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Jon,

I just watched your update video. Thanks for posting and keeping us in the loop on the developments.

I have always wondered, and watching the video made me think about it again, is why is there no "remote" interior radar detector? I have offered this idea up on the forum before some thought it was a decent idea and other not. I am guessing I am out on an island on this one.

So my idea is this:
Enclose your "mother board" in a case that can be mounted under a seat or under the dash in a place where you can run power/data to connects and connections to front and rear antennas or a combined F/R antenna box?

My thinking is that without a display, lower heat budget, no buttons and since you don't have protect it from the environment like true remote antenna module, the antenna case could be very thin/small and be able to be mounted virtually anywhere on the windshield. My thought would be a form factor that is considerably smaller than any F/R dual horn detector on the market today. If you had two antennas (each being even smaller) you could mount one on the front and one on the rear glass like the RCM

Then take a display like on the RCM and place it anywhere that is usable in the vehicle. You access the programming controls via cable and/or bluetooth. Now you have arrows, concealment, and a way to mount the antenna high on the windshield for better performance.

Just a thought....
 

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I have always wondered, and watching the video made me think about it again, is why is there no "remote" interior radar detector? I have offered this idea up on the forum before some thought it was a decent idea and other not. I am guessing I am out on an island on this one.
The closest thing I've seen to what you describe was the Escort SmartRadar. It was a compact headless bluetooth linked detector that could be windshield mounted, had a remote screen, but wasn't meant to be placed outside the vehicle.

 

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You pretty much described my mostly hidden V1. Smaller that the Theia horn assembly will be in two dimensions. (Horns might be less than an inch)

I too would love to have a non-descript box option with the display somewhere else. Jon has already said that such an idea will be possible.😊
 

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Honestly this is something I would love, I use ghetto arrows right now and having the ability to mount two smaller things more discretely on the windhield (that dont look like an RD) makes it stealthier and wouldn't require removal if a PD pulls you, you would arrows, and no interferance between antennas like you can with ghetto arrows, and doesn't require complicated through the firewall routing. but it's probably not a large enough market to make it a thing.... i know you could mount the external remote mounts inside but they are big and clunky.
 

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Jon,

I just watched your update video. Thanks for posting and keeping us in the loop on the developments.

I have always wondered, and watching the video made me think about it again, is why is there no "remote" interior radar detector? I have offered this idea up on the forum before some thought it was a decent idea and other not. I am guessing I am out on an island on this one.

So my idea is this:
Enclose your "mother board" in a case that can be mounted under a seat or under the dash in a place where you can run power/data to connects and connections to front and rear antennas or a combined F/R antenna box?

My thinking is that without a display, lower heat budget, no buttons and since you don't have protect it from the environment like true remote antenna module, the antenna case could be very thin/small and be able to be mounted virtually anywhere on the windshield. My thought would be a form factor that is considerably smaller than any F/R dual horn detector on the market today. If you had two antennas (each being even smaller) you could mount one on the front and one on the rear glass like the RCM

Then take a display like on the RCM and place it anywhere that is usable in the vehicle. You access the programming controls via cable and/or bluetooth. Now you have arrows, concealment, and a way to mount the antenna high on the windshield for better performance.

Just a thought....
Simple, COST!

Now instead of building one box that needs power, they have to manufacture 4 boxes. Then there are the extra long data and power cables. Plus it makes it very hard or very time consuming plus a messy install if one wishes to move it between vehicles on the weekend. I got tried of moving my V1 between my daily driver and the car we drive on the weekend so I bought a second V1. Two remote systems has a much higher price tag then two WMRDs.
 

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and no interferance between antennas like you can with ghetto arrows,
Just because it's a remote system doesn't mean you won't get interference if you install the antennas too close to each other. With a typical remote install the entire vehicle separates the receivers, so the risk of interference is greatly reduced. If you installed both antennas in the passenger compartment (especially in a smaller sedan), you can certainly get interference between remote antennas. I've even seen it with my Spectre stealth Stinger VIP system when I had the antennas too close together (side by side) when bench testing.
 

