RC M + ALP - how do I verify ALP config and flush ALP to the latest firmware?

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I have RC-M that is integrated with ALP.

As we've tested with Vortex, it looks like ALP was set on 4 second LID time. Today I got USB cables installed to change the config. I went to ALP site, got the configuration, and connected USB to ALP. Here is the question - how do I tell that the setting was changed?

Similarly, how do I flush ALP to the latest firmware? ALP site points at all updates done on the native ALP and Radenso site just redirects to ALP. I can pretend that I understand what I'm doing and stick USB with the latest firmware, but how do I confirm that it was updated?

Help is greatly appreciated as I would hate wasting Voretx's time to come and realize that config on ALP was not updated and still is at 4 sec.
 

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When you set up your configuration, you could set the lid time for something odd.... like 7 seconds.

it’ll show up on the display, if everything took, as 7 seconds.... which you can change on the RC-M remote back to the recommended 4.

Thats probably the easiest way.
 
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When you set up your configuration, you could set the lid time for something odd.... like 7 seconds.

it’ll show up on the display, if everything took, as 7 seconds.... which you can change on the RC-M remote back to the recommended 4.

Thats probably the easiest way.
Will try tonight, thanks!
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No luck - I had updated config file to 7 seconds and verified it by re-opening on the ALP site. Stuck USB drive into ALP, started the car and went trough the RC-M settings --- still see "unlimited" instead of 7 seconds. Side note, Vortex and I tried setting "unlimited" with RC M earlier with no success and cut off happening at 4 seconds.

Other ideas?

@Jason at Radenso for thoughts.
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And to add - I've followed up the steps on the AL-P firmware update as outlined in Radenso manual
  • Remove the flash drive from your computer and plug it into the AL Priority CPU unit’s USB port. Make sure the RC M and ALP are both powered off when you plug it in. ---> I had done it with the car turned off
  • Turn on the RC M system and wait several seconds. The RC M will automatically recognize that the ALP has the firmware update flash drive plugged in, and the CPU will begin updating. --> Waited for couple of minutes with car running, no signs of any activity
  • Once the ALP has finished updating, the RC M display will give you a message indicating that the process has finished. Remove the flash drive from the ALP control unit and manually power off the RC M system. Power the RC M system back on and the process is complete. 11. 12
What am I doing wrong?
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And the last note of the day, according to Radenso manual there are following options to choose from:

Jammer Default setting: off Recommended setting: on if jammer is present All setting options: off, ALP, FF Description: Tells the RC M if there is a laser jammer present. If the AL Priority is present, please select ALP.


In my setup I can only choose between on and off, there is no ALP option. Is manual outdated and options were simplified in the later firmware or is it a sign of RC M and ALP not talking to each other?
 
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I just hopped into my car to check the RC M and can also verify that with the latest firmware, the jammer setting is now just On or Off. There's no selection for ALP or FF anymore the way there used to be.

As far as updating firmware or settings, the progress updates are displayed by the blinking alert LEDs (control pad or external) as well as by the speaker. I've never updating the ALP while it's plugged into the RC M and without an external alert LED so I'm not sure how it lets you know that the update is taking place when you plug in a USB drive into the ALP, but I would assume it happens either way?
 

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Are you guys sure the ALP is actually connected to the RCM via the crossover cable?
 

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I just hopped into my car to check the RC M and can also verify that with the latest firmware, the jammer setting is now just On or Off. There's no selection for ALP or FF anymore the way there used to be.

As far as updating firmware or settings, the progress updates are displayed by the blinking alert LEDs (control pad or external) as well as by the speaker. I've never updating the ALP while it's plugged into the RC M and without an external alert LED so I'm not sure how it lets you know that the update is taking place when you plug in a USB drive into the ALP, but I would assume it happens either way?
Thanks for the confirmation on the jammer!

RC M unit is fronting all of the operations so no ALP control unit or led available.

Are you guys sure the ALP is actually connected to the RCM via the crossover cable?
That is the question I'll ask installer on Monday as install is tucked deeply in the car with no easy access.

I wanted to confirm that I'm doing everything correctly as I can see three possible cases
- I'm doing something wrong
- USB port is not connected to ALP
- RCM and ALP are not connected
 

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Are you guys sure the ALP is actually connected to the RCM via the crossover cable?
I just plugged the ALP into the RC M using the bridge cable and the RC M's setting options remained the same. Can you check if your RC M has the option in the menu?
 

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Thanks for the confirmation on the jammer!

RC M unit is fronting all of the operations so no ALP control unit or led available.



That is the question I'll ask installer on Monday as install is tucked deeply in the car with no easy access.

I wanted to confirm that I'm doing everything correctly as I can see three possible cases
- I'm doing something wrong
- USB port is not connected to ALP
- RCM and ALP are not connected
When using an ALP and RCM integrated they are linked through the controller port not the USB Port. If Jammer is enabled on RCM and you are not getting a Jammer error they are communicating.

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When using an ALP and RCM integrated they are linked through the controller port not the USB Port. If Jammer is enabled on RCM and you are not getting a Jammer error they are communicating.
hm I didn't get a jammer error even though it was enabled on the RC M and the ALP was disconnected.
 

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hm I didn't get a jammer error even though it was enabled on the RC M and the ALP was disconnected.
You might have to wait to hear from Radenso. There used to be a jammer error if ALP did not initialize. I dont have an RCM to test.

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I just plugged the ALP into the RC M using the bridge cable and the RC M's setting options remained the same. Can you check if your RC M has the option in the menu?
I can check, but my RCM and ALP run separately now. I dont even know if I have a bridge cable.
 

