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It is drama. You can call Valentine One and find out they’re still in business, answering calls with their lights still on.

The problem is people don’t go straight to the horses mouth anymore and this is how this stuff gets started.

Not even sure why you’d buy your V1 through a 3rd party. I get used sales but past that...
With companies oversees advertising themselves as official distributors or resellers, its not exactly crazy to think that someone might get confused. Its not like these companies always have the most professionalized overseas presences. I.e. without the forums, I would never have believed that BestRadarDetectors.net was the official North America reseller of ALP. Valentine1europe.com sounds pretty damn legit and is the second result for "Valentine 1 europe" on google.
 

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Edit: Definitely not the company Michael started when he was selling V1's.

So this was not Michael's old company before he started Radenso!
 
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It is drama. You can call Valentine One and find out they’re still in business, answering calls with their lights still on.

The problem is people don’t go straight to the horses mouth anymore and this is how this stuff gets started.

Not even sure why you’d buy your V1 through a 3rd party. I get used sales but past that...
A forum post is a lot cheaper than an international call (on off hours for yourself to boot). And as others have mentioned already, there's a vendor in Europe who's set himself up as a Valentine distributor it would seem. You really can't bust the chops of a poor soul who doesn't live on this side of the pond for not knowing what you know about an American business and their operations. I mean, you can I suppose, but that's really on you, not them.

I applaud the guy for taking the initiative to come here and ask.
 
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Let's just see how many of the complainers buy a V1 when they're available. But I'm sure we'll just hear.....silence.
 

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Let's just see how many of the complainers buy a V1 when they're available. But I'm sure we'll just hear.....silence.
What!?! I really don't understand this comment at all. I'm so lost in it.

Are you expecting people to complain about no stock when there finally are V1s in stock or are you expecting that the people who stated they were tired of waiting and were moving on to something else to suddenly turn around, come back here and buy a V1 and then bag on it just as a last volley of shots fired against V1?

Of course the complaining will stop when there is a new unit out. The people that want it will buy it, the people that don't, won't. But you can rest your head secure in the knowledge that when the unit is back in stock, complaints about the lack of stock will most assuredly stop.

I would anticipate that when the new unit finally does ship, you'll get a bunch more traffic in this subforum for a bit with folks asking about features, comparing old models versus new to see what changed, testing results against other detectors to see what might have changed, maybe even internal teardowns we all ogle over.

...and then eventually there will be a few people that have some complaints about the new V1, and a couple of the kind members will offer help, and all the crabby diehard V1 fans will call them heretics and drive them from the boards with pitchforks and fire and we'll all be back to normal operations around here.

I get the feeling sometimes that people just want every post in this subforum to read like a V1 moment of the month, and if it doesn't, God bless the poor wretch who posted.

Complaints about a lack of stock of an enthusiast device is proper on an enthusiast's site. But is complaining about complainer's complaints thereby added to the total of complaints on the board? Is that working toward a solution or exacerbating your own problem?

They are twisting off about a radar detector, you seem to be twisting off on people. Which one is this forum dedicated to, detectors or people?
 
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Agreed squirrel, this started about a particular radar detector distributor and trailed to discuss others; then trailed back into members jumping around about what Mike likes and who agrees or disagrees with that. And people suck... but we all know that already. Who here honestly has any good faith in any people?! Lol...

Lets keep it civil and on topic?

There is only one official place to buy Valentine 1 radar detectors, directly from Valentine in Ohio.
 

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A forum post is a lot cheaper than an international call (on off hours for yourself to boot). And as others have mentioned already, there's a vendor in Europe who's set himself up as a Valentine distributor it would seem. You really can't bust the chops of a poor soul who doesn't live on this side of the pond for not knowing what you know about an American business and their operations. I mean, you can I suppose, but that's really on you, not them.

I applaud the guy for taking the initiative to come here and ask.
I buy from Europe regularly. There are many FREE options to dial international.
 

