Redline 360c's poor ramp-up and arrow flipping

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Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say that? I haven’t had one in my hands yet, so I’m relying on insights and descriptions from people like you.
It looks good feels solid in the hands.
 

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Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say that? I haven’t had one in my hands yet, so I’m relying on insights and descriptions from people like you.

I'll venture to say that it's way too early to say the R360c has good build quality. I mean, it took a little bit before the V1G2 screen issues and power issues came into play. So it may be too early to tout the R360c for having "good build quality."

But hey, I'd still take a separating screen and a chance it may just die and never turn on again before buying a "permanent I/O" detector for $750!
 

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It looks good feels solid in the hands.
Ok, cool. I’ve taken apart some electronic gadgets before and found chunks of metal for a kind of “ballast” to make it feel weightier since many people still equate being heavy with being good. I don’t require heaviness in a detector and remain unsure whether that’s legitimately an indicator of any kind of build quality.
 

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Just some merits of the build quality that I observed:

1. Seams on the unit were even and consistent.
2. Good looking, solid case, buttons all firm, consistent action on the buttons.
3. The mini-usb and rj-11 connector had tight fit, nothing loose or wobbly.
4. Display was bright, legible.
5. Sound quality was very good. Voice was improved from 360c, or at least deeper, richer sounding alerts. (Doesn't convey in videos, but compared to Max 360c, sounded "better")
6. Mag mount continues to be very stable, great way of attaching.

If there are build quality issues inside, I would never know. How well it will hold up will be important to me as we get some very hot days here in Arizona, so I expect when I get my replacement I will get a chance to see how it holds up. On the surface at least, calling this a well built unit I think is fair.
 

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Ok, cool. I’ve taken apart some electronic gadgets before and found chunks of metal for a kind of “ballast” to make it feel weightier since many people still equate being heavy with being good. I don’t require heaviness in a detector and remain unsure whether that’s legitimately an indicator of any kind of build quality.
Its purely subjective. I just got it today. It doesn't feel cheap. Kinda like when you first lay eyes on a woman. You make some quick judgments until you get to know her. You know she felt good in the hands when we were dancing.
 

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I assumed the arrows would be bad given the very different front and rear horns on this thing, but hot damn that rampup is the worst I've ever seen. The Redline name has a history of bad rampup, but thats downright shameful on a detector that costs as much as it does.

Yeah, had me at all that judgement stated..... imbalance to that design.
 

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Yeah, had me at all that judgement stated..... imbalance to that design.

It’s still surprising though. I mean if the front and rear horns have different levels of sensitivity, you should be able to accommodate, right?

Instead of giving the front and rear antennas an equal 50/50 weight, you’d offset things based on the inherent sensitivity of different horns.

The Max360 and MaxCi360 have different horns front and rear and Escort has figured that out.

Maybe there’s something with a really sensitive horn for the front and a weak horn for the rear? I think this is the first time they’ve done that.
 
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It’s still surpassing though. I mean if the front and rear horns have different levels of sensitivity, you should be able to accommodate, right?

Instead of giving the front and rear antennas an equal 50/50 weight, you’d offset things based on the inherent sensitivity of different horns.

The Max360 and MaxCi360 have different horns front and rear and Escort has figured that out.

Maybe there’s something with a really sensitive horn for the front and a weak horn for the rear? I think this is the first time they’ve done that.

In my opinion you are absolutely right and it's not a hardware issue, but rather a software issue. Out of all the problems, I am confident they can fix this one in particular in software in the future (if they bother trying to).
 

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It’s still surpassing though. I mean if the front and rear horns have different levels of sensitivity, you should be able to accommodate, right?

Instead of giving the front and rear antennas an equal 50/50 weight, you’d offset things based on the inherent sensitivity of different horns.

The Max360 and MaxCi360 have different horns front and rear and Escort has figured that out.

Maybe there’s something with a really sensitive horn for the front and a weak horn for the rear? I think this is the first time they’ve done that.

I would agree that they have something to build on, but level me wondering... as other platforms of 360 that fail to find that "balance" as said...... curious why.

I would like to see that platform succeed, as they grabbed from another of... not Val1.... but, regardless, nice to see that up too with an R series and V1 newer.. miss that chance to have.
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What bothers me is when Escort released the Redline360c; were they aware of all these issues or weren’t they?

If they weren’t aware then it is indicative of sub-standard business practices. A flawed design coupled with minimal testing. To be blunt all of the issues were readily found; none of them were ‘bugs’ found under specific or certain conditions. It’s as if all that mattered was schedule — get a new detector on the market to compete with V1G2 and before Radenso releases Theia.

If they were aware of the issues then it is really a question of ethics — putting a flawed product on the market where all that matters is generating sales. All of the marketing claims were an overreach at best: AI, twice the range, etc. It also concerns me Escort has claimed a new firmware release is imminent. If that’s the case then why not hold off the release of the detector until the ‘good’ firmware is available? If Escort truly cared, wouldn’t they fix all known issues before releasing it to the public?

Either way Escort is no longer a ‘top tier’ company in my humble opinion.

What I am thinking here, is if they find that sauce beforehand with an update, or "adequate" alerting to, it should allow you to slow within reason not to either have PoPo on yeah, or just payout on said above PSL..... now read that find print on how much they will.
 
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It’s still surprising though. I mean if the front and rear horns have different levels of sensitivity, you should be able to accommodate, right?

Instead of giving the front and rear antennas an equal 50/50 weight, you’d offset things based on the inherent sensitivity of different horns.

The Max360 and MaxCi360 have different horns front and rear and Escort has figured that out.

Maybe there’s something with a really sensitive horn for the front and a weak horn for the rear? I think this is the first time they’ve done that.
I just watched your latest video..... you absolutely nailed it.
It was hopefully the kick in the pants they need to deliver. No punches pulled.
Bravo.
 

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I just watched your latest video..... you absolutely nailed it.
It was hopefully the kick in the pants they need to deliver. No punches pulled.
Bravo.

Heywood - 1000% agreed. Authentic feedback is a gift. Vortex gave Escort the gift of feedback. If they are savvy, they will take that gift, thank him, and act on it positively to resolve the issues with product, process, and perception.

Alternatively, they may choose to reject that gift in which case they will be leaving lots of money on the table, and their investors are not savvy at all. How this product issue is solved may tell you a lot about the holding company and the private equity behind it.
 

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There is no hate for Escort from me. I'll confess a soft spot for the company that was once Cincinnati Microwave. There's a road to success here.

Escort, fix the R360c! Fix the rampup, the arrows, and do the best you can with BSM. If you can't fix the rampup and arrows and I mean soon, you're in the wrong business.

Make this RD perform somewhere competitive with R7 and G2. If you can't out-range them, get close then beat them with the patented features. Stop making bullshit marketing claims. Do this and the hazing will subside. People will let the release problems go if you handle it.

We all want to see it happen. Good luck!
 

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