Redline 360c Red Barn Testing, 6-14-20

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Alright, so time to take a look at some Redline 360c testing at the red barn course.

Redline 360c at the Red Barn course.jpg


Here's the full lineup:

Escort Redline 360c (fw 1.2)
Escort Redline EX (fw 1.15) thanks to @BestRadarDetectors for sending over the EX!
Escort Redline (BS/RDR) thanks to @smokinu454 for sending over your O!
Escort Max 360c (fw 1.11)
Escort Max Ci 360 (fw 1.10)
Uniden R7 (fw 1.29)
Valentine 1 Gen2 (fw 4.1018)
Radenso Pro M (fw US 22)

The radar car was parked behind a huge bush to block a bunch of the signal. It didn't help too much it turns out since these are all super sensitive detectors, but it did make for a super short kill zone.

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Weather was clear and traffic was light throughout the day.

Here's a look at the test course itself. I've marked both the radar car and red barn on either end. On this map we do front detections driving from left to right towards the radar gun. There's two spots now marked on the map where detectors commonly alerted. The longer ~2200' location is shortly after the red barn. Then there's a bend you come around where you clear the trees to your right and ~1500' there's another common detection zone.

Red Barn test course with alert locations.jpg


33.8 Front Results:

Let's start with 33.8 results for front detection.

Redline 360c Red Barn 33.8 Front Results.png

Vortex's 33.8 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Vortex's 33.8 Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Detectors basically split up between two groups.

The longest range detectors were the Max Ci 360 (which beat out everything else), the V1 Gen2, RL360c, and R7.

In the lower half, we had the RL O, RL EX, Max 360c, and Pro M.

33.8 Rear Results:

We also did some rear testing, measuring until the last beep of the detector while the radar gun keeps hitting us from behind. It's not a perfect way to test since there's always a question of the latch time, but it was pretty straightforward to test while we drove back to the start of the course.

Redline 360c Red Barn 33.8 Rear Results.png

Vortex's 33.8 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png


Vortex's 33.8 (Rear) Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

The V1 Gen2's rear horn did awesome. The R7 and Max 360c did well too, with one shorter run for the R7. The R7's rear bal was set to 100%.

The RL 360c had pretty poor and inconsistent rear detections, despite its rear horn.

The rear antenna overall sucks. Throughout the test I got poor detection range, super late arrow flipping, or no rear arrow flip at all. I'll post up videos later to show the difference. The other arrow detectors all flipped nicely when passing the radar gun, but not the RL 360c.

Escort says this is a known issue and that an update is coming to fix this. Regardless, I was surprised to see it as an issue in the first place given that Escort has done a bunch of arrow detectors already at this point. Hopefully the new firmware update really does fix this.

The RL360c did manage one longer rear detection, so there was at least that. The RL O also had a long rear detection, strangely enough. I'm guessing it was picking up a reflection from a vehicle ahead or something. Without arrows, I don't have a way to verify.

34.7 Front Results:

Redline 360c Red Barn 34.7 Front Results.png

Vortex's 34.7 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Vortex's 34.7 Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Things were super terrain limited against the Stalker. Most every detector alerted right as I rounded a bend towards the radar gun.

The RL 360c and R7 each managed one longer range detection just after the red barn, but otherwise they alerted in the same spot as the other detectors. (Technically the RL360c did it twice since I gave it 3 runs with KaSW and another 3 segged 2/5/8 to see if segmentation makes a difference.)

34.7 Rear Results:

Redline 360c Red Barn 34.7 Rear Results.png

Vortex's 34.7 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Vortex's 34.7 (Rear) Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Again, killer job by the V1 with its rear antenna.

Also good showing by the Max Ci 360 and R7.

Max 360c lagged behind, then the RL360c lagged further still.

The non-arrow detectors all landed towards the bottom as expected. The RL360c was hanging out with the non-arrow detectors, almost as if it didn't have a rear antenna at all.

35.5 Front Results:

35.5 started splitting up detectors as well since only some managed alerting shortly after the red barn.

Redline 360c Red Barn 35.5 Front Results.png

Vortex's 35.5 Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Vortex's 35.5 Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png


V1 Gen2 and RL360c (running Ka wide) both did great, with the V1 doing the best overall. R7 did as well, with one shorter run when a big moving truck drove towards me and blocked the signal from reaching the longer distance alert spot for run 3.

RL360c had some shorter runs with the detector set to 2/5/8. Escort told me segmentation is supposed to help, FWIW, but they're saying it doesn't do anything on ERF. If anything, I figured 2/5/8 would improve things. Maybe the shorter runs were also due to traffic? I dunno.

The Max Ci 360 and RL O also managed some longer distance alerts, with the O outperforming the EX.

The RL EX, Max 360c, and Pro M only had shorter distance alerts.

