Thoughts so Far on V1G2

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Been driving aroud exclusively with the new V1G2 for over a week now and a few alerts that I was impressed with and one or two that I was unsure of....Waited till I could test my V1G2 against my R series detectors (R1, R3, and R7) before saying anything. Early this morning I set up a course that is used in my area by local LEO's. Parked the vehicle to be used for the radar guns in almost the exact spot as they set up in. It is a very solid test for a detector with challenging terrain. Not a course that you are going to get long alerts (wow, moon, etc.) but conditions I encounter daily. Kill zone is very short (approx 200Ft.).

Was mainly interested in K band and how to optimize the V1G2 to my liking but decided to bring all to the dance.
Decatur Genisis 1 K Band
Kustom Signals Golden Eagle 35.5
Stalker II MDR 34.7

Made one run each (all detectors ) on both KA guns and all of them alerted within 20 feet of each. Driving both directions (Into the front facing radar and also approaching opposite direction). Nothing to note on either direction as the front horn was stellar on all of these units. Rear horns were equally impressive on both R7 and V1G2 although I would actually give the nod to V1G2 on K band and the R7 on 34.7 rear horns. But here again this was not what I was wanting to find out but very glad i brought the KA guns as well.

K Band

I run my R detectors full throttle on K band because of terrain on my daily drives. So all were no filters and highway. I had updated the software to 1.53 on the R1 and R3 and the R7 was rocking the latest 1.29. The V1G2 was set to what I had been driving around with the last 3 days (Little "L" K verifier on). Made one quick run with each again. Here again all four detectors shined and was all within 20 feet of each other.

Having created these profiles before I left the house this morning it was time to put them through the paces.

A, K ver on
A, K ver off
l, K ver on
l, K ver off
L, K ver on
L, K ver off

Here is where I thought I would see more of a difference toggling K ver off and on. But thinking back on it now, since traffic was practically nil, there was nothing to verify (only one source, no pollution from BSM's etc) so I was losing nothing in response time (atleast on this course). There was no difference in distance alerting on any of the profiles listed above toggling K ver on and off. However, both of the L profiles (Advanced Logic) alerted approximately 200 ft shorter than the A and little l profiles.

In conclusion, this is my first time to ever set up a test. All I know how to do is power the radar guns up point them down the road and see what happens. So take all of this with a grain of salt.

I will say though, I now have a fourth detector (V1G2) , that I am very comfortable being my daily driver.

And JBV1, how in the heck have I gone this long without using this app. Yes I retired my V1G1 when the R series hit the market but only after using it a little over a week I do not think I can be without now.

Note: I will post a video of the course and a couple of runs sometimes in the next few days.

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Updated/Edited 03/23/2020

Video added to show the course. This is the very first run of that day. V1G2 vs 35.5. Notice where the alert starts. This is where all detectors on all bands alerted (feet apart if any). Only V1G2 against K Band on Advance Logic alerted after this power pole (on right). Same spot on after pole with K verifier on and off.

Video ends right at the point you can see the white stake bed truck on left. That's where radar gun was located.

The power pole on right (where all detectors alert right before getting to it) is almost exactly 1/2 mile on the odometer.

Next time I will angle gun more to see if I can separate these detectors. I really did not think I would need to due to all the trees etc. Chalk it up to rookie tester.

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GR Test Course

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Updated Edited 03/26/2020

Radar facing away.


V1G2 vs K Band (Advanced Logic Mode (Big L)

 
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Very nice to hear, and thanks for testing! @Vortex mentioned in his testing that he had to adjust his course just slightly to induce a separation.

A lot of these top dog detectors can and will perform really similarly on a lot of encounters because they are physically limited to the point that the signal is only realistically detectable by them at the same point.

From what I've seen, range-wise, the danger of K-Verifier will likely apply to guns like Falcon HRs which seem to have some sort of modulation scheme and the V1G2 has to wait for the signal to get a bit stronger before determining whether or not it's a BSM.

With big-L, it's unpredictable. If big-L thinks that your K band gun is a door opener for whatever reason, it will substantially delay alerting. Sometimes it waits as long as for a signal to grow to half strength. Valentine said in the manual that the failsafe is it always lets through "strong" signals. In my experience, "strong" = 3 or 4 bars out of 6. However, other times, I've had big-L let a speed sign through at 1 or 2 bars. In those cases I would have guessed A mode would've alerted at very close to the same spot.
 

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Very nice to hear, and thanks for testing! @Vortex mentioned in his testing that he had to adjust his course just slightly to induce a separation.

A lot of these top dog detectors can and will perform really similarly on a lot of encounters because they are physically limited to the point that the signal is only realistically detectable by them at the same point.

From what I've seen, range-wise, the danger of K-Verifier will likely apply to guns like Falcon HRs which seem to have some sort of modulation scheme and the V1G2 has to wait for the signal to get a bit stronger before determining whether or not it's a BSM.

