Quick Thoughts on R360C Firmware Update 1.3

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Was hoping to get a better look at the firmware but the course I use is an industrial strip and of course it was way to busy to draw any solid conclusions so I will not even try....However, knowing the alert areas from all the top tier detectors, ramp up style, and arrow flipping and seeing the 1.2 firmware for many weeks will offer only one's opinion....

Equipment Used---Kustom Signals Raptor RP-1

Antennas--Low Powered K Band antenna and KA antenna 35.5

Settings Used (What I run them in the Wild (Sorry Ray I had to steal that phrase)

R360C--Highway, KA Wide, no K filters
V1G2---A Mode, KA Wide, K Ver On

...Rear Horn---Big, big improvement....This put a smile on my face....Actually outdid the V1G2 on Rear against the low powered K Band antenna.....35.5 the V1G2 won as usual but the R360C almost maxed course on the 35.5 rear as well.....Factors to be considered latch time of each detector and also V1G2 had verifier on.....

Ramp Up---Improved but against this particular K Gun, it was weak signal (one to two bars) then full tilt.....However, full tilt was there before the kill zone....Still needs work though...
Against KA antenna....Much smoother, much better ramp up....Still it would cut out during alert for a very brief second while arrow stayed lit...Could have been other contributing factors such as terrain or traffic but you would figure the latch time would suffice to not lose audio alert......

Arrow Flipping....Big big Improvement.....Have to give the nod by only a second to the V1G2 but is night and day from firmware 1.2...

Thanks Escort for a timely update but please keep refining it....I have enjoyed this detector despite the early flaws....

I will post of a couple of videos in the morning to show what I was experiencing however someone twisted my arm and is forcing me to go to the local watering hole.....
 
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Thanks @croup! Appreciate it. Sounds like Escort did something with this release.
 

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With all these comments and tests showing rear detection distances, but no way to verify the effect of each brands latch time, I think an eager tester should mount the detectors facing rear, like on a temp pad on dash with vecro to detector.
Then we can see the first contact distance which is more relevant to a LEO coming up from behind or rear I/O shots.
A latch time test would be easy on the bench and we could time R7, V1G2, RL360c and deduct distances on rear by speed x time also
 

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Couple of runs of R360C FW 1.3 on video against RP-1 LP K Band Antenna....

Notice the ramp up.....1 to 2 bars only then fult tilt against this low powered antenna...Will it be the same against other antennas....Will find out this week....

Improved things against this same antenna vs firmware 1.2 against this same LP K antenna:

---Never loses signal like on 1.2....1.2 would alert, lose signal constantly...You would think the radar disappeared into space...
---.Full tilt alert is where I like it distant wise from kill zone....Yes the 1/2 bar alert to full tilt is annoying as heck...
---Rear antenna much much better....
---Arrow Flipping....This course with all the reflections makes other top tier detectors show basically the same time span on arrow transition....Of my three detectors on this same course the rankings of fastest transition remain R7, V1G2, then R360C...But it now is mere seconds between them all....

Still more refinement on this one needed but it has been on my windshield from the day it arrived....Many miles driven getting to know this detector.....I have many good things to say about this detector and it's weaknesses as well....Until then I am going to leave it at that until I get more real encounters and some I/O testing done.....

KA 35.5 video runs will be posted later today....

 

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Couple of runs of R360C FW 1.3 on video against RP-1 LP K Band Antenna....

Notice the ramp up.....1 to 2 bars only then fult tilt against this low powered antenna...Will it be the same against other antennas....Will find out this week....

Improved things against this same antenna vs firmware 1.2 against this same LP K antenna:

---Never loses signal like on 1.2....1.2 would alert, lose signal constantly...You would think the radar disappeared into space...
---.Full tilt alert is where I like it distant wise from kill zone....Yes the 1/2 bar alert to full tilt is annoying as heck...
---Rear antenna much much better....
---Arrow Flipping....This course with all the reflections makes other top tier detectors show basically the same time span on arrow transition....Of my three detectors on this same course the rankings of fastest transition remain R7, V1G2, then R360C...But it now is mere seconds between them all....