35.5 Rear Results:

Finally, here's the rear testing results. Again the V1 Gen2 crushed it.

Redline 360c Red Barn 35.5 Rear Results.png

Vortex's 35.5 (Rear) Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

Max Ci 360 and R7 also had some really nice rear detections. The RL360c mostly alerted behind the Max 360c, but it did manage two better alerts.

The bottom of the barrel again went mostly to the non-arrow detectors, but the RL360c was hanging out down there too.
and here's the averaged results to simplify things:
Vortex's 35.5 (Rear) Averaged Radar Detector Test Results, Red Barn Course, 6-14-20.png

We ran out of time to test K band so unfortunately we weren't able to do that.

A big thank you to @ferius for helping me both with testing, as well as with his amazing RD Test app! That app was invaluable for collecting all this data. :)

Speaking of which, here's the test data itself we collected. If you'd like to take a look at it, unzip the file and head over to the RD Test post-processing page. Use the top button to load in the datafile called "2020-06-15_08-10-45-rdtest-bundle.rtbundle" which is the raw data collected from the app. That'll load in exactly what we recorded on site.

There were some errors during the recording process which I've gone in and manually corrected afterwards. I think you're supposed to be able to load in the corrections by scrolling down, hitting "Import Project," and loading in "rdtest-project.json," but it doesn't seem to be adjusting things when I do that. Not sure why. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. Either way, if you then hit "Export all Markers," it'll copy the relevant data to your clipboard which you can paste into a spreadsheet.

Overall the RL360c did great in forward testing, better than it did in some previous tests, including some of my own. I think we need a lot more testing and data points to really get a feel for how it compares. As always, this is just one test on one course with one set of detectors. We gotta look at lots and lots of tests to get a feel for the big picture.

From this test, the RL360c does perform better than the Max360c and RL EX, at least up ahead. It doesn't decisively beat the R7 and V1 Gen2 ahead, but it did manage to hang with them many times.

The rear antenna sucks. We'll see how that evolves over time...

Now time to post this up so you guys can all check it out. I'll edit/update this in a bit.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to test! @Vortex
 

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Excellent work, a tremendous time investment as always. It appears that the terrain limited all of the top three detectors, and you would need a different course to see the separation between the V1G2/R7 and the R360C that other testers are reporting.
 

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I’m surprised the New redline performed the way that it did Given some of the other findings on the forum. however still not worth the $750 premium price. Good job v1g2. Good job max 360 and R7.

Interested in the future to see how the new redline would do with K band


Thanks for taking the time to do this and put it together.
 
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Thanks for your time, detailed testing and results!

Yeah, what’s up with the RL360c’s rear horn?!? Sucks is an understatement.
 

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Nice to see this test.... too bad a test or second RL360c was not available to see what a release version to update would of addressed.
 

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Excellent work, a tremendous time investment as always. It appears that the terrain limited all of the top three detectors, and you would need a different course to see the separation between the V1G2/R7 and the R360C that other testers are reporting.
I think it was due to the radar gun placement. I didn’t see things this terrain limited when testing with these exact guns and detectors previously.
 

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Definitely I advise new RL360c owners to run Ka Wide for now. Very consitent pattern showing 2/5/8 segmentation it falls off.

Unfortunate to have a few runs for the top detectors interfered with by traffic, it's so close one off run drops a detector in places.
I believe the terrain limiting allowed the detectors to ramp up quickly as a strong signal appeared suddenly.
Another test with a longer course for distance may show which detectors are good at picking up those early moon shots or I/O bursts in the distance.
Also a strong off axis course to compare difficult trap detections.
If the pattern continues for the RL360c over multitude of tests then Escort has a contender.
As long as it's not a shot in the back.
 

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Thank you very much for the test results.

But may I ask, why the Uniden R7 was not segmented 2/5/8, like the rest of the detectors?
 

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Thank you very much for the test results.

But may I ask, why the Uniden R7 was not segmented 2/5/8, like the rest of the detectors?
Ka Narrow is 2/5/8, just one single setting instead of letting you adjust segments individually.
 

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V1G2 claimed 4 out of six tests. You Valentine shill! Except that the other 2 were take by ER products in which case you were clearly shilling for Escort.

Does anyone else feel like @Jon at Radenso is pressing Vortex for a longer course because he is expecting very soon to present him with a detector that will need it? I bet Team Radenso is working such long days they're all gonna need a vacation after the launch business settles down.

Great work! Looking forward to the K band action. Thank you again.
 

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Great job @Vortex and @ferius!!! Lots of interesting data and some switching of places from the last test. Just goes to show you that things can change from test to test. I was scanning quickly, but I didn't notice any Rear Balance setting noted for the R7. Was it 100%
 
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