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Well, it's your decision, but who else offers a factory upgrade deal? That'll suit some people who can't/won't sell themselves.
Besides, what would VR do with old V1's anyway? I think that is very good customer service.
Let me know when Radenso gives a trade in deal on Theia.
On the other hand who else charges for firmware updates? I "upgraded" to an R7 and sold my R1 and R3 for 80% of what I paid for them new without an upgrade deal from uniden so while a nice sales line upgrades with a nominal trade-in vs what you can sell it for on your own are not the end all.
 

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I am a big V1 fan. Ran Mike's products dating back to the late 1970s as an Escort RD. Ran his V1 for two decades. But why in the world would you order a product you know nothing about? Just saying.
 

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I don't see it as that bad. After all, there is not a single part from the current V1s that will carry over to the new model so they are doing a 100% replacement at 78% of the list price.
While I completely agree with what you say, I think that the problem is that wouldn't lie with the original marketing propaganda of this being the only detector you'll ever need. If there isn't an upgrade path that's a reasonable cost, that whole rhetoric goes out the door.
I think even though they are doing a 100% replacement, the upgrade cost would still need to be significantly cheaper than a new unit.
 

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I wish the mods would threaten to temporarily ban anyone who posts snark or inside jokes. And then issue the temporary ban if they persist. Some of us scan these forums FAST for new or relevant information. Having to figure out, "oh, that's a joke", or "that's one member pulling another poster's leg" just slows us down.
Typically sarcasm or jokes is done in purple text oor has an "/s" at the end. That's up to the poster's discretion to do though.
Can't just start banning people for mildly goofing off. It's really only a problem when it becomes an attack on someone else or when it's just a completely unwarranted, off topic shit-post.
 

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Me TROLLING V1 or VR now that is funny!
That’s his thing. He just calls everyone a troll to put them on the defensive and then see what happens.

While I completely agree with what you say, I think that the problem is that wouldn't lie with the original marketing propaganda of this being the only detector you'll ever need. If there isn't an upgrade path that's a reasonable cost, that whole rhetoric goes out the door.
Maybe, but what’s considered a “reasonable” amount of discount? I can’t go take some 15 year old Uniden detector and get Uniden to give me any money for it. Or anyone else for that matter. Nor, honestly, would I expect them to.
 

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1. On the other hand who else charges for firmware updates? 2. I "upgraded" to an R7 and sold my R1 and R3 for 80% of what I paid for them new without an upgrade deal from uniden so while a nice sales line upgrades with a nominal trade-in vs what you can sell it for on your own are not the end all.
1. Valentine charges for firmware updates because they don't want anyone bricking the unit. Does it suck? Yes because I don't have a detector for a week or two. I'm pretty sure more goes into 'updating' the unit like opening it up and giving it a cleaning and making sure everything is in working order.

2. You poor soul. I'm so sorry.

That’s his thing. He just calls everyone a troll to put them on the defensive and then see what happens.

Maybe, but what’s considered a “reasonable” amount of discount? I can’t go take some 15 year old Uniden detector and get Uniden to give me any money for it. Or anyone else for that matter. Nor, honestly, would I expect them to.
Good point. My V1 is 12 years old and I bought it for $399. For it to be worth $110 after 12 years to me is amazing. I was thinking more along the lines of like $50 - $100 max.

@LouG is right. I think at this point, it's just good customer service.
 
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While I completely agree with what you say, I think that the problem is that wouldn't lie with the original marketing propaganda of this being the only detector you'll ever need. If there isn't an upgrade path that's a reasonable cost, that whole rhetoric goes out the door.
I think even though they are doing a 100% replacement, the upgrade cost would still need to be significantly cheaper than a new unit.
I think it all goes hand in hand with the magnitude of the upgrade.

Even if prior upgrades were essentially full detector swaps, the majority of the components inside and out were legacy parts scaled down in cost over time and R&D for the overall design recovered for 5x over. In this case VR could provide a significant discount on trade ins.........er, upgrades...…..and still maintain a healthy margin.

This upgrade is all new design with an all new bill of materials to build it. Even at full price it will take some time to recover the R&D invested and parts cost will be at a premium. Also, you can't ignore the fact that the revenue pipeline was dry for practically an entire year. In light of all that, I'd say offering a +20% discount to take back your old V1 and toss it in the trash compactor is still generous.

To go beyond that is probably suicidal. Once this is announced the value on e-Bay of older V1s is going to drop like a rock and there will be plenty of cheap V1s to acquire for "upgrades". He's got to stay above that waterline.
 

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Well... now the question on everyone's mind once this ships. Buy now or hold off for Theia? Looking forward to Vortex's first impressions. Particularly regarding BSM filtering vs the Max 360c. Not sure how much I trust everyone else on this subforum to be objective lol

IMO trade-in offer is fair given they will basically just trash the detector you send back. Pretty common in the consumer electronics industry for a trade in offer from the manufacturer to be pretty low compared to what you could get selling used. You trade optimizing price for convenience. I do hope they get with the bandwagon on user-updatable firmware though.
 