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Could be the calling directly to Valentine was getting the typical results and the OP, or whom ever, wanted to see if there was some other reason from the enthusiasts who frequent the V1 section. Maybe they have more information on what the back story is.

I know I probably would try that after awhile if really wanted to buy a particular product.
 

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@aim4squirrels how sincere we’re you in your post? It was either very sarcastic and patronizing or it was off the mark in many ways. Every post has to read like a V1 Moment? Really?

People are not just complaining about a radar detector. They’re complaining about MV himself, putting shame on him, declaring him to be a failure in many ways. They’re suggesting that everyone else should be similarly mad at him and consider themselves disrespected.

It’s also not uncommon for the endless carousel of people wandering in to take cheap shots to be the same ones who not only don’t run a V1 in the first place but also talk about how dumb and primitive and obsolete it is, and that anyone who runs one should really try something out of the 21st century instead of being a loser.

It’s not that the V1 forum is mean. It’s that anyone who holds a sincere interest in the V1 is a little like an abused dog that the kids throw rocks at in the back yard. Might make us a little jumpy when some new kid comes along with a pocket full of gravel.

PS You guys, looks like V1 Europe is brankrupt, you guys.
 
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@aim4squirrels how sincere we’re you in your post? It was either very sarcastic and patronizing or it was off the mark in many ways. Every post has to read like a V1 Moment? Really?

People are not just complaining about a radar detector. They’re complaining about MV himself, putting shame on him, declaring him to be a failure in many ways. They’re suggesting that everyone else should be similarly mad at him and consider themselves disrespected.

It’s also not uncommon for the endless carousel of people wandering in to take cheap shots to be the same ones who not only don’t run a V1 in the first place but also talk about how dumb and primitive and obsolete it is, and that anyone who runs one should really try something out of the 21st century instead of being a loser.

It’s not that the V1 forum is mean. It’s that anyone who holds a sincere interest in the V1 is a little like an abused dog that the kids throw rocks at in the back yard. Might make us a little jumpy when some new kid comes along with a pocket full of gravel.
These appeals to civility are not exactly said in good faith and ring as hollow as the inside of a $7 Chinese detector.

But, despite the hypocrisy, are we to argue against civility just because one person or another is not an ideal messenger? If you get to the point that you agree with the principle but question the motives then ignore the motives and take the principle, seems to me.
 

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What!?! I really don't understand this comment at all. I'm so lost in it.

Are you expecting people to complain about no stock when there finally are V1s in stock or are you expecting that the people who stated they were tired of waiting and were moving on to something else to suddenly turn around, come back here and buy a V1 and then bag on it just as a last volley of shots fired against V1?

Of course the complaining will stop when there is a new unit out. The people that want it will buy it, the people that don't, won't. But you can rest your head secure in the knowledge that when the unit is back in stock, complaints about the lack of stock will most assuredly stop.

I would anticipate that when the new unit finally does ship, you'll get a bunch more traffic in this subforum for a bit with folks asking about features, comparing old models versus new to see what changed, testing results against other detectors to see what might have changed, maybe even internal teardowns we all ogle over.

...and then eventually there will be a few people that have some complaints about the new V1, and a couple of the kind members will offer help, and all the crabby diehard V1 fans will call them heretics and drive them from the boards with pitchforks and fire and we'll all be back to normal operations around here.

I get the feeling sometimes that people just want every post in this subforum to read like a V1 moment of the month, and if it doesn't, God bless the poor wretch who posted.

Complaints about a lack of stock of an enthusiast device is proper on an enthusiast's site. But is complaining about complainer's complaints thereby added to the total of complaints on the board? Is that working toward a solution or exacerbating your own problem?

They are twisting off about a radar detector, you seem to be twisting off on people. Which one is this forum dedicated to, detectors or people?
I think what he’s trying to say is:

The people that are complaining or pointing out that there is no stock of V1’s are the ones who don’t care if there is a V1 out there at all. They won’t buy it even if it were in stock or updated.

To some of us... we don’t care that it might not have the most up to date display or longest range. We like it because we like it.

