My early V1G2 Impressions

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I've had my V1G2 for about 24 hours and am ready to start sharing some initial impressions. I'll just break them down into categories based off what I think people are most interested in:

Construction / Build / Physical Design:
10/10
Still everything we love about the V1G1! It's so lightweight yet feels sturdy, makes the R7 feel like a brick in comparison (no offense!). The screen filter is a nice improvement for readability but I'm not a huge fan of the purple/violet hue in the sun.

Seriously, this made me realize how much I've disliked the overall shift to OLED screens. I've really missed the way that the V1 "lights up" and is so visible when there's an alert but is otherwise chill. It makes it a lot easier to tell out of the corner of my eye whether or not the V1 is doing something.

Unfortunately, one gripe is that the V1's suction cups are no longer competitive with the industry. Everyone else has started offering an adhesive StickyCup equivalent. I had a lot of trouble getting the included suction cups to stick well.

Range/Responsiveness:
Not going to comment on this; I haven't done any formal testing and I defer to the much better available testing on this!

BSM Filtering:
8/10 in "A", 9-10/10 in "L"

So far this is hands-down the best BSM filtering detector I've owned, taking the crown from my Max Ci 360. In A or little L, K Verifier blocks almost all BSMs, except for brief and low strength PT's from the most troublesome of cars that affects every detector on the market.

In big L mode, the BSMs that PT almost never are strong enough to show on screen in big L.

Unfortunately this seems slightly inconsistent, as sometimes when the detector is already alerting to some other K source, it seems like BSM bogeys more easily sneak past big L.

Stationary K Door Opener Filtering:
1 to 5 out of 10, in Big L when not using apps/SAVVY

Honestly this is such a mixed bag. Sometimes, I pull into a shopping center and the thing is DEAD SILENT unless I point it right at a door opener point blank and it lets the alert through.

Other times I start backing out of a parking spot and BOOM 1 K bogey to the rear, 1 bar, breaks through big-L. It's a super weak door opener signal behind me but somehow it still breaks through.

The way the V1 handles stationary K falses is so inconsistent that it's been difficult for me to understand what it's trying to do. I don't recommend having high expectations in this regard.

Laser Filtering:
0 out of 10 :(
We have another thread on this, but for me LIDAR falsing is horribly bad. It picks up Velodyne LIDAR pucks from half a block away. It falses to toll booth IR illuminators, certain oncoming HID headlights, direct sunlight, etc.

I'm going to be turning off LIDAR again soon -- unfortunately without more filtering, this is outright unusable in my driving area. I highly recommend VR engineers to take pity on those of us that live in areas where LIDAR vehicles are being used. Other detectors have made better filtering trade offs, the V1 really needs a "Junk LIDAR Fighter" toggle.

Ka Filtering:
7 out of 10?

Not nearly as good as the Max Ci which gets similar Ka range and almost zero Ka falsing.... I've gotten a few oddball 1-dot Ka falses at completely off-tune frequencies. Luckily the frequency made it obvious that it's not a real threat.

I still criticize the R1/R3/R7 here: On a drive to Las Vegas, my R7 STILL to this day gives me one or two 34.699 1 blip alerts that never come to fruition. In my mind these are false alarms but of course we can argue all day about whether or not it could've been an extremely weak LEO, but falses at off-tune frequencies is better than falses at on-tune frequencies.

Still though, I think the acceptable number of non-LEO Ka falses should be 0. This is seriously one area where my Max Ci has spoiled me.

NOTE: Others have widely documented that the rear horn seems to have a propensity to generate ghost Ka bogeys in the presence of a strong radar source. I've not personally seen that yet but considering the multiple reports, I'm sure that if I encounter more Ka band I would've seen it too.


Biggest Takeways:
Valentine Research, if you're listening for feedback, in priority order, my feedback currently is:
  1. Consider adding some LIDAR filtering. You've got the best laser optics in the RD industry, clearly as a company you care about passive LIDAR protection. Unfortunately without filtering, it's just too noisy to use where I live, and it seems like others are in similar situations.
  2. Please investigate/address the weak Ka falses as well as the lingering Ka ghosts to K alerts or duplicate Ka alerts when passing a bogey.
  3. Please give us some more tools for dealing with stationary K band falses that don't depend on an app. For example, the previous timer/strength based K muting is much missed...
 
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Thank you. Can't wait for mine to arrive tomorrow.
 

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Honestly, as with the old V1, having laser on this device is useless with all the falsing and it kind of annoys me that we have to pay for it.
 

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Thanks for your impressions, jdong, and it's great to have you back actively participating. I have two observations to make, based on my experiences with the V1G2 so far relative to yours.

