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Since there was a slight increase in chatter with photo radar, I thought I’d add this.

This is the Mesta Fusion that’s being used in Edmonton Alberta Canada. It made it’s introduction here February 2018 (Thanks @Dukes ) but it’s something to keep in mind.

It is K band, but uses 6 quick changing K band frequencies. It changes so fast, that all the detectors on the market.... as of today, can not detect it properly... or at all.

It’s primarily used for RLC and “Speed on Green” ( speeding through the intersection) here.

It also has the capabilities to have the guts removed and moved to another enclosure so you’ll never know with 100% certainty if it’s active or not.

As you can see from the video... it is capable of much more.

We have those aswell since 2016 or 2017 I think, they’re stationary at roads that usually have a huge amount of almost non moving traffic.
 

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Guys. Remember that RDF is a global site.

We have members from all over the world asking questions about various types of photo enforcement around the world.

UAE, Poland, Finland, Greece, China. Etc.

That’s what prompted me to make this post. A member from UAE posted a question if something he seen was MRCD or not. When searching “What types of enforcement were used in UAE” the Mesta Fusion showed up and I found this cool video on it and it’s capabilities.

Since it is already in Edmonton for a couple of years now.... and they’re adding more.... I thought it was a good idea to post it up.
And now a history review/lesson of why we should be very careful about what we say.

There is this 81 years old guy who worked as a journalists since 1960. In 1970 he founded a company (after being fired from his newspaper) which started publishing different magazines. Their first magazine was "4 wheels", the most well known automotive magazine in Greece. His company got bigger, many magazines published, they entered the computer era. Around 2000 he founded a printing house along with a guy who proved to be a gangster. He stole the company money and the printing house went bankrupt. The banks started to ask for their money and our honest editor was the only one left to get. About 2006 he was forced to sell his company and lost control of all the magazines along with a web page AND - this is getting interest - a forum about cars, the "4 wheels forum".

About that time (especially after 1996), when easy money in Greece led to more cars, speeding etc there was a forum like RDF called "bloka" or "speed traps" or "road blocks". There we talked about speed enforcement, counter measures etc. Due to a line of actions (many users, including myself, acting like fools) and pressure coming from the authorities the forum closed around 2007. Many users, especially the most knowledgeable ones, moved to "4 wheels forum".

And now it gets more interesting. Due to my political views and my beliefs about how citizens should live and how the state should be, I was the black sheep over there and, even though I kept giving them info about speed enforcement and counter measures, many users wanted me to leave. I had only one Ally, an administrator who was electrical engineer. After some time he revealed that he worked for a company that installs speed cameras in... UAE...!!!

After that I stopped uploading info about speed enforcement and counter measures. That was the sign they needed to move to the next step. I was provoked from users with the administration acting like their cover. No penalties to users swearing my parents, myself, not letting me write anything. Finally, they found an excuse and I was suspended. About that time they had many more problems about the economics of the company that managed the "4 wheels forum" and many users moved to a new forum called "petrolheads". I went there too and started giving info about speed enforcement and counter measures. All of a sudden I realized that old speed cams, detected with ease with legacy detectors became undetectable. Many speed cams I recorded changed, something not done during the past. Finally the truth came out. Even though many users, from the moment I subscribed, asked for my suspension (remember they were old "4 wheels forum" members), the owner and administrator of the forum refused to act against me. But why such an act of kindness? The reason is because he was also an electrical engineer working for the company that installs speed cams in Greece...!!!

What do we see here? 2 out of 2 Greek fora were administrated from guys working in companies installing speed enforcement equipment. That's why I left that forum immediately.

Your reply about Greece and UAE made me write this story and the similarities between UAE and Greece.
 
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member from UAE posted a question if something he seen was MRCD or not. When searching “What types of enforcement were used in UAE” the Mesta Fusion showed up and I found this cool video on it and it’s capabilities.

If anyone’s interested, you can read about the other types of photo radars they’ve got in the UAE, my favorite is the “Smart Controller” 😂
 

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I think a remember seeing a system from the UAE or Saudia Arabia with a similar system that used laser?
 