Still more refinement on this one needed but it has been on my windshield from the day it arrived....Many miles driven getting to know this detector.....I have many good things to say about this detector and it's weaknesses as well....Until then I am going to leave it at that until I get more real encounters and some I/O testing done.....

KA 35.5 video runs will be posted later today....

Great video! I could listen to you drive all day - you make it fun!
That ramp was still pretty bad and needs work, but compared to 1.2, TONS better.
 

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Great video! I could listen to you drive all day - you make it fun!
That ramp was still pretty bad and needs work, but compared to 1.2, TONS better.
LOL...Yeah true on ramp up....You will see much better on the KA run in just a few minutes....If it was like the KA ramp up.....One can only wish....
 
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I was only able to test against 34.7 and came across three troopers running 34.7 also.

My ramp up leaves a little to be desired also, but there is certainly lots of improvement in this firmware. I never lost a signal, but it does still ramp up and down a little.

The arrows are also working a lot better. Pretty much on par with the new V1 or maybe even slightly better, comparable none the less.

The range is pretty good, I did 2 quick runs against the ATR for both the V1 and R360c and 1 of the runs the R360c beat the V1 slightly on the front antenna. My V1 appears to have better detection on the rear, but that could be latch time. My V1 also beats my Unidens on 34.7.

I only had 3 BSM alerts and they are all Honda/Acura, which is a big reduction in the number, however the alerts were back to full on scare the crap out of you, like the EX, those three alerted as full I/O when I was very close to the vehicle. Obviously I did not turn on K block yet.

I have noticed some weird things with Live, when a radar alert goes away the Map expands way out where I can see Costa Rica and I have to restart the app.

There was not much time to test this, but there looks to be a long delay when you QT the detector, almost 2 secs in the quick shots I did last night, when I do the same to the V1, I cannot sneak many by and none where I can get a reading. I did my best not to overdrive the detector.

Can some of you guys test the reaction time on this firmware and see if you find similar results?

Overall I am pleased with the update and also how quickly it came, makes the detector very usable. If they fix the ramp up and if the reaction time is goo, I think this is shaping up to be a nice detector, if you find value in these features..
 

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I was only able to test against 34.7 and came across three troopers running 34.7 also.

My ramp up leaves a little to be desired also, but there is certainly lots of improvement in this firmware. I never lost a signal, but it does still ramp up and down a little.

I was only able to get one run in because of traffic (lot of folks getting off work) when I got to 35.5 so I figured any results would be useless....On the run it did ramp down a bit (not losing signal) but did not want to say for sure due to conditions.....

The arrows are also working a lot better. Pretty much on par with the new V1 or maybe even slightly better, comparable none the less.

Same as I am seeing.....

The range is pretty good,

Course limited but it did pick up at exact same spot as R7 and V1G2 on the FF run 35.5....On facing away, same as R7 but the V1G2 is a monster on 35.5 and if you see where I turned around on one run back a few weeks ago the V1G2 sniffed out 35.5....Never had any detector sniff it from there....

I only had 3 BSM alerts and they are all Honda/Acura, which is a big reduction in the number, however the alerts were back to full on scare the crap out of you, like the EX, those three alerted as full I/O when I was very close to the vehicle. Obviously I did not turn on K block yet.

I just must not drive in polluted K band offenders areas or never get stuck next to many because I run no filters as well and the falses I get are quick and painless....By far the quietest detector I have with the settings I need to run on each.....

I have noticed some weird things with Live, when a radar alert goes away the Map expands way out where I can see Costa Rica and I have to restart the app.

I pretty much never use Live so no comment here....It happened to be on due to me updating just before the testing....


Overall I am pleased with the update and also how quickly it came, makes the detector very usable. If they fix the ramp up and if the reaction time is goo, I think this is shaping up to be a nice detector, if you find value in these features..

Totally agree....