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Mine is bridged.
I’ve only seen 4 options on he RC-M ever.
JammerOff/On
Parking sensor
Lid
Jammer default.

Most cars leave the accessories on until you open the door. I leave the door open. Found that trick out with my tuners.

My USB stick has a blue light. I also added the LED to my RC-M/ALP setup.

I have 2 USB extensions. Randy told me you can update through the RC-M USB extension, but I use the ALP one anyways.

With the car off, I plug the USB into the Extension. Turn the car accessories on. Watch the blue light on the USB stick flicker as the information is being copied over to the ALP cpu

The RC-M screen, I believe stays blank while updating. When finished the RC-M reboots and turns on (I think it stays blank?)

If you have the LED light for the ALP, it’ll go through it’s self check. When the RC-M reboots.
I do this twice just to make sure.
Thats it.
 

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@Heywood - thanks, great idea with the led usb and I do have some :)

Here is what I'm observing starting from the car in the off state.

Case 1 - drive is in the ALP USB extension port
- Car is switched on
- Light blinks for 2-3 seconds only
- RCM display goes through the normal steps with no indications of firmware or config update on ALP

Case 2 - drive is in the RCM USB extension port
- Car is switched on
- Lights blinks for a bit longer
- RCM unit displays "writing"
- All process takes may be 5 seconds
- GenevoStatus.txt is dropped on the flashdrive with the following content
GenevoPRO
S/N:pRO12345 --- this was manually edited
Front radar:HDM+
Rear radar:HDM+
Jammer:ALP


In both cases I highly doubt that ALP firmware is updated given the short time frame. Now, it can be already and the latest on the unit and ALP can be smart not to re-flash.
 

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@Heywood - thanks, great idea with the led usb and I do have some :)

Here is what I'm observing starting from the car in the off state.

Case 1 - drive is in the ALP USB extension port
- Car is switched on
- Light blinks for 2-3 seconds only
- RCM display goes through the normal steps with no indications of firmware or config update on ALP

Case 2 - drive is in the RCM USB extension port
- Car is switched on
- Lights blinks for a bit longer
- RCM unit displays "writing"
- All process takes may be 5 seconds
- GenevoStatus.txt is dropped on the flashdrive with the following content
GenevoPRO
S/N:pRO12345 --- this was manually edited
Front radar:HDM+
Rear radar:HDM+
Jammer:ALP


In both cases I highly doubt that ALP firmware is updated given the short time frame. Now, it can be already and the latest on the unit and ALP can be smart not to re-flash.
ALP will not load firmware if the same firmware is already installed. Also Config file updates only take 2 seconds to load.

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Thanks @BestRadarDetectors - sounds like I'm ready to re-test with Vortex given that there is a clear read from the drive!

One more question --- According to ALP site there is an option to print stats:
Print Use Statistics
Extended AL Priority® can save it's settings & statistics to a connected USB flash drive. By installing our firmware upgrade the AL system receives a new feature - the collection of statistical data of detected laser sources in it's memory. Collected data together with system data can be displayed here by loading this file.

Should I expect the file to be generated only when there is laser detection?
 

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That stat file can’t be retrieved when bridged to the RC-M.
I think you need the controller that comes with the ALP if you bought it in its own.
I’ve never had one so someone else will hopefully chime in if that’s the only way to get the stat file or not.

Tom is right about not loading the FW twice. I should’ve mentioned that.
On the 2nd try with the USB still left connected .... if it ( the RC-M) loads up right away, I’ll know the FW that was on the USB stick did load correctly.

That’s the reason I leave the door open. When I turn the key off, I know all the accessory power has been cut to both the RC-M and ALP.... so it’s like a complete reboot.

I also go right to ALP’s website and do the config and bin file separate from the Radenso stuff
. If I’m updating the RC-M, I’ll do that on it’s own as well from the Radenso website. I never do them all together at one time
 
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Does the RCM setup include an ALP controller?
If you long press the menu button (extra long) on the ALP controller it goes into an advanced laser menu where you can change LID time without changing profiles or uploading a config.
 

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Does the RCM setup include an ALP controller?
If you long press the menu button (extra long) on the ALP controller it goes into an advanced laser menu where you can change LID time without changing profiles or uploading a config.
No it doesn’t (the controller) when you buy it from Radenso as a package. Something to do with the agreement I believe.

It also doesn’t come with the LED light either, but that, I believe, might have been a price issue. I had to pay a pretty penny for it. I think they charged me $45.00 Canadian for the privileged of the 3.00 accessory.

ALP doesn’t seem to be the easiest company to have to deal with when it comes to pricing or agreements. It’s on their terms ....or nothing.
 

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No it doesn’t (the controller) when you buy it from Radenso as a package. Something to do with the agreement I believe.

It also doesn’t come with the LED light either, but that, I believe, might have been a price issue. I had to pay a pretty penny for it. I think they charged me $45.00 Canadian for the privileged of the 3.00 accessory.

ALP doesn’t seem to be the easiest company to have to deal with when it comes to pricing or agreements. It’s on their terms ....or nothing.

Has it been asked of Radenso if we could get an option on the RCM to write to stats.apl and config.apl to the usb of the apl cpu usb port?
 

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Has it been asked of Radenso if we could get an option on the RCM to write to stats.apl and config.apl to the usb of the apl cpu usb port?
Try reaching out to Radenso customer service.
I don’t think you can do it without the controller, but that’s just me talking. Best to confirm it with them.
 

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