the formula Ford is using.Yeah, Ford's blowing it changing the goal post mid game, at lot of people are pissed off over at the bronco6g forum. At least X Plan is still available on the Sport which is what I'm buying to replace my wife's Forester. The best deals still out there seem to be Granger Ford in IA and Stephens Ford in WV.