1) Given the ability to run either V1 Connection in background mode with e-SAVVY enabled or in my case running the beta update of V1 Driver, I have gotten only a very few random stationary K-band alerts from sources not previously auto-locked out with V1 Driver when I was using my V1G1. Yes, I know Mike V would disapprove of any auto-lockouts (LOL).

2) I am not having the laser falsing issues that you (and others) are seeing. I have had one laser alert to a laser source that is not a laser speed measuring device (based on no laser alerts from my ALP system). I'm pretty sure this was a laser-based cruise control system on another car based on the way it came and went.

My observations are based on approximately 300 miles of driving in the metro Houston area since I got my V1G2 a week ago today.
 

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Great summary! I was especially surprised to hear you mention the suction cup issues. My G2 fell off my WS last night and I figured maybe it was just me taking it down and putting it back up all the time. Sounds like it still occurs in more traditional situations as well.

but yeah, I agree with basically everything you've shared here and am happy to hear you've also experimented with big L mode too with good results.
 

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Great summary! I was especially surprised to hear you mention the suction cup issues. My G2 fell off my WS last night and I figured maybe it was just me taking it down and putting it back up all the time. Sounds like it still occurs in more traditional situations as well.

but yeah, I agree with basically everything you've shared here and am happy to hear you've also experimented with big L mode too with good results.
Wow, maybe there's something going on with the suction cups indeed. I could've sworn my original V1's suction cups worked for months before starting to fall off like crazy. I saw in the box that there might've been 2 larger suction cups, maybe those work better than the smaller but more conical ones? Either way, I've got a BlendMount coming and that'll be my solution.

Glad to hear that our observations are consistent! I really think this detector in big L could be a winner, but it's hard to ignore the rear antenna ghosting and the occasional inconsistency around big-L behavior. I'm really hoping that's fixable in the near future.
 

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Regarding the suction cup, nothin’ like a Carolina sun to bake the cups to the windshield. But thanks for the tip, I might take mine down tonight
 

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Strangely, I've never had issues with any of the standard size Valentine suction cups... I leave them up for a year or so at a time and clean the entire windshield really good when I take them down. I park outside 24/7, multiple cars over 20 years. I don't know... :unsure:
 

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Sad to say that VR has come up with the gen 2 and still no automute feature. I don't really know what VR is thinking without this feature after so many decades in the market.
 

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Unfortunately, one gripe is that the V1's suction cups are no longer competitive with the industry. Everyone else has started offering an adhesive StickyCup equivalent. I had a lot of trouble getting the included suction cups to stick well.
Did you thoroughly clean the screen, and the cups? If mine ever fall off, it's due to a build up of crud where the cups sit.
 

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Sad to say that VR has come up with the gen 2 and still no automute feature. I don't really know what VR is thinking without this feature after so many decades in the market.
Pretty sure this is by design and completely intentional. You have to acknowledge the alert in order to mute the detector.
 

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Did you thoroughly clean the screen, and the cups? If mine ever fall off, it's due to a build up of crud where the cups sit.
Absolutely, no problems with mine, they have been on my windshield for a week now. I clean the glass with aerosol glass cleaner, some 00 steel wool and finish with a paper towel.
 

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I've had my V1G2 for about 24 hours and am ready to start sharing some initial impressions. I'll just break them down into categories based off what I think people are most interested in:

Construction / Build / Physical Design:
10/10
Still everything we love about the V1G1! It's so lightweight yet feels sturdy, makes the R7 feel like a brick in comparison (no offense!). The screen filter is a nice improvement for readability but I'm not a huge fan of the purple/violet hue in the sun.

Seriously, this made me realize how much I've disliked the overall shift to OLED screens. I've really missed the way that the V1 "lights up" and is so visible when there's an alert but is otherwise chill. It makes it a lot easier to tell out of the corner of my eye whether or not the V1 is doing something.

Unfortunately, one gripe is that the V1's suction cups are no longer competitive with the industry. Everyone else has started offering an adhesive StickyCup equivalent. I had a lot of trouble getting the included suction cups to stick well.

Range/Responsiveness:
Not going to comment on this; I haven't done any formal testing and I defer to the much better available testing on this!

BSM Filtering:
8/10 in "A", 9-10/10 in "L"

So far this is hands-down the best BSM filtering detector I've owned, taking the crown from my Max Ci 360. In A or little L, K Verifier blocks almost all BSMs, except for brief and low strength PT's from the most troublesome of cars that affects every detector on the market.

In big L mode, the BSMs that PT almost never are strong enough to show on screen in big L.