Thanks for the feedback and the testing...
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Does anyone know the exact time from boot up of newer escort detectors till it reacts to radar? Not saying it is a bad thing but something that is good to know.....Most others, for example R7 and V1G2 are a quick startup then alert.....I included the delay to the R360C FW 1.3 Video...

 
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Couple of runs of R360C FW 1.3 on video against RP-1 LP K Band Antenna....

Notice the ramp up.....1 to 2 bars only then fult tilt against this low powered antenna...Will it be the same against other antennas....Will find out this week....

Improved things against this same antenna vs firmware 1.2 against this same LP K antenna:

---Never loses signal like on 1.2....1.2 would alert, lose signal constantly...You would think the radar disappeared into space...
---.Full tilt alert is where I like it distant wise from kill zone....Yes the 1/2 bar alert to full tilt is annoying as heck...
---Rear antenna much much better....
---Arrow Flipping....This course with all the reflections makes other top tier detectors show basically the same time span on arrow transition....Of my three detectors on this same course the rankings of fastest transition remain R7, V1G2, then R360C...But it now is mere seconds between them all....

Still more refinement on this one needed but it has been on my windshield from the day it arrived....Many miles driven getting to know this detector.....I have many good things to say about this detector and it's weaknesses as well....Until then I am going to leave it at that until I get more real encounters and some I/O testing done.....

KA 35.5 video runs will be posted later today....

Did Escort include a belch alert tone with this update? :happyanim::bravo::rofl:
 

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Does anyone know the exact time from boot up of newer escort detectors till it reacts to radar? Not saying it is a bad thing but something that is good to know.....Most others, for example R7 and V1G2 are a quick startup then alert.....I included the delay to the R360C FW 1.3 Video...

Escort has always had a longer delay than other MFGs upon startup, on their forum they stated the Max took about one minute to go through its startup procedures.

Also if you start up most escort detectors in the presence of radar (like a shopping center) it takes a while for them to alert. I forget the times, but its longer then you expect, I think its like 30 secs with no radar present and over a minute with a signal on startup - but just a guess on my part. Not a problem once you know it take a bit longer.

I found this thread addressing the same issue.

https://www.rdforum.org/threads/64184/
 

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I was only able to test against 34.7 and came across three troopers running 34.7 also.

My ramp up leaves a little to be desired also, but there is certainly lots of improvement in this firmware. I never lost a signal, but it does still ramp up and down a little.

The arrows are also working a lot better. Pretty much on par with the new V1 or maybe even slightly better, comparable none the less.

The range is pretty good, I did 2 quick runs against the ATR for both the V1 and R360c and 1 of the runs the R360c beat the V1 slightly on the front antenna. My V1 appears to have better detection on the rear, but that could be latch time. My V1 also beats my Unidens on 34.7.

I only had 3 BSM alerts and they are all Honda/Acura, which is a big reduction in the number, however the alerts were back to full on scare the crap out of you, like the EX, those three alerted as full I/O when I was very close to the vehicle. Obviously I did not turn on K block yet.

I have noticed some weird things with Live, when a radar alert goes away the Map expands way out where I can see Costa Rica and I have to restart the app.

There was not much time to test this, but there looks to be a long delay when you QT the detector, almost 2 secs in the quick shots I did last night, when I do the same to the V1, I cannot sneak many by and none where I can get a reading. I did my best not to overdrive the detector.

Can some of you guys test the reaction time on this firmware and see if you find similar results?

Overall I am pleased with the update and also how quickly it came, makes the detector very usable. If they fix the ramp up and if the reaction time is goo, I think this is shaping up to be a nice detector, if you find value in these features..
Hey Sam,

I noticed you had alerts to Honda/Acura. Did you turn on the new "K Notch" filter? Having this on, should get rid of most, if not at all, Hondas/Acuras.

-Mark
 

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Hey Sam,

I noticed you had alerts to Honda/Acura. Did you turn on the new "K Notch" filter? Having this on, should get rid of most, if not at all, Hondas/Acuras.

