INFO List of Spectre/RDD Undetectable (and Detectable) RDs

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This is a work in progress. Please let me know if you spot any omissions or have links to additional results.

Detectors that are functionally stealth to RDDs
Escort Redline
Escort Redline EX
Escort Redline 360c
Escort Max Ci 360
Beltronics Magnum
Beltronics STiR
Genevo One M
Neoline X-Cop 9100s
Radenso Pro M
Radenso RPSE
Radenso SP, XP
Stinger VIP
Valentine 1 Gen2

Detectors that are only detectable at very close range
Cobra DSP9200BT
NetRadar DSP
Radenso RC-M
Uniden DFR6, DFR7, DFR8, DFR9
Uniden R1, R3*
Uniden R7*

*(Note: Spectre testing with the Uniden R1, R3, and R7 has shown detection to be highly variable, with results ranging from functionally stealth to detectable at several hundred feet. Use caution in banned areas. See references below.)

Detectors that are not stealth
Cobra DualPro
Beltronics GT-360
Escort Max, Max2, Max II
Escort Max360, Max360c
Valentine 1

Detectors that are detectable from a long distance
Most Cobras
Whistlers
K40
Rocky Mountain Radar
Batman Detector


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The R3 is functionally stealth I’m pretty sure.
 

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Max 360c?
 

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The R3 is functionally stealth I’m pretty sure.
Since not all of the results were tabulated, I had to make some judgement calls based on the videos posted (see references). The results for the Uniden detectors were somewhat variable, and the R3 could be detected at very close range but should be effectively stealth.

I'm open to others reviewing the tests and suggesting reclassification.
 
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Since not all of the results were tabulated, I had to make some judgement calls based on the videos posted (see references). The results for the Uniden detectors were somewhat variable, and the R3 could be detected at very close range but should be effectively stealth.
Going on @Vortex most recent results, I think it can be argued the R3 against the Spectre 3 is stealth in some units of the R3 but not all.
 

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One thing I found before with my V1 (G1/og) 3.8945, that if you run custom sweeps 'C' mode, it greatly reduces the detectability down to about 10m / 30 feet running inside a vehicle with a Spectre III on max sensitivity , than running factory default 'A' mode.

It was also compared to a new out of box 3.8952 running factory 'A' mode (similar results on a Spectre III and IV)

I also have X band turned off (not used here) in 'C' mode, and never got round to seeing if that helps.
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Detectors that are functionally stealth to RDDs
Neoline X-COP 9100s (dashcam/RD hybrid) - note same RD internals as Radenso Pro-M / Genevo One M

Tested against Spectre III and IV

I have a loaner Genevo One M with me at the moment - I'll test vs Spectre III tomorrow, but suspect it will be the same as its sibling, the Radenso Pro-M
 
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I can detect my R3 at least 20 feet away. I wouldn't consider it functionality stealth.
Can you post a video? I wonder if the same applies to the DFR6/7/8/9?
 

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Going on @Vortex most recent results, I think it can be argued the R3 against the Spectre 3 is stealth in some units of the R3 but not all.
I wonder if its dependent on what the internals have for it being undetected or not. I do wonder if its dependent on that, or where you buy it. Etc.
 

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Has anyone tested the Cobra RoadScout yet? If the detector part is the same as the DSP9200BT I'd expect that to be functionally stealth as well. Based on the FCC filings, the RF boards look nearly identical (and both use WB LNAs).
 

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This is a work in progress. Please let me know if you spot any omissions or have links to additional results.

Detectors that are functionally stealth to RDDs
Escort Redline
Escort Redline EX
Escort Redline 360c
Escort Max Ci 360
Beltronics Magnum
Beltronics STiR
Genevo One M
Neoline X-Cop 9100s
Radenso Pro M
Radenso RPSE
Radenso SP, XP
Stinger VIP
Valentine 1 Gen2

Detectors that are only detectable at very close range
Cobra DSP9200BT
NetRadar DSP
Radenso RC-M
Uniden DFR6, DFR7, DFR8, DFR9
Uniden R1, R3
Uniden R7*

*(Spectre testing with the Uniden R7 has been highly variable, with results ranging from functionally stealth to detectable at several hundred feet. See references below.)

