Changes to my conditions for Uniden GPS updates for NZ and AU...

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As of today, I am no longer making free gps updates available for everyone in New Zealand and Australia.

I previously released my database to people who I felt I could trust, but I did nonetheless add some security of encryption because you never can be too careful. I have always made it clear that I aim to make my databases as good as they can be. However, they cannot be shared and released generally. At the very least this puts both myself and Uniden New Zealand in a difficult position. Obviously, we would all like to see Uniden work harder to release new and better updates, but we also can't expect this to happen if we all work together with the intent of flooding the New Zealand market with imported detectors.

So, going forward, existing forum members who are using their database for personal protection only will continue to receive my support with free updates. However, I will not be providing updates to new forum members and/or new requesters unless there is: i) a written confirmation accepting my updated release conditions (see below); ii) a proof of the detector serial number; and iii) a one off donation of no less than NZ$50 to be received before any updates are to be released.

These changes come largely into force because of the actions of one single user of this forum. As most of you should already know, my databases are serial number encrypted to ensure the database is only about 60-75% active if installed on the wrong detector. The file is also separately stamped with the serial number in separately encrypted format so it can be read back from any detector the file is installed upon. But, surely I'm bluffing right!? Well, the Trademe seller datuk_soon evidently seemed to think that way. They acquired their database through this very forum by providing serial number 8A007719, and that user is now formally put on notice. Consequently they now find themselves permanently excluded from all future gps updates! Perhaps more importantly to their business is that Trademe knows exactly who they are, and where and how they got the database they were promoting with their sales. Trademe also recognises that my copyright has been infringed, and are taking this matter seriously. The video evidence I provided to trademe of reading three different serial numbers from inside three different detectors went a long way to make my case persuasive. Obviously whilst my installed files read back the expected serial numbers, the detector I was sent by one of datuk_soon's buyers did not match. I recorded the full unboxing and testing especially for trademe, since they had requested further evidence and proof of testing. Furthermore, whilst that serial number did not match the detector it was installed upon, it did match exactly one of the serial numbers provided by a single user through this forum, along with the accompanying release notes, and encryption warnings. Trademe is also concerned because, it is likely up to six people bought detectors from this seller and none of them likely knew they were compromised. This also puts me in a difficult situation, and I am not looking forward to explaining things to those buyers who paid a lot of money for something that just doesn't work properly.

Accordingly, whilst I am still working hard to develop new gps updates, I am now seeking to impose the following conditions:

1) My databases are released in confidence. Every file as such must be treated in confidence and is not to be made public. Each file is built uniquely for a single detector and is not meant to be shared. The database within the file continues to be subject to copyright and I consider it to remain part of my intellectual property.

2) Detectors which contain my database are not to be sold, or made available to others without my prior written authorisation and approval. Whilst your detector remains your property, my database must be removed and overwritten with one of the official Uniden versions prior to being made available for sale. However, during a transfer of ownership a seller may provide the buyer with my contact details, and in such circumstances it is likely I would honour and continue to provide support and (free) updates for both the seller and/or the buyer.

3) Similarly, detectors containing my database should not be sent away for repair, or returned under warranty. My database must be removed and overwritten with one of the official Uniden versions before the detector is sent away. The only exception to this would be because the detector is damaged and the gps database cannot be updated.

4) Any donations will not be refundable.

5) I also reserve the right to permanently terminate detectors whose owners are in breach of these conditions in circumstances where factual documentary evidence of that breach exists and has been witnessed.



So, ultimately I am sincerely sorry to all of those many users who have been supportive and respectful of my work. Likewise I also acknowledge the work of those many people whose time and efforts assisted me to resolve the intricacies that Uniden built into their gps firmware and database format standard.

If anyone has any questions, or would like to make any comments, please go ahead. At the end of the day, I am find this forum is a great resource and I want it to go from strength to strength. This thread really shouldn't be about me, it's about everyone as a whole, and about those people who are genuinely prepared to share so many experiences and technical expertise that makes this forum such a great thing to be part of.
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What crappy circumstance.

Keep up the good work either way, @Mithheru. I have an R3 but barely use it.
 

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Good for you. There's always someone trying to pull a swifty.
 

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Good on ya bud. There is always someone trying to get a leg up.
Love the work you do. My R3 is still running like a dream.
Glad to help where I can as well
 

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There’s always someone who thinks they’re entitled to something for free. Good on you for calling it out and having a means of defending your hard work.

It’s just such a shame that it had to come to this for what’s clearly been a valuable service for users in NZ.
 

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Fair enough - it sucks that 1 person attempted to make money off you and called your bluff. More fool him and I hope Trademe causes him lots of grief:)
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Hey Mike, I see he still has a R3 for sale on TM today (listing 2521069589)
 
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Hey Mike, I see he still has a R3 for sale on TM today (listing 2521069589)
Yes, I know, I'm waiting on final confirmation from trademe. Based upon what they have said, I feel it is likely they will close down at least these sales. If he is allowed to continue to sell other items will come down to trademe. I would think it will take trademe a day or so to review all my evidence, and it may also have to go through their legal team.