-Mark
I did not turn it on yet - and I called it K block in my fist post in error, I wanted to see if there was any improvement without it.

I am not a big fan of the notch filters when there is a lot of K band around, There are a lot of stalker patrols here, but for the most part they don't broadcast that high and I know Escort said that the signal will break through the block if it is strong enough.

Seem like Valentine has it mostly figured out for the Hondas, so its possible to filter without that type of band aid solution.

Still the notch is much better than nothing - I am glad they offered that feature and put the Auto JTK on the firmware.
 

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Does anyone know the exact time from boot up of newer escort detectors till it reacts to radar? Not saying it is a bad thing but something that is good to know.....Most others, for example R7 and V1G2 are a quick startup then alert.....I included the delay to the R360C FW 1.3 Video...

That rear detection sounds broke. Why is it still alerting at a full strength once you passed it and was long gone. No ramp down on some of those.
 

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FW 1.3 VS 35.5


Thoughts on KA ramp up vs K ramp up? In other words is it worthy? I like other than the one pause in the FF run that could be other factors but @samq45 said he noticed as well...
Not perfect but still a shit ton better than the previous firmware. At least you have an idea when you are in the kill zone - some more tweaking is needed (v1/r7 need help in this area also).

When new, a lot of higher end detectors seem to struggle with a nice smooth ramp up (or I/O with the V1G2), - and it must be difficult to get right.

From the Original Sti's 2 tiered ramp up to the R7s full tilt alerts 2 miles away and the lazy ramp up from the V1, we have seen variations of this issue for many years on some new detectors, some get it working correctly and some don't.

I think they can do better in this area with the R360C, and so can V1 and Uniden. They just need to spend a little more time on it.
 

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I was only able to test against 34.7 and came across three troopers running 34.7 also.

My ramp up leaves a little to be desired also, but there is certainly lots of improvement in this firmware. I never lost a signal, but it does still ramp up and down a little.

The arrows are also working a lot better. Pretty much on par with the new V1 or maybe even slightly better, comparable none the less.

The range is pretty good, I did 2 quick runs against the ATR for both the V1 and R360c and 1 of the runs the R360c beat the V1 slightly on the front antenna. My V1 appears to have better detection on the rear, but that could be latch time. My V1 also beats my Unidens on 34.7.

I only had 3 BSM alerts and they are all Honda/Acura, which is a big reduction in the number, however the alerts were back to full on scare the crap out of you, like the EX, those three alerted as full I/O when I was very close to the vehicle. Obviously I did not turn on K block yet.

I have noticed some weird things with Live, when a radar alert goes away the Map expands way out where I can see Costa Rica and I have to restart the app.

There was not much time to test this, but there looks to be a long delay when you QT the detector, almost 2 secs in the quick shots I did last night, when I do the same to the V1, I cannot sneak many by and none where I can get a reading. I did my best not to overdrive the detector.

Can some of you guys test the reaction time on this firmware and see if you find similar results?

Overall I am pleased with the update and also how quickly it came, makes the detector very usable. If they fix the ramp up and if the reaction time is goo, I think this is shaping up to be a nice detector, if you find value in these features..
Can you tell us how it is for you with K-Block on?
 

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That rear detection sounds broke. Why is it still alerting at a full strength once you passed it and was long gone. No ramp down on some of those.
I really dont know where the gun was shooting from - I watched the video quickly and did not notice it. If the gun was forward facing - shooting at the rear of the truck, that could account for the rear ramp up, plus there is the latch time - which for escort does not seem excessive at all, but I did not measure it.
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Can you tell us how it is for you with K-Block on?
Sure - Ill turn it on for the ride home.
 

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Does anyone know the exact time from boot up of newer escort detectors till it reacts to radar? Not saying it is a bad thing but something that is good to know.....Most others, for example R7 and V1G2 are a quick startup then alert.....I included the delay to the R360C FW 1.3 Video...

Was it boot up time? Or was it being overdriven??
 

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