Google Waze Acquisition FTC Review

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Typo in thread subject line: FTC not FCC (I was wondering why the FCC was involved because this has nothing to do with spectrum allocation).
 

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Typo in thread subject line: FTC not FCC (I was wondering why the FCC was involved because this has nothing to do with spectrum allocation).
Fixed :)
 

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So what is your opinion?
Trump has complained loudly before that Google's search results on him don't turn up exclusively adoration and Fox News clips. Probably a totally innocent 7-years-after-the-fact "sweep" though.

Should Apple have bought Waze?
It would certainly have helped their still-awful Apple Maps! I've been an iPhone user since 2008, and I can tell you, their Maps app still sucks for anything other than super basic navigation.
 

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Trump has complained loudly before that Google's search results on him don't turn up exclusively adoration and Fox News clips. Probably a totally innocent 7-years-after-the-fact "sweep" though.
IMO, the FTC/DOJ have been napping these last 10+ years as big companies have grown increasingly powerful. Facebook has an extraordinary amount of power due to their vast number of users and has essentially no accountability since Zuck controls more than 50% of voting rights. Google is arguably even more power than Facebook and, although they are more ethical, they were still allowed to buy Waze, Nest, and a bunch of other companies unrelated to their core mission of search. The problem with that isn't that it makes them a search monopoly (it doesn't), but if you consider that their business is collecting and displaying data (on both websites as well as the people who use their services), then it makes them even larger and more powerful and makes it even more difficult for a competitor to break into their market.

There's a huge amount of network effect in the services of many tech companies that I think the government doesn't understand or have 21st century laws to deal with. And being politically conservative or liberal has absolutely nothing to do with it. This problem has been growing for 15-20 years now and nobody has done anything about it regardless of which party controls the White House or Congress. At this point, I would welcome increased scrutiny no matter who initiates it.
 
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Trump has complained loudly before that Google's search results on him don't turn up exclusively adoration and Fox News clips. Probably a totally innocent 7-years-after-the-fact "sweep" though.


It would certainly have helped their still-awful Apple Maps! I've been an iPhone user since 2008, and I can tell you, their Maps app still sucks for anything other than super basic navigation.
ONLY because the DNC is probably paying Google more money than the "Reds." Its all about the money, isn't it.

I miss the days when ER integrated WAZE into ER LIVE. Live actually had a purpose then. Now, not so much.
 

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ONLY because the DNC is probably paying Google more money than the "Reds." Its all about the money, isn't it.

I miss the days when ER integrated WAZE into ER LIVE. Live actually had a purpose then. Now, not so much.
Google does not like competition.
 

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ONLY because the DNC is probably paying Google more money than the "Reds." Its all about the money, isn't it.
I highly doubt that. More probable explanation is that politicians have taken so long to do anything because they:
(1) Are mostly old and didn't grow up with computers, and
(2) Don't understand technology

I mean really, how many of our public representatives have degrees in computer science? Most of them are damned lawyers and, well...nothing against lawyers but I don't want a lawyer trying to explain to people how technology works.

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What kills me, it once was a free ecosystem that said to be free world and assist to the knowledge of others, G00gl3 has become the anti of what that origin of what it started. They have turn the user into a $$ capital by pulling your data and selling it to all that buy in.
You have to
- buy in to Analytics
- buy into Top Ads
- etc etc

You are now that Walking advertising free agent, and others like F-book has done as well. Take the name as it is.
Selling that free ecosystem and has made many companies taking advantage as well, and the lack of protection by, when allowing/accepting for a company only to have a phone that gives you access to the world, you can't buy into another.
Apple the second larger of, at least helps in somethings, only Windows pre did limit your bleed of data before the what did turn into cellphone 3.0 of ... I have been a Windows Phone 8/10 guy as Windows did limit till they saw that market too. FTC/FCC needs to limit what is seen to public industry as the Public world knows you... but so does the rest of the world, which is why we are hacked and scammed more than others with Public Record is too public. At least the EU has better laws in place than we do.
 

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ONLY because the DNC is probably paying Google more money than the "Reds." Its all about the money, isn't it.
No. In case you’re serious, I’d like to take a moment to dispel that myth. Search results are not buyable. People and organizations with way more money than the DNC have tried. You can buy ads, but that’s it. You can’t buy better organic rankings for yourself or pay Google to remove or demote results from people you don’t like.
 

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What kills me, it once was a free ecosystem that said to be free world and assist to the knowledge of others, G00gl3 has become the anti of what that origin of what it started. They have turn the user into a $$ capital by pulling your data and selling it to all that buy in.
You have to
- buy in to Analytics
- buy into Top Ads
- etc etc

You are now that Walking advertising free agent, and others like F-book has done as well. Take the name as it is.
Selling that free ecosystem and has made many companies taking advantage as well, and the lack of protection by, when allowing/accepting for a company only to have a phone that gives you access to the world, you can't buy into another.
Apple the second larger of, at least helps in somethings, only Windows pre did limit your bleed of data before the what did turn into cellphone 3.0 of ... I have been a Windows Phone 8/10 guy as Windows did limit till they saw that market too. FTC/FCC needs to limit what is seen to public industry as the Public world knows you... but so does the rest of the world, which is why we are hacked and scammed more than others with Public Record is too public. At least the EU has better laws in place than we do.
Windows 10 Long Term Service Branch edition. No crapware and shut down Microsoft telemetry and data tracking. FYI.
 
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I miss the days when ER integrated WAZE into ER LIVE. Live actually had a purpose then. Now, not so much.
It was purely a decision about return on investment. Google realized that it didn’t align with their advertising model that they employ on Google Maps and Waze. With Waze, you see pop up ads when stopped at a light and not moving. You also see highlighted places on the top-down navigational view; sponsored listings. When google offered the Waze data up via open API, app developers were free to take and use the data, but Google wasn’t able to show any paid advertisements. They couldn’t set rules or enforce them for app developers about showing such in-app highlighted locations or inserting popup ads when the driver was stopped at a stoplight and waiting. Even if they har required such in their Terms of Service to the developers, it would have been tough to enforce. Most app developers would simply just choose to not code in support for the highlighted sponsored places and the popup ads.

Ultimately Google decided to close down the Waze API from third party developer usage because of this.

They have however continued to expand their paid API service offerings for developers who are willing to pay for usage charges on their Google Cloud Platform (GCP). They have a massive library of APIs that offer mapping and location routing abilities that they continue to build upon by the month.

 

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Windows 10 Long Term Service Branch edition. No crapwear, and shut down Microsoft telemetry and data tracking. FYI.
If I can only get my hands on that and Licensing. Yeah, I have heard about that, especially since I am in the industry. I can get my hands on Server OSs, Exchange, and many other via VLC, but none of my clients have W10Ent. MSDN it at some point.

I know MS has bought into similar on Home and Pro users.. and they love it you have subscriptions and other accounts to pass that data. :argh:
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If you can buy my data, I’ll reimburse you whatever it costs.
They have services out there now that will give you points and trade for Gift cards. Got a free that is doing that.
 
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