Unfortunately this seems slightly inconsistent, as sometimes when the detector is already alerting to some other K source, it seems like BSM bogeys more easily sneak past big L.

Stationary K Door Opener Filtering:
1 to 5 out of 10, in Big L when not using apps/SAVVY

Honestly this is such a mixed bag. Sometimes, I pull into a shopping center and the thing is DEAD SILENT unless I point it right at a door opener point blank and it lets the alert through.

Other times I start backing out of a parking spot and BOOM 1 K bogey to the rear, 1 bar, breaks through big-L. It's a super weak door opener signal behind me but somehow it still breaks through.

The way the V1 handles stationary K falses is so inconsistent that it's been difficult for me to understand what it's trying to do. I don't recommend having high expectations in this regard.

Laser Filtering:
0 out of 10 :(
We have another thread on this, but for me LIDAR falsing is horribly bad. It picks up Velodyne LIDAR pucks from half a block away. It falses to toll booth IR illuminators, certain oncoming HID headlights, direct sunlight, etc.

I'm going to be turning off LIDAR again soon -- unfortunately without more filtering, this is outright unusable in my driving area. I highly recommend VR engineers to take pity on those of us that live in areas where LIDAR vehicles are being used. Other detectors have made better filtering trade offs, the V1 really needs a "Junk LIDAR Fighter" toggle.

Ka Filtering:
7 out of 10?

Not nearly as good as the Max Ci which gets similar Ka range and almost zero Ka falsing.... I've gotten a few oddball 1-dot Ka falses at completely off-tune frequencies. Luckily the frequency made it obvious that it's not a real threat.

I still criticize the R1/R3/R7 here: On a drive to Las Vegas, my R7 STILL to this day gives me one or two 34.699 1 blip alerts that never come to fruition. In my mind these are false alarms but of course we can argue all day about whether or not it could've been an extremely weak LEO, but falses at off-tune frequencies is better than falses at on-tune frequencies.

Still though, I think the acceptable number of non-LEO Ka falses should be 0. This is seriously one area where my Max Ci has spoiled me.

NOTE: Others have widely documented that the rear horn seems to have a propensity to generate ghost Ka bogeys in the presence of a strong radar source. I've not personally seen that yet but considering the multiple reports, I'm sure that if I encounter more Ka band I would've seen it too.


Biggest Takeways:
Valentine Research, if you're listening for feedback, in priority order, my feedback currently is:
  1. Consider adding some LIDAR filtering. You've got the best laser optics in the RD industry, clearly as a company you care about passive LIDAR protection. Unfortunately without filtering, it's just too noisy to use where I live, and it seems like others are in similar situations.
  2. Please investigate/address the weak Ka falses as well as the lingering Ka ghosts to K alerts or duplicate Ka alerts when passing a bogey.
  3. Please give us some more tools for dealing with stationary K band falses that don't depend on an app. For example, the previous timer/strength based K muting is much missed...
Thanks for your thoughts. I've been waiting to write something like this up until I have more seat time and start using little L some. Right now I'm still experimenting with A mode, and it's really not bad most of the time. And I live in DFW, so I see plenty of traffic.

Another thing is that I'm not experiencing excessive the laser falsing. I have had exactly one since I started driving with it last Wednesday night. I was actually concerned that maybe my laser sensor is defective since I couldn't get it to alert at all to one of my testers from the front, even thought it would alert from behind. Maybe I shouldn't complain....lol.

I also haven't had any problem with the suction cups. It fell once or twice during testing, but the WS was getting really dirty with all the changing of detectors.

Anyway, I think I'll write my thoughts up sometime soon.
 

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Did you thoroughly clean the screen, and the cups? If mine ever fall off, it's due to a build up of crud where the cups sit.
I always Windex before mounting but I think it's more the crazy temperature cycling of the Bay area the past few days, about 40-50 degrees between night and day.

At any rate it's BlendMounted now so problem solved!
 

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Thanks for very accurate review. I did also get KA false alerts, Bogey dance at shopping centers and suction nipples needs to be replaced. Many people get false laser alerts and we only start getting those detectors. Hopefully some of it will be addressed in future updates or may even be recalled. Unless you are brand fanatic, collector or tester i would not recommend it to buy it at least in this stage. $500 it's a lot of money.
 