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Just because it's a remote system doesn't mean you won't get interference if you install the antennas too close to each other. With a typical remote install the entire vehicle separates the receivers, so the risk of interference is greatly reduced. If you installed both antennas in the passenger compartment (especially in a smaller sedan), you can certainly get interference between remote antennas. I've even seen it with my Spectre stealth Stinger VIP system when I had the antennas too close together (side by side) when bench testing.
If the system is built like say an V1 or R7 such that the antennas are built to be in close contact with each other and not interfere it might be OK, using a remote system inside thats not designed to have the anntennas like that would likely be a problem. basically i just want a R7 that i can pop the antennas off and stick on the front /rear window :)
 

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If the system is built like say an V1 or R7 such that the antennas are built to be in close contact with each other and not interfere it might be OK, using a remote system inside thats not designed to have the anntennas like that would likely be a problem. basically i just want a R7 that i can pop the antennas off and stick on the front /rear window :)
All dual-horn detectors like the V1 and R7 (and Max360) use a common LO for both horns (switching back and forth), so they do not exhibit interference. Interference is caused by having multiple LOs in close proximity (such as in two independent detectors), where the signal from one can be picked up by the other.
 

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You pretty much described my mostly hidden V1. Smaller that the Theia horn assembly will be in two dimensions. (Horns might be less than an inch)

I too would love to have a non-descript box option with the display somewhere else. Jon has already said that such an idea will be possible.😊
Agree.
My v1 sits on the upper passenger side visor, constant dark mode. B Remote display in instrument cluster, Remote audio on steering column, remote mute button on turn signal stalk... Configuration changes thru V1Driver or JBV1 apps. Great setup and a new RD would need to have similar features. I can't imagine going back to reaching for an RD or looking at it to see the critical information.
 

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Another consideration might be performance.
AFAIK, all the remotes offer longer range because they are not handicapped by size as much as a windshield detector. The exception might be against the R7.

The size of the RC-M antenna is quite a bit bigger than the whole Pro-M. Of course it’s designed to give great performance behind other obstacles than just glass, so there’s that.
If it’s made too small to be esthetically pleasing, would you lose any performance benefit or make it worse than a normal WS detector? Would it sell in numbers large enough to justify the tooling? Not sure it would be worth it.

Part of being stealth, especially in a high end car, is total stealth. Look at the lengths some installers go to to hide the display.
 

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AFAIK, all the remotes offer longer range because they are not handicapped by size as much as a windshield detector.
This would be a good hypothesis to test along with other scenarios. Does range for remote mount detectors decrease if the detectors are mounted inside the vehicle, versus mounted outside?
 

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This would be a good hypothesis to test along with other scenarios. Does range for mote mount detectors decrease if the detectors are mounted inside the vehicle, versus mounted outside?
Not 100% sure, but my RC-M always has the better MRCD range and it was way better than any of my WS detectors in my November 2018 K band test.

I kind of chalked up the better results due to the size of the antenna.

It could probably do much better if it was up on my dash than just above the Ram Head behind my grill. I’m not sure if it being behind glass would be that much different, but the elevation probably would help
It could probably do much better if it was up on my dash than just above the Ram Head behind my grill. I’m not sure if it being behind glass would be that much different, but the elevation probably would help

If you look at the picture below, the green frog tape represents where the antenna is.
 

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Simple, COST!

Now instead of building one box that needs power, they have to manufacture 4 boxes. Then there are the extra long data and power cables. Plus it makes it very hard or very time consuming plus a messy install if one wishes to move it between vehicles on the weekend. I got tried of moving my V1 between my daily driver and the car we drive on the weekend so I bought a second V1. Two remote systems has a much higher price tag then two WMRDs.
With all do disrespect have to disagree. With your logic there would not be any remote detectors. If I am willing to spend, for example 1.5K on a stinger or 1.8K for a RCM plus installation then this is a no brainier.

The only box that would take any real amount of engineering would be the antenna(s). Should you go with two antennas you need two plastic cases that can mount to a windshield. If you build one case with dual antennas the you drop that down considerably.

You don't have to harden the antennas to environmental concerns (if you have two) and data cables cost pennies give me a break there. I can buy 1000' of cat6 with POE for a couple of hundred bucks.

You can take an existing display so no real modifications there either unless you want to modify it.

For those of us that would love to install something ourselves, have dual antennas, and nothing hanging from my/our windshields then I say win win. I will take a Thia for my main driver with remote display, two or one antenna(s) and call it a day. For the other car my ProM can stand in.

Would it cost more sure, would I pay sure. You purchased 2 V1's so you were a what $800 in before hardwire kits, BLE modules, remote displays so no small investment there.