Detectors that are not stealth
Cobra DualPro
Beltronics GT-360
Escort Max, Max2, Max II
Escort Max360, Max360c
Valentine 1

Detectors that are detectable from a long distance
Most Cobras
Whistlers
K40
Rocky Mountain Radar
Batman Detector


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Thanks for compiling all this data. My only quibble might with your categories.

I would use one category called stealth: (these are demonstrated to not alert on an RDD unless placed antenna to antenna and maybe not even then)
RL-O
RL EX
V1G2
RL360c
Beltronics Magnum
Beltronics STiR
Stinger

Then have a "functionally stealth" category with units like the others you have listed since they can and do alert on an RDD albeit at very close ranges.
 

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This is a work in progress. Please let me know if you spot any omissions or have links to additional results.

Detectors that are functionally stealth to RDDs
Escort Redline
Escort Redline EX
Escort Redline 360c
Escort Max Ci 360
Beltronics Magnum
Beltronics STiR
Genevo One M
Neoline X-Cop 9100s
Radenso Pro M
Radenso RPSE
Radenso SP, XP
Stinger VIP
Valentine 1 Gen2

Detectors that are only detectable at very close range
Cobra DSP9200BT
NetRadar DSP
Radenso RC-M
Uniden DFR6, DFR7, DFR8, DFR9
Uniden R1, R3
Uniden R7*

*(Spectre testing with the Uniden R7 has been highly variable, with results ranging from functionally stealth to detectable at several hundred feet. See references below.)

Detectors that are not stealth
Cobra DualPro
Beltronics GT-360
Escort Max, Max2, Max II
Escort Max360, Max360c
Valentine 1

Detectors that are detectable from a long distance
Most Cobras
Whistlers
K40
Rocky Mountain Radar
Batman Detector


References
Great job, thanks!
 

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Ok, a quick mini RDD test the other afternoon. RD's mounted centre windshield in my car (stationary), me outside with the Spectre III on max sensitivity, doing a walkabout..

I was testing @Dragons R3 (NZ/A) he'd kindly sent me for testing, so thought I would compare against my R3 and some of my other RD's. The R3's S/N was a reasonably early 7A.

Dragons R3 - first alert out to front at about 8m (26') . First alert perpendicular and 45 deg to front direction of travel - about 15m (49').

My R3 (8A S/N manufacturer refurb, ebay) - first alert out to front at about 11m (36'). First alert perpendicular and 45 deg to front direction of travel - about 25m (82')

Didn't have my original 7A S/N R3 to test (BRD R3 launch model), as it was out with my wife ! I quickly pinged her car with the Spectre as she drove back in the drive, and I suspected it was less detectable than my 8A R3, but need to re-confirm.

The R3's seem to have much more leakage to the side than front, which is why HWP might get a brief sniff when passing on single carriageway road, side by side. First alert is usually just the first one or two green lights as a blip, you need to get much closer to set off the red lights.

My Radenso Pro M (RM087) was around 3 to 4 m (10 to 13') to front and side.

My R7 (9A, early 3000's S/N) seems to be a good'un, only a couple of metres (7') detection front and side - I'm keeping that one !

My Neoline X-COP 9100s was about 1 metre (3') more than Pro M, plus it looks like a dash cam (and also is one). It has a key press sequence to disable radar functionality, but will need to test again to see if it actually kills the detectability as well.

Loaner Whistler Pro 93 GXi was pretty detectable at >25m (82'), I didn't bother to max it out. Interestingly, it was alerting silently to FSDR (Field Sensor Disturbance Rejection) at high strength when I had the Spectre near it. This is Whistlers K band BSM filter, which actually works very well, even on GM's (our Holden Commodore).

DFR7 (9A, late 2000's S/N) was pretty respectable, similar to Dragons R3, which was a pleasant surprise as it only cost me $129 from BuyDig !

Still looks like Unidens have too much variance on stealth for comfort in banned areas.
 

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On the latest eBay Escort listing for a batch of Bel GT360s, they claim it is VG2 and more immune. :) Maybe it has 25X CPU over the historical original Escort. :)
 

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