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Another thing is that I'm not experiencing excessive the laser falsing. I have had exactly one since I started driving with it last Wednesday night. I was actually concerned that maybe my laser sensor is defective since I couldn't get it to alert at all to one of my testers from the front, even thought it would alert from behind. Maybe I shouldn't complain....lol.
In terms of LIDAR falses, it seems like my area's problem is test vehicles with LIDAR.... I'm right in Google and Apple and Intel Mobileye's back yard so on any given commute I see multiple funny looking cars with LIDARs strapped everywhere. Vortex seems to run into more production cars with LIDAR. At any rate my bottom line is other detectors can filter it out so it is possible for the V1 to do so.


With regards to LIDAR testers, if the V1G2 acts like the original V1, it will struggle with high pulse rate guns at short range, it needs to miss some pulses on something like a TSS to alert reliably. Hopefully that's what you were seeing.

Looking forward to your thoughts too once you're ready!
 

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Thanks for very accurate review. I did also get KA false alerts, Bogey dance at shopping centers and suction nipples needs to be replaced. Many people get false laser alerts and we only start getting those detectors. Hopefully some of it will be addressed in future updates or may even be recalled. Unless you are brand fanatic, collector or tester i would not recommend it to buy it at least in this stage. $500 it's a lot of money.
I think there's no need to freak out yet. It's more than likely these are things software will fix and VR has a track record for even doing mail in stuff for free for a year. $500 is a lot of money but the early adopters are a tough crowd to please.

I would still be confident buying the V1G2 today. Just don't expect it to be a Theia or somehow totally a magical solution to K band.
 

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I think there's no need to freak out yet. It's more than likely these are things software will fix and VR has a track record for even doing mail in stuff for free for a year. $500 is a lot of money but the early adopters are a tough crowd to please.

I would still be confident buying the V1G2 today. Just don't expect it to be a Theia or somehow totally a magical solution to K band.
I do have it and i'm not selling it. I just can not recommend it in this stage.
 

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I'm in the Dallas area, Cedar Hill, Texas to be exact. LIDAR is used extensively by the police in this area.
My detector arrived late this afternoon, unit was packaged well, typical from VR.
I really like the build quality, my impression is that it's a more refined look vs. the Gen 1 units I had owned.
Using the single power button to navigate was not an issue, never did I have the button stick as Vortex did. I turned off X band with V1 connect, everything else was default, running L mode to start with.
I had an hour late in the evening so took a drive from Cedar Hill Southbound on HWY 67 to Venus. The sun was setting low in the West, blinding at times but no false Laser alarms.
Reaching Venus I was going to make a U turn to head back Northbound but the V1 gave a KA 34.707 alert, single bogey with one bar illuminated, I thought what the heck and continued Southbound on 67.
A quarter mile out of Venus I had two bogeys ,going to two bars.
At 1/2 mile out I had four bogeys and the V1 was ramping up, very nice ramp speed.
Long story short a serious accident between a semi and pickup occured three miles south of Venus on Northbound side of Hwy 67.
Two police cruisers were actively working the accident. I guess both vehicles had two radar heads hot, thus the four bogey count??? I passed the accident and the arrow changed correctly.
I marked the odometer, all in all the detection range was 2.6 miles.
This is the only event experience using the V1 G2 since I opened the box, thought I would share with the group.
Tomorrow I'm going into Dallas, will see what comes from that trip with the V1.

Not a review just an experience to share...

Regards
 

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I'm in the Dallas area, Cedar Hill, Texas to be exact. LIDAR is used extensively by the police in this area.
My detector arrived late this afternoon, unit was packaged well, typical from VR.
I really like the build quality, my impression is that it's a more refined look vs. the Gen 1 units I had owned.
Using the single power button to navigate was not an issue, never did I have the button stick as Vortex did. I turned off X band with V1 connect, everything else was default, running L mode to start with.
I had an hour late in the evening so took a drive from Cedar Hill Southbound on HWY 67 to Venus. The sun was setting low in the West, blinding at times but no false Laser alarms.
Reaching Venus I was going to make a U turn to head back Northbound but the V1 gave a KA 34.707 alert, single bogey with one bar illuminated, I thought what the heck and continued Southbound on 67.
A quarter mile out of Venus I had two bogeys ,going to two bars.
At 1/2 mile out I had four bogeys and the V1 was ramping up, very nice ramp speed.
Long story short a serious accident between a semi and pickup occured three miles south of Venus on Northbound side of Hwy 67.
Two police cruisers were actively working the accident. I guess both vehicles had two radar heads hot, thus the four bogey count??? I passed the accident and the arrow changed correctly.
I marked the odometer, all in all the detection range was 2.6 miles.
This is the only event experience using the V1 G2 since I opened the box, thought I would share with the group.
Tomorrow I'm going into Dallas, will see what comes from that trip with the V1.

Not a review just an experience to share...

Regards
Thanks for input.
 

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