This option is not for everyone but I think it is a good option with reasonable costs to develop so maybe the price would be between a high-end windshield detector and and a high-end remote detector.

I am in if your listening Radenso!
 

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@TominVirginia,
How much of a difference would it make to you to have a single antenna box to install in the interior?

Maybe with a solid custom bracket that attaches to your mirror mount or visor screw and places the box right up to the edge of the windshield.
Then you'd have the electronics to deal with but what if those can comfortably fit in with the antennas and there are no harmful effects of the unit being installed 24/7 even in the summer.

My point in asking this is that the Theia dimensions are expected to be around 5.6" x 3.4" x 1.4". (A little bit longer and not quite as wide as a MAX 360)

Roughly aligning two horns without them being attached to the glass is not the easiest thing to do. Simplifying the process with one box makes it more feasible.

Thoughts?
 

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Of course this isn't something most folks would want to do, but I believe @francky06l, the developer of YaV1, hid his V1 in the headrest of the passenger seat. He lives (lived?) in a country where driving with a radar detector could be a big issue and developed the YaV1 app so his V1 couldn't be seen or heard. All visual and audible alerts were from his phone. Laser detection was lost, but front and rear radar detection worked quite well.
 

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There are a lot of examples of detectors being installed inside custom overhead compartments that still have a good radar "view" through the windshield, or sitting in a factory looking custom enclosure on the back deck.

The ability to view and operate a detector remotely makes all of this possible. :)
 

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With all do disrespect have to disagree. With your logic there would not be any remote detectors. If I am willing to spend, for example 1.5K on a stinger or 1.8K for a RCM plus installation then this is a no brainier.

The only box that would take any real amount of engineering would be the antenna(s). Should you go with two antennas you need two plastic cases that can mount to a windshield. If you build one case with dual antennas the you drop that down considerably.

You don't have to harden the antennas to environmental concerns (if you have two) and data cables cost pennies give me a break there. I can buy 1000' of cat6 with POE for a couple of hundred bucks.

You can take an existing display so no real modifications there either unless you want to modify it.

For those of us that would love to install something ourselves, have dual antennas, and nothing hanging from my/our windshields then I say win win. I will take a Thia for my main driver with remote display, two or one antenna(s) and call it a day. For the other car my ProM can stand in.

Would it cost more sure, would I pay sure. You purchased 2 V1's so you were a what $800 in before hardwire kits, BLE modules, remote displays so no small investment there.

This option is not for everyone but I think it is a good option with reasonable costs to develop so maybe the price would be between a high-end windshield detector and and a high-end remote detector.

I am in if your listening Radenso!

WHAT???? Think you need to reread my post. Nowhere did I say remote detectors don't exist, BUT I did say they cost MORE (Radenso and all other remotes on the Planet prove that because why, they all cost more then their WMRD counter parts)! Soooooooooooooooooo, if one is going to make remote mount and go to the extra cost of additional encloses, sections, parts, extreme cable runs, lower unit sales, then why not take actual advantage of that with Maximum separation by mounting all the way up front and all the way in the back?

So since I NEVER said it couldn't be done, if the RD is going to be inside the vehicle a single unit WMRD is Waaaaaaaay cheaper to make, less to go wrong for the End User, and can be easily moved between vehicle and oh yeah, did I mention the cost IE manufacture is going sell more Windshield Mount RDs.

What I am actually waiting for is just. windshield mount RD with no display but with dual horns. It would have BT and require an App and Smartphone for the display. Then the RD is mounted high to the headliner and the Smartphone display can be mounted anywhere.

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Reading some comments from the original Q&A Jon did say a remote detector may be possible but attention is currently on windscreen mounted units and will be until they are happy with it.
Speaking from a country/state where radar detectors are illegal, remote mount can sometimes be the only answer. Hopefully Theia becomes the radar equivalent of Alp. Ideally a remote mount unit, with control pad, led light and a speaker with the option of using both light and speaker or either speaker/light by it self. If it came with a screen to identify the gun being used then great but I'd be happy with vocal warnings like alp. For now all wishful thinking.
 

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Reading some comments from the original Q&A Jon did say a remote detector may be possible but attention is currently on windscreen mounted units and will be until they are happy with it.
This is also answered in our Theia FAQ
 

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