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I think a remember seeing a system from the UAE or Saudia Arabia with a similar system that used laser?
I’m not sure about Saudia Arabia but, almost all mobile units are Lidar based in the UAE, and the fixed ones are radar based, there are other fixed ones that use laser aswell like this radar which from VITRONIC, a Germany company I think.
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I’m not sure about Saudia Arabia but, almost all mobile units are Lidar based in the UAE, and the fixed ones are radar based, there are other fixed ones that use laser aswell like this radar which from VITRONIC, a Germany company I think.
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Yeah, that's Poliscan from Vitronic in a fixed tower, which is a 3D scanning lidar (laser)
 

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These can be easily jammed by ALP if I’m not mistaken right?
Correct, although rear heads will need to be angled out 35 - 45 degrees, and fronts max 10 degrees out. May take trial and error with positioning etc
 

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Since there was a slight increase in chatter with photo radar, I thought I’d add this.

This is the Mesta Fusion that’s being used in Edmonton Alberta Canada. It made it’s introduction here February 2018 (Thanks @Dukes ) but it’s something to keep in mind.

It is K band, but uses 6 quick changing K band frequencies. It changes so fast, that all the detectors on the market.... as of today, can not detect it properly... or at all.

It’s primarily used for RLC and “Speed on Green” ( speeding through the intersection) here.

It also has the capabilities to have the guts removed and moved to another enclosure so you’ll never know with 100% certainty if it’s active or not.

As you can see from the video... it is capable of much more.

nasty stuff. Wow
 

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Correct, although rear heads will need to be angled out 35 - 45 degrees, and fronts max 10 degrees out. May take trial and error with positioning etc
If the photo radar was front-faced the setup shouldn’t be too difficult?
 

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If the photo radar was front-faced the setup shouldn’t be too difficult?
Correct, front facing poliscan lidar / laser is much more straightforward as you get much more detection range, and ALP has more time to work its magic. Rear facing is more hit and miss, as Poliscan can start readings/calcs just 10m after you pass the cam, and will usually nail you about 30 - 40m afterwards, which happens very quickly at highway speeds
 
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Police State for sure!
Yeah, but those types of systems are pretty useful in other things (tailgating, weaving in and out of traffic, etc.) and if they were mainly used for things other than speeding it would’ve been a great system.

We also have photo radars that has facial recognition & VIN identifier so NoPhoto & prodb would be absolutely useless, unless you just buy an unregistered car and fully tint all windows including the windshield and drive with no plates which is a headache on its own.
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Correct, front facing poliscan lidar / laser is much more straightforward as you get much more detection range, and ALP has more time to work its magic. Rear facing is more hit and miss, as Poliscan can start readings/calcs just 10m after you pass the cam, and will usually nail you about 30 - 40m afterwards, which happens very quickly at highway speeds
I just realized.. everytime I drive home from university I pass three Mesta Fusion radars which are placed on the highway, they look kinda different in person than the video, maybe because LEO here didn’t bother with buying newer ones?

Edit: what if a mobile poliscan is placed behind a street light but it’s front faced, can ALP jam those?
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Like this video (at 0:05 mark):

 
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Edit: what if a mobile poliscan is placed behind a street light but it’s front faced, can ALP jam those?
It's a 3D scanning laser sweeping the road way, and not a focused narrow beam like a hand held lidar gun.

Hence, I think if it can acquire your speed from your car, the ALP will also see enough of the laser transmitted, and do its stuff, as long as you can get a detection and start jamming before its 75m max range, you should be Ok with a front facer.

One of mine, stuck behind a bush to minimise early visual and laser detection;


Hope we're not going too OT from Mesta Fusion here :)
 

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It's a 3D scanning laser sweeping the road way, and not a focused narrow beam like a hand held lidar gun.

Hence, I think if it can acquire your speed from your car, the ALP will also see enough of the laser transmitted, and do its stuff, as long as you can get a detection and start jamming before its 75m max range, you should be Ok with a front facer.

One of mine, stuck behind a bush to minimise early visual and laser detection;


Hope we're not going too OT from Mesta Fusion here :)
We probably have gone a little off topic sorry 😂, but i just want to say I took a look at that post and it looked like a pretty sneaky spot.

Alright, hopefully no more OT posts here😅
 

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