Lets just see what happens... Fingers crossed they will exclude the seller altogether. He's registered as 'in trade' which therefore means he's also subject to consumer guarantees act. This is one of the reasons its quite serious for trademe. I guess the sellers actions may also affect how much action trademe might take. Perhaps I'll give the guy on the forum a gentle prod, just in case he hasn't read this thread yet....

Actually whilst writing this I just got this email:
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[XXXX - I had to remove some details]

"Hi XXXX,

Thanks for getting back to me once again with that clarification, your effort in helping us get this sorted is much appreciated.

At this stage, we're on the same page with you that there is an infringement here occurring on your copyright. You're exactly right that you don't need to register anything because copyright occurs organically in New Zealand, and your digital translation of that data into software is considered as a creative work. As such I will be happy to remove the listing for you, however I would just like to clarify a few more points with you before we cross that bridge.

So we don't implicate your friends into a sticky trade, I want to assure you all of the evidence you have provided me will remain confidential unless we receive your permission to disclose specific details. XXXX... we've received supporting evidence that the software in this device is causing an infringement on the author's creative work.

Unfortunately if I was to provide your contact information to the seller's buyers it would be out of step with our privacy standards. I appreciate that you're willing for your details to be passed on rather than requesting the buyer's details, however we still don't feel comfortable in facilitating this correspondence. In saying that, I still appreciate your concern around the item being affected by the encryption process so I'll put this on our Disputes team's radar in case anything crops up in the future on this.

Once you get back to me confirming you're happy with us proceeding with the above points I can have the listing removed from the site for you soon after.

I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have.

Kind regards,
XXXX

Policy and Compliance Adviser
Trust and Safety
http://www.trademe.co.nz"
 
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I'm not usually a forum poster but I thought I'd reply anyway, since there is always 2 sides to every story

I was in the USA and purchased an R3 while travelling as I didn't want a trigger happy cop shooting me at for speeding.
Anyway, coming back to NZ I thought it would be great to be able to use it here, so as with everyone else I started searching Google and forums etc.
I stumbled across some threads here and reached out to Mithheru
Mithheru had the solution for me to be able to use my USA R3 in NZ
Based on our brief private messages I did understand that the database would be locked to the serial number I originally submitted as the database was "designed only to give a about 60-70% of alerts if installed on the wrong hardware"
My family and friends were impressed at the performance of my cheaply acquired USA converted to NZ database Uniden R3. So I bought a carton of refurbished units from eBay, with the intention of giving them to my partner, brother, father, best friend etc.
As my family and friends lived in Auckland and from the testing I had done I couldn't see a difference if installed on another unit so I thought ok sure no harm as they weren't originally for sale

It was only some time later friends of friends wanted units so I thought ok I'll just put a listing on TM, and I got more and more interest so I listed more and more

Never did I think I was breaking any law regarding copyright and never was I made aware that I would be called out and slandered on a public forum in this way

A simple private message would have been sufficient, really.

Going forward I'm happy to desist in using your database Mithheru and I'm more than happy to contact those who I have the R3s from me and come up with a solution
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Just as a side note, you've basically painted me as someone who has committed the most heinous crime
I've replied to every PM you've sent me and again, if you had simply messaged me instead of being a sneaky investigator you would have saved a lot of time and effort

If you decided to ever take the time to know me in the real world I am a multiple business owner, father of 3 and generally an all round great guy

I don't know, maybe some of this will resonate and be relevant to a random reader, but really I don't think I deserve being called out like this
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Sorry the more I think about this the more I am annoyed at how you have conducted yourself Mithheru simply because it now appears that the software being loaded on to my family and friends R3s can be remotely controlled by you?
If I was actually aware of that fact and the new conditions you have now imposed I would have never of used your service in the first place

You effectively have provided a service that people want, for free, then changed the terms and conditions after mass deployment and consumption, and now alerting the authorities of my criminal actions
 
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I always made it clear that my database was encrypted. I always made it clear it was not built to be shared, not for installing on more than one detector, and not to be made for selling at profit. It was previously freely available to all, so you could have requested another copy, or asked your friend to contact me directly.

The facts speak for themselves. I also never mentioned your forum name, I only mentioned your serial number which is simply proof my encryption works as it was intended to do. I had no issues revealing your serial number, as you chose to ignore my conditions of release. Copyright law is another issue. I didn't make that law, but you chose to break it.
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I've also sent a PM, which is probably where the rest of the discussion I have on the matter should probably now go.

However, I also want to say the gps in the radar detectors receives satellite data only. As far as I am aware, they do not have the ability to transmit back to the satellite. If these things could be used as tracking devices, then the same would apply to every other device that had a gps chip in. So, no, factually I am not tracing people's movements. Frankly, I also just wouldn't have the time.

