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A little history first. I have a TMG (Non VPR) 3 Head system installed on the front of my 2019 Honda Ridgeline, it's been field tested and actually tested really well. So I'm coming home from work Friday night on a 45 mph metropolitan road (Telegraph Rd.Taylor, MI) and it's me and 1 other car, I'm leading out of the two of us and up ahead is a well known laser speed trap, I slow to 45 mph and approach the waiting cop, all of sudden my R7 starts going off full blast "Laser Alert" but my TMG doesn't make a sound. Hmmm... That's weird, so arrive at home 15 minutes later and I pull in the driveway and decide to test my system with my handheld TMG laser tester, everything seems to be fine.

This morning the wife and I get up early to head to Kentucky to go see UK vs Ole Miss (We Won) so we are cruising southbound I-75 approx. 80 miles into Ohio and my R7 starts going off full blast "Laser Alert" and my TMG is as quiet as a church mouse I'm in the fast lane and up ahead I see the Ohio State Trooper in the median with his gun in hand as we pass. Hmmm.. Weird.. I check the volume and it's on Maximum as usual. Then around mile marker 126 a cop is merging onto the Hi way gets behind me and pulls me over, ?? I'm thinking what did I do, I was cruising with traffic, well he informed me that I was clocked by airplane doing 85 in a 70 and the rotten devil actually wrote it for that. So after the Game we get to the hotel room and once again I check it with my handheld tester and it tests fine. IDK.. What's y'all's thoughts? Laser Scatter twice? Seems hard to believe because I was the front runner both times.




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TMG doesn't alert to some versions of Laser Ally and some version of Dragoneye. Most likely this is the case since MI and OH.

TMG also alerts but fails to defend against certain other variants of those guns, but those can't be it since you didn't get an alert. So I say most likely a Laser Ally.
 

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A little history first. I have a TMG (Non VPR) 3 Head system installed on the front of my 2019 Honda Ridgeline, it's been field tested and actually tested really well. So I'm coming home from work Friday night on a 45 mph metropolitan road (Telegraph Rd.Taylor, MI) and it's me and 1 other car, I'm leading out of the two of us and up ahead is a well known laser speed trap, I slow to 45 mph and approach the waiting cop, all of sudden my R7 starts going off full blast "Laser Alert" but my TMG doesn't make a sound. Hmmm... That's weird, so arrive at home 15 minutes later and I pull in the driveway and decide to test my system with my handheld TMG laser tester, everything seems to be fine.

This morning the wife and I get up early to head to Kentucky to go see UK vs Ole Miss (We Won) so we are cruising southbound I-75 approx. 80 miles into Ohio and my R7 starts going off full blast "Laser Alert" and my TMG is as quiet as a church mouse I'm in the fast lane and up ahead I see the Ohio State Trooper in the median with his gun in hand as we pass. Hmmm.. Weird.. I check the volume and it's on Maximum as usual. Then around mile marker 126 a cop is merging onto the Hi way gets behind me and pulls me over, ?? I'm thinking what did I do, I was cruising with traffic, well he informed me that I was clocked by airplane doing 85 in a 70 and the rotten devil actually wrote it for that. So after the Game we get to the hotel room and once again I check it with my handheld tester and it tests fine. IDK.. What's y'all's thoughts? Laser Scatter twice? Seems hard to believe because I was the front runner both times.




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Well the aircraft part makes sense, there is often no radar or laser there as they don't want to give away the trap... Now the R7 could have been a false or you may be facing a variant of laser that TMG isn't recognizing...

For the aircraft trap use highwayradar.
 

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What does the ticket say on how they measured your speed?
 

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I think you may have mentioned seeing dragoneye before... So maybe they have a version of it that isn't covered.
 

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Seeing as this was Ohio, I'm afraid you are getting hit with a version of the DE that TMG doesn't alert to. Could also be Laser Ally like @PY004 says.
 

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Does the R7 alert to VPR guns? I thought there were several reports of the R series not picking up VPR guns due to filtering?
 

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Does the R7 alert to VPR guns? I thought there were several reports of the R series not picking up VPR guns due to filtering?
Correct. You still dodged a Laser ticket some how.
@Spearscrue I'm not sure what happened. Where you running an app with the TMG?
 

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It sounds like the actual ticket was due to VASCAR from an aircraft. Detector and parking sensors can’t defend against that.

The TMG not alerting is the worrisome part. I know there are some DALA and DE variants that it doesn’t protect against, so maybe there’s a start? I know TMG is working on adding to their algos.

Bottom line is be careful out there in OH. But based on your ticket description, I don’t think TMG failed you on the ticket


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Does the R7 alert to VPR guns? I thought there were several reports of the R series not picking up VPR guns due to filtering?
Well the r3 and dfr series alert to dragoneye, stalker and TSLR. Mine alert every year when we are testing so at least against the varients I have run against... So I would expect the R7 should as well.
 

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Running as lead vehicle with no rabbit got the attention of the airplane. Not sure if you got scatter but if you were shot with laser I would expect your ticket to be for that, verified by the plane.