With big-L, it's unpredictable. If big-L thinks that your K band gun is a door opener for whatever reason, it will substantially delay alerting. Sometimes it waits as long as for a signal to grow to half strength. Valentine said in the manual that the failsafe is it always lets through "strong" signals. In my experience, "strong" = 3 or 4 bars out of 6. However, other times, I've had big-L let a speed sign through at 1 or 2 bars. In those cases I would have guessed A mode would've alerted at very close to the same spot.
Thanks for the comments and the food for thought...Great info and very helpful in breaking down the G2's approach on K band.

Anytime someone mentions guns like Falcon HR's I get worried. There is one low power K band gun around here (have not seen it up close) that is super hard especially in the terrain it travels.

Next time I will angle it more and see if I can get a little more seperation.
 

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thanks for taking the time to do this. When I lived in Alabama, my local PD used K band and it was always almost no warning at all, with the R3 even, until last second.
Appreciate these and looking forward to video.
 

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thanks for taking the time to do this. When I lived in Alabama, my local PD used K band and it was always almost no warning at all, with the R3 even, until last second.
LOL...Indeed....Same here....No "moon shot" detections around here...
 

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LOL...Indeed....Same here....No "moon shot" detections around here...
Where we stay in Texas during the winter there is K band being used, I know all the frequencies they use because of JBV1 logs. I just use boxes to alert me to those frequencies.

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Where we stay in Texas during the winter there is K band being used, I know all the frequencies they use because of JBV1 logs. I just use boxes to alert me to those frequencies.
what if the frequency strays a little bit?
 

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what if the frequency strays a little bit?
I allow for that, same as when you set up custom sweeps. Such as 24.112 to 24.119, which allows for variances that our locals use.

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Updated/Edited 03/23/2020

Video added to show the course. This is the very first run of that day. V1G2 vs 35.5. Notice where the alert starts. This is where all detectors on all bands alerted (feet apart if any). Only V1G2 against K Band on Advance Logic alerted after this power pole (on right). Same spot after pole with K verifier on and off.

Video ends right at the point you can see the white stake bed truck on left. That's where radar gun was located.

The power pole on right (where all detectors alert right before getting to it) is almost exactly 1/2 mile on the odometer.

Next time I will angle gun more to see if I can seperate these detectors. I really did not think I would need to due to all the trees etc. Chalk it up to rookie tester.

Click link Below

GR Test Course
 
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@croup - Are you sure the first alert in your K-band video was K-band? Didn't sound like a K-band chirp to me.
 

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I'm convinced too. 90 degree off axis, 500 metres to the intersection, then 600 metres to the cop. Tough terrain as well.
 

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That first alert was a beep, not a brap. Seemed like lots of detectors operating simultaneously and in close proximity to each other in the Ka video. Thanks for testing!

I've been thinking about how to do a meaningful IO K band test. Maybe test for CO first. Then move the test car back a given distance from the longest CO alert and see if the RD will alert to 3 second IO blasts further than it picked up CO. But it wouldn't be a moving test, radar and test car stationary for IO.
 

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That first alert was a beep, not a brap. Seemed like lots of detectors operating simultaneously and in close proximity to each other in the Ka video. Thanks for testing!

I've been thinking about how to do a meaningful IO K band test. Maybe test for CO first. Then move the test car back a given distance from the longest CO alert and see if the RD will alert to 3 second IO blasts further than it picked up CO. But it wouldn't be a moving test, radar and test car stationary for IO.
You are correct and needs to be amended in that video (K Band Advanced Logic Mode)…That's why my sigh shortly after you hear that initial beep was me groaning because it was not alerting yet....But in my haste days later after editing and posting I made the mistake of calling it the first alert. Good catch...

In the KA video, indeed the 9500ci remote was still running, which you do first hear chiming in around 18 seconds in, it was turned off though after that video which was the backend of the first run.
 

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I came from an R3 to my current V1G2. Very pleased so far as it seems much quieter than the R3, and honestly, probably a better made higher quality piece of equipment. Useful range seems about the same, which is fine with me as my R3 is a very sensitive detector that has amazed me on more than one occasion. I love the arrows of the V1G2, however. I am running the V1G2 with V1Driver (I use an iPhone 11) and it pairs up instantly every time in the background. One thing about the R3 I do miss is the ability to have different tones for different bands of radar (i.e. ka, k, laser). Leaves no doubt as to what type of radar you are picking up. But all in all, I will be keeping my V1G2.
 

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I came from an R3 to my current V1G2. Very pleased so far as it seems much quieter than the R3, and honestly, probably a better made higher quality piece of equipment. Useful range seems about the same, which is fine with me as my R3 is a very sensitive detector that has amazed me on more than one occasion. I love the arrows of the V1G2, however. I am running the V1G2 with V1Driver (I use an iPhone 11) and it pairs up instantly every time in the background. One thing about the R3 I do miss is the ability to have different tones for different bands of radar (i.e. ka, k, laser). Leaves no doubt as to what type of radar you are picking up. But all in all, I will be keeping my V1G2.
Glad you brought that up. I am also coming from an R1 where I had KA set to a robotic barking dog tone- #8.

maybe on the V1 there are different brap tones for K and Ka but I can’t tell a difference either.
 

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