I also want to make it clear to those of you already using my database, the above conditions don't really change very much. I am not retrospectively charging existing forum users. I would once again also like to extend my gratitude and thanks to so many of you who have contributed to my work in many ways, in terms of testing time, sending photos, dashcam footage etc.. I also would like to thank those users who have sent donations or other gifts in my direction, those voluntary acts of kindness speak loader than words.

As I have said several times before, if I could make the whole thing open source, and with Uniden's approval, and in a world where it wouldn't be exploited then that would have already happened. Those who know me from the start know that that was always my original intention. The world just doesn't work that way. Let not speak more about o51r15. If it wasn't him, sooner or later, someone else probably would have come to the forum and ended up doing a similar thing. That's ultimately why encryption has to be applied.

That's also the trouble with the encryption: If you make it standardised, in a similar way to what Uniden had done, you can start to figure out what makes it all work. If you change it to make none of it work, people tweek it to try to see if they can make it work, and then if successful everything suddenly works. Therefore I settled with allowing most of it to still work when installed incorrectly. But then also ensuring every file I make for each detector is different. So even having two files for the same release, for different detectors (as some of you have), you'll see the binary is not the same even though when installed on their correct detectors and used side by side they both get the exact identical alert!
 
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So I bought a carton of refurbished units from eBay, with the intention of giving them to my partner, brother, father, best friend etc.
It was only some time later friends of friends wanted units so I thought ok I'll just put a listing on TM, and I got more and more interest so I listed more and more.
A simple private message would have been sufficient, really.
Did your brother, father, best friend etc pay you (NZD$400 minimum each) for the detectors?

How many R3s in a carton? More than 4? If so, you were always going to have leftovers that you were going to sell to recoup your costs.
Or, you are very generous buying a whole carton with the intention of giving them all away!

Yes a simple private message (to Mithheru) would have been sufficient, really.
 
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Okay, enough guys, lets not let this thread dominate the great stuff that goes on elsewhere on the forum.
 

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the actions of some people!!!

and heres me with a theia on order thinking i need to send it to mittheru to crack open and hack the db when it finally release.

then again in uniden nz or usa finally enable auto lockouts on the r7 i will probably spring for that and hand down my r3 to wifey
 

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I'm not usually a forum poster but I thought I'd reply anyway, since there is always 2 sides to every story

I was in the USA and purchased an R3 while travelling as I didn't want a trigger happy cop shooting me at for speeding.
Anyway, coming back to NZ I thought it would be great to be able to use it here, so as with everyone else I started searching Google and forums etc.
I stumbled across some threads here and reached out to Mithheru
Mithheru had the solution for me to be able to use my USA R3 in NZ
Based on our brief private messages I did understand that the database would be locked to the serial number I originally submitted as the database was "designed only to give a about 60-70% of alerts if installed on the wrong hardware"
My family and friends were impressed at the performance of my cheaply acquired USA converted to NZ database Uniden R3. So I bought a carton of refurbished units from eBay, with the intention of giving them to my partner, brother, father, best friend etc.
As my family and friends lived in Auckland and from the testing I had done I couldn't see a difference if installed on another unit so I thought ok sure no harm as they weren't originally for sale

It was only some time later friends of friends wanted units so I thought ok I'll just put a listing on TM, and I got more and more interest so I listed more and more

Never did I think I was breaking any law regarding copyright and never was I made aware that I would be called out and slandered on a public forum in this way

A simple private message would have been sufficient, really.

Going forward I'm happy to desist in using your database Mithheru and I'm more than happy to contact those who I have the R3s from me and come up with a solution
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Just as a side note, you've basically painted me as someone who has committed the most heinous crime
I've replied to every PM you've sent me and again, if you had simply messaged me instead of being a sneaky investigator you would have saved a lot of time and effort

If you decided to ever take the time to know me in the real world I am a multiple business owner, father of 3 and generally an all round great guy

I don't know, maybe some of this will resonate and be relevant to a random reader, but really I don't think I deserve being called out like this
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Sorry the more I think about this the more I am annoyed at how you have conducted yourself Mithheru simply because it now appears that the software being loaded on to my family and friends R3s can be remotely controlled by you?
If I was actually aware of that fact and the new conditions you have now imposed I would have never of used your service in the first place

You effectively have provided a service that people want, for free, then changed the terms and conditions after mass deployment and consumption, and now alerting the authorities of my criminal actions
You saw a chance to make a buck out of someone else's efforts. You never thought to ask first. A "multiple business owner" who doesn't know basic business legalities, like IP protection?
Now you're the victim because you're a "great guy".
Spare us this nonsense. You've been sprung and don't like the feeling
 

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@Mithheru I have not seen any of your other threads but reading over this one I want to thank you for the hard work you've done and the amount of security/effort/meticulous work you've put into the updates. Thank you.
 

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Guys, I think both parties have had their say and hopefully moved to resolving this via PM. I am closing this, any issues please PM me.
 
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