 

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Who’s arguing against civility? More importantly, is there some instance of someone being uncivil that we’re supposed to be condemning?

I’m not aware of a lot of egregious incivility here. I think the main thing people are noticing is that the well of patience is running nearly dry among the tifosi. The silence of VR itself has been a source of frustration both directly as well as providing opportunistic haters cheap fodder. And then people of questionable sincerity publicly writing off VR forever draw that well down a little further. When everything’s going great, it’s a lot easier to ignore the trolls or be studiously patient with others. When that well is running low, it’s a lot more difficult. So it’s not particularly surprising if people are a little quicker to frustration or a little quicker question whether unusual stories of oddball V1 behaviors.
 

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You had asked about the level of his sincerity.

In response, my suggestion was to arrive at your own judgment about his sincerity. The principle of his argument can stand or fall on it's own merits independent of the credibility of the sincerity.
 

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I only asked about his sincerity since it seemed somewhat tone deaf and exaggerated, and it wasn’t clear whether it’s because he just stopped in to sneer and wag his finger or if he was sincere and simply out of touch, those being the two options from my perspective.

I guess a lot of how you interpret the current state of things is dependent largely on your intrinsic personality, level of familiarity, and preconceptions regarding the V1 and those who use it or are legitimately interested. If @aim4squirrels truly feels that “crabby diehard V1 fans will call them heretics and drive them from the boards with pitchforks and fire” and that “people just want every post in this subforum to read like a V1 moment of the month,” then he’s well off-target.

Worse is the suggestion that people throwing rocks at VR, the V1, and V1 users, are “twisting off about a radar detector” (new term for me but I think I get it from context) while the ones being pelted by the rocks “seem to be twisting off on people.” While the second part is probably accurate, it’s the inaccuracy of the first part that throws the second into a different light.

I really don’t see anyone saying they like the V1 and are eagerly anticipating its return to availability—or even better a new, upgrade version—and are only growing frustrated with VR for delays and not announcing publicly all the details of the delay are really being met with any hostility whatsoever.
 

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@aim4squirrels how sincere we’re you in your post? It was either very sarcastic and patronizing or it was off the mark in many ways. Every post has to read like a V1 Moment? Really?

People are not just complaining about a radar detector. They’re complaining about MV himself, putting shame on him, declaring him to be a failure in many ways. They’re suggesting that everyone else should be similarly mad at him and consider themselves disrespected.

It’s also not uncommon for the endless carousel of people wandering in to take cheap shots to be the same ones who not only don’t run a V1 in the first place but also talk about how dumb and primitive and obsolete it is, and that anyone who runs one should really try something out of the 21st century instead of being a loser.

It’s not that the V1 forum is mean. It’s that anyone who holds a sincere interest in the V1 is a little like an abused dog that the kids throw rocks at in the back yard. Might make us a little jumpy when some new kid comes along with a pocket full of gravel.

PS You guys, looks like V1 Europe is brankrupt, you guys.
Nope, I was totally sincere in perception of a few members here in the V1 boards. The OP got bagged on for no good reason and when I attempted to stand up for him, others continued negative rhetoric toward him or towards others in general. I have witnessed this before on this board. And it truly is not limited to the V1 forum, but my perception is that it's a little more biting here than in other areas, save for Escort, which I have addressed earlier as to why I think that particular vitriol exists.

I get that the V1 fans may be a bit weathered by the recent events of the past 9 months and the piqued interest in this subforum in the current state of affairs at VR. I would hope all our senior membership can be a bit more understanding with each other, but I absolutely can't understand bagging on brand new members who can't be even a little bit guilty in the hurt feelings and attitudes around here. We're not going to foster new membership like that, and without new membership, this forum will die, even if it's a slow death.

I don't personally believe my observation is entirely out of line. Your opinion may vary and you are entitled to it. I'm going to try and walk the walk of being more understanding around here, and ANYONE here is free to call me out if I don't.
 