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I dont have a problem paying whatever the tradein offer will be just because the level of quality, dedication in V1 I know I wont get anywhere else. Every year Escort throws out new (updated) detector and the previous year drops out of update program, Radenso, Uniden more or less but also. R1/R3 were told to be beasts but I had R3 for a month now and I am not impressed even besides its monster range. I tested latest R3 1.52fw against MRCD and it still sucks (24.105). I bet when V2 comes out its going to be refined as hell just like V1 3.8952 is. JBV1 app just raises the bar to the top level.
Personally I believe Theia AI is more of a marketing thing to hype up the premarket around it than actual AI.
Comparing VR vs Radenso launch approach, completely different.
I bet on the silent one rather than on one which barks before the fight.
 

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Question: Has anybody seen a copy of the March 2020 "Road & Track" or "Car & Driver" to see if the VR ad stayed the same?

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Motortrend April 2020 still shows the old detector in the ad
 
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Until there's confirmation that K-Band BSM rejection has been improved, this hype means almost nothing to me. I'll just keep my existing V1 and get a Theia when available.
 

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I wouldn't expect to see any pictures until something was filed with the FCC. Mike wouldn't want to pay any fines.
 

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Until there's confirmation that K-Band BSM rejection has been improved, this hype means almost nothing to me. I'll just keep my existing V1 and get a Theia when available.
I agree. I would probably want to upgrade one of my V1’s to be used for testing purposes, but if the aren’t substantial changes to the internals to increase range and reactivity as well as to improve BSM filtering further (TMF3?) then it may not represent much value to existing users. If Bluetooth LE is built into the body, that would be nice for first time buyers, but that doesn’t seem like it would mean much to those of us who have it already with a dongle.
 

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Until there's confirmation that K-Band BSM rejection has been improved, this hype means almost nothing to me. I'll just keep my existing V1 and get a Theia when available.
Hype: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.

Isn't both the new V1 and Theia all hype until they are available, tested, and proven?
 

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Hype: extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.

Isn't both the new V1 and Theia all hype until they are available, tested, and proven?
Yes, but I can tell you from reading the facts that Theia will not have an "Achilles heel" to BSM systems, which is the #1 issue I want/neeed addressed in the V1.
 

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Until there's confirmation that K-Band BSM rejection has been improved, this hype means almost nothing to me. I'll just keep my existing V1 and get a Theia when available.
I disagree but maybe because I'm a nerd and want to see cool new tech go into stuff.

Just from the patents alone, there's hopefully going to be a lot of cool hardware changes and improvements. It'll be a huge change from what currently is. As hyped up as it is (by rdf crowd exclusively), that alone makes me excited for the V2.
 

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I wish the mods would threaten to temporarily ban anyone who posts snark or inside jokes. And then issue the temporary ban if they persist. Some of us scan these forums FAST for new or relevant information. Having to figure out, "oh, that's a joke", or "that's one member pulling another poster's leg" just slows us down.
Banter is part of daily communication. God forbid that we have po faced people deciding what and how we write.
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Yes, but I can tell you from reading the facts that Theia will not have an "Achilles heel" to BSM systems, which is the #1 issue I want/neeed addressed in the V1.
There are no "facts", it has not been released, and thoroughly tested.
Posts like yours are why people build expectations based on very little, then are disappointed and angered when those expectations are not delivered.
A little circumspection goes a long way to mitigate hype.
 
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Actually, Model Y is about one quarter ahead of schedule. Notice the Stock value lately. It's insane.
Yes, got in at $178. Lets hope it keeps on rolling. I have the feeling this qtr is not going to look so good though. Model 3 , X and S sales are all down this quarter in anticipation of the Y. I do believe that Y sales are going to do extremely well though and will compare favorably to the Rav4 and CRV. In fact, I just read that there's a class action against Toyota now for the Rav4 Hybrid gas tank issue where its holding 4 gallons less than what's spec'd. Elon has got so much on his plate right now with Tesla and SpaceX that I don't know how he does it. Battery Day, Plaid, X and S refresh, Roadster Semi. Hes like the Mike V of BEVs.
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I sure hope this is true this time. I could really use a new V1 before the last week of March
Why? Radar hasn't changed in 40 years. Its still K and Ka predominately and the current crop still picks it up just fine.
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Yes, I don't think there is any coincidence that the release date just happens to be tracking to the patents.

That is good news for everyone.

First, this will not be a revised edition of the old hardware, but a new edition incorporating the new patent technology. That's great news whether you plan on owning one or not.

The hardware detailed in the pantents would potentially put the V1 back in front from a performance perspective, and at under $500 will put significant pressure on the rest of the market with current or planned price points.

Competition is great. Especially when someone releases a supercar at affordable prices.
So unlike Mike: " pantents "
 
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