I would retest your system is working correctly, as I suspect it is, but retesting will eliminate any doubt and use a rabbit in the future. 1st vehicle in a group speeding is normally the victim.
Learn from the mistake and move on would be my advice.
 

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So I read it as 3 different encounters, first 2 were Lidar with no TMG alert whatsoever... very disturbing if true!

The third was a Vascar trap with no other clue the pull over was coming. Other defense may have helped though like JBV1, Highway Radar, and Waze might have given a clue.

If there is no way of knowing what guns were used then it will be impossible to know if it was a non-covered gun. How common are these problem guns is a question we should be asking. It seems odd that 2 guns in a row 100+ miles apart did not alert, there needs to be deep investigation of the TMG CPU to see if or what an issue could be.

I am very interested in what the issue is found to be...
 

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What does the ticket say on how they measured your speed?
It says by aircraft and the cop explained to me exactly how they did it, he said once I crossed over a white line marked on the road a cop with a stopwatch in the plane times me from the first painted white line to the second and then figured out my speed.

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I think you may have mentioned seeing dragoneye before... So maybe they have a version of it that isn't covered.
Yes I usually run into Dragon Eye on my way into work probably around 2-3 times a week, these 2 cops from Friday and today I have no clue what they were shooting, all I know is I seen them shooting their next victim as I passed, I'm just glad they didn't pull out behind me, it was nothing but a speed trap heaven all the way from the top to the bottom of Ohio today.

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Seeing as this was Ohio, I'm afraid you are getting hit with a version of the DE that TMG doesn't alert to. Could also be Laser Ally like @PY004 says.
Ughhh...Well that sucks because I travel South thru Ohio around 9 times a year

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Correct. You still dodged a Laser ticket some how.
@Spearscrue I'm not sure what happened. Where you running an app with the TMG?
I wasn't running an app just the TMG, R7 and Waze I'm not exactly sure I was even speeding when I got lasered but I was definitely speeding when I got timed by the stupid airplane.

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It sounds like the actual ticket was due to VASCAR from an aircraft. Detector and parking sensors can’t defend against that.

The TMG not alerting is the worrisome part. I know there are some DALA and DE variants that it doesn’t protect against, so maybe there’s a start? I know TMG is working on adding to their algos.

Bottom line is be careful out there in OH. But based on your ticket description, I don’t think TMG failed you on the ticket


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No TMG couldn't of done anything against the airplane, I'm not sure anything could help in that situation. Now I'm going to have to drive 2 hours south to Lima, Ohio just to try to fight it in court, I have a perfect Driving record 0 points and a CDL so I can't afford to have any points

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Running as lead vehicle with no rabbit got the attention of the airplane. Not sure if you got scatter but if you were shot with laser I would expect your ticket to be for that, verified by the plane.

I would retest your system is working correctly, as I suspect it is, but retesting will eliminate any doubt and use a rabbit in the future. 1st vehicle in a group speeding is normally the victim.
Learn from the mistake and move on would be my advice.
Yeah I'm done with speeding thru Ohio for sure, never again, sad thing was it was around 8:30 in the morning and we were both tired, still not awake and we were just cruising along, I didn't even know I was speeding, I was just driving, so I thought.

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So I read it as 3 different encounters, first 2 were Lidar with no TMG alert whatsoever... very disturbing if true!

The third was a Vascar trap with no other clue the pull over was coming. Other defense may have helped though like JBV1, Highway Radar, and Waze might have given a clue.

If there is no way of knowing what guns were used then it will be impossible to know if it was a non-covered gun. How common are these problem guns is a question we should be asking. It seems odd that 2 guns in a row 100+ miles apart did not alert, there needs to be deep investigation of the TMG CPU to see if or what an issue could be.

I am very interested in what the issue is found to be...
You are exactly correct as you stated, 2 different laser guns 100 miles apart, no alert from either and then I got ambushed by the airplane and received a 15 mph over ticket

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Yeah I'm done with speeding thru Ohio for sure, never again, sad thing was it was around 8:30 in the morning and we were both tired, still not awake and we were just cruising along, I didn't even know I was speeding, I was just driving, so I thought.

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Cruise control is handy in those situations. Yeah Ohio is pretty tough I don't mess around over there.
 

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I travel from Michigan thru Ohio, to Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia and West Virginia quite often because all my family is down South, the Hillbilly Highways brought my Mom and Dad to Michigan for work many years ago, but anyways I have to say out of all my driving I'm going to have to say Ohio and Georgia are the worst for speed trapping.

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I hate OH they have everything from X, K, Ka, moving, stationary, Planes, pacing etc. Ive had planes sent after me for being called in to being hit with moving radar. And even with every conceivable counter measure available to some that most don't know about OH is still deadly.
 

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Can confirm OH sucks. Also very familiar with the first trap you mentioned. All in all though sounds like you managed to come out decent all things considered. VASCAR is just no bueno
 

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No TMG couldn't of done anything against the airplane, I'm not sure anything could help in that situation.
JBV1 and Highway Radar both offer VASCAR alerts by monitoring ADS-B feeds for possible LEO aircraft. They also offer improved crowd sourced alerts from Waze.
 

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