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Nope, I was totally sincere in perception of a few members here in the V1 boards. The OP got bagged on for no good reason and when I attempted to stand up for him, others continued negative rhetoric toward him or towards others in general. I have witnessed this before on this board. And it truly is not limited to the V1 forum, but my perception is that it's a little more biting here than in other areas, save for Escort, which I have addressed earlier as to why I think that particular vitriol exists.

I get that the V1 fans may be a bit weathered by the recent events of the past 9 months and the piqued interest in this subforum in the current state of affairs at VR. I would hope all our senior membership can be a bit more understanding with each other, but I absolutely can't understand bagging on brand new members who can't be even a little bit guilty in the hurt feelings and attitudes around here. We're not going to foster new membership like that, and without new membership, this forum will die, even if it's a slow death.

I don't personally believe my observation is entirely out of line. Your opinion may vary and you are entitled to it. I'm going to try and walk the walk of being more understanding around here, and ANYONE here is free to call me out if I don't.
Now this is DRAMA...

All we’re saying is:

1. V1 is not out of business.
2. Their phone is open and willing to take calls and their lights are on.

What you’re saying is we’re pushing him away from the forums for telling him that.

I think you need to reread what was posted but with a different demeanor.

I dunno but as a child I know I was taught not to listen to hearsay. This is how inaccurate rumors start. To get information from the source was always best. All we were doing was correcting bad info and offering advice.
 

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@aim4squirrels how sincere we’re you in your post? It was either very sarcastic and patronizing or it was off the mark in many ways. Every post has to read like a V1 Moment? Really?

People are not just complaining about a radar detector. They’re complaining about MV himself, putting shame on him, declaring him to be a failure in many ways. They’re suggesting that everyone else should be similarly mad at him and consider themselves disrespected.

It’s also not uncommon for the endless carousel of people wandering in to take cheap shots to be the same ones who not only don’t run a V1 in the first place but also talk about how dumb and primitive and obsolete it is, and that anyone who runs one should really try something out of the 21st century instead of being a loser.

It’s not that the V1 forum is mean. It’s that anyone who holds a sincere interest in the V1 is a little like an abused dog that the kids throw rocks at in the back yard. Might make us a little jumpy when some new kid comes along with a pocket full of gravel.

PS You guys, looks like V1 Europe is brankrupt, you guys.
Thank you, this saved me the effort.
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You had asked about the level of his sincerity.

In response, my suggestion was to arrive at your own judgment about his sincerity. The principle of his argument can stand or fall on it's own merits independent of the credibility of the sincerity.
I couldn't disagree more. Taking many of the anti VR comments at face value is naive at best.
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Nope, I was totally sincere in perception of a few members here in the V1 boards. The OP got bagged on for no good reason and when I attempted to stand up for him, others continued negative rhetoric toward him or towards others in general. I have witnessed this before on this board. And it truly is not limited to the V1 forum, but my perception is that it's a little more biting here than in other areas, save for Escort, which I have addressed earlier as to why I think that particular vitriol exists.

I get that the V1 fans may be a bit weathered by the recent events of the past 9 months and the piqued interest in this subforum in the current state of affairs at VR. I would hope all our senior membership can be a bit more understanding with each other, but I absolutely can't understand bagging on brand new members who can't be even a little bit guilty in the hurt feelings and attitudes around here. We're not going to foster new membership like that, and without new membership, this forum will die, even if it's a slow death.

I don't personally believe my observation is entirely out of line. Your opinion may vary and you are entitled to it. I'm going to try and walk the walk of being more understanding around here, and ANYONE here is free to call me out if I don't.
I didn't think his post was bagged. But you have certainly fired up the discussion.
 
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It is drama. You can call Valentine One and find out they’re still in business, answering calls with their lights still on.

The problem is people don’t go straight to the horses mouth anymore and this is how this stuff gets started.

Not even sure why you’d buy your V1 through a 3rd party. I get used sales but past that...
remember that EU and others have been relegated for years to buying the V1 through third party seller /distributors. This is nothing new for AU, NZ, EU, RU etc. Its quite possible that the EU distributor is out of business. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Mike V nor VR.
 

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