New Max II - Review and Regrets

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Note to all: The below comments are under review as newest firmware and hints in posts below are tested.
I have corrected my review comments after exploiting hints from members, using the detector for a few more days and involving it in my K band testing threads. Edits in red color.

Merry Christmas Everyone,
Here I am on Christmas Eve writing a review of the Max II Platinum I just received this afternoon.
This is intended to be a present for my father (75 years) in the morning to replace his 2 9500ix.
I have dozens of videos but I'm exausted trying to load them or edit on this new Chromebook. (Like can't)
I may come back and add to the good and bad list when they pop into my head.
Anyways the good.
Immaculate condition, brand new everything, mint
Quality feels higher end than my Unidens and Radenso, just the feel, weight, fit and finish. It is a handsome detector.
Magnetic mount is nifty, but I thought it would be more than it was. 360c mount apparently has been upgraded. The mount bounces on windshield more than my other 3 detectors in test thread.
Display is sharp and clear, auto brightness works better than Uniden.
Sounds and volumes all good.
Decent amount of features. For the money it is very good. Less customizable than Pro M and R7, but very attractive form and not overly complicated.
Escort live has potential but not here. No users. Used it for settings and troubleshooting. I quit using the app because of time constraints. Comparisons are as a stand alone detector. Escort Live settings mirror the detector which means less settings than 360 series.
It worked each and every time to my Bushnell Velocity 24.125. Stopped, and at every speed, it mirrors alerts of the R7. This was demostrated very well in my testing. Never failed to alert to the Bushnell. Settings affect when it alerts.
It alerts to every door opener the R7 does, on highway mode that is. R7 at 40% is more sensitive, the Max II is probably 20-30% of R7 settings on highway for K. It just alerts a little later and at lower signal level. Mostly true. I had one moon shot that the Max II on highway matched the R7 40% fully filtered. And other shots where Max II fell short.
As far as I can tell every function works but one. (The one I bought the detector for) Everything works 100% perfect. Trying to figure out exactly what Escort describes a function is not as perfect.
30 days to return for refund policy, see comments inn bad section. It's a keeper. Dad has it in operation now.
The neutral ratings.
While the display is good and clear, easily seen on a snowy day and dark night, when comapared against the R7 screen it is less than half the size and not as bright. Advantage R7 but not a reason to reject the Max II. I prefer the standard alert bar and getting rid of the tiny frequency display. More room for the bar graph....
Menu and settings. I expected easier access and selection, intuitive menu. R7 is easier and goes back and forward. Pro M is more simple with more features. Still true but minor difference overall.
Escort Live app. Meh. mostly I would use it as an easier way to adjust settings, which it is. Live doesn't jump my ticker for some reason.Just didn't have time to use it.
The Bad.
Edit 1:
Frequency display mode the display numbers for frequency are too small and not bright enough for good eyes when mounted farther away on windshield. Distance and brightness may affect that evaluation. Still true.

After 5 hours of driving back and forth past my most common door opener signals, using every setting and option, Live and not Live, the one feature that refuses to work is AutoLearn. AutoLearn works and it requires more than one day to start locking out. You can't drive by 3 times and lock out like the old 9500ix. It's too smart for that. ;)
This detector will not autolockout a K band door opener after 7 to 8 passes in both directions (16 passes total)
Multiple places, same result. It works.
This is why I will be showing it to my dad in the morning, Merry Christmas, and return to Escort for a refund. Dad's happy, I'm Happy. It's a keeper.
There is no way no how I will accept this detector without autolockouts for the intended user. It falses to a lot of things and needs this function.
Edit 2: BSM filtering under review as I had to update firmware. Not enough driving since then to make a statement.
Falsing: The highly touted Escort filtering in my brief experience is malarkey, shenanigans and out right BS as far I have experienced. Let me explain... Falsing is greatly reduced. AutoLearn is locking out now. Firmware update reduced BSMs. However there are some doozies. Cadillac Escalade one of the worst. Every day with different Escalades the Max II picks up BSM falses at a long distance both front and back of Escalades. SInce I'm in a Northern Canadian city where big SUVs and Honda Pilot abound, it falses to BSM more than the Pro M and R7. But by a small margin and because of the brand of vehicles popular here.
Falses to every door opener in existance that every other detector does. As many as a R7 @ 40%. More than a Pro M does for sure. Just it exhibits a later alert and lower signal level, but still alerts. (see why AutoLearn is a big deal?)
Falses to many many more BSMs than the R3, R7 and Pro M regardless of vehicle type. It gets them coming at me, me behind them, and crossing a street in front of me while I'm at a light. It falses terribly to many many vehicles, strongly. It is maybe 30% better than my 9500ix for BSM. In other words, poor, really poor. No setting changes do anything except for the next items, which is not much of a positive. Falsing and BSM notes as above.
Auto mode: Definetly quieter detector on automode, at least below 50 kph. Go by a door opener below 50 kph on auto mode and not a peep, beep or tweet out of it. (remember I can't get it to lock out) See my K Band Boxing week testing for results of Auto mode vs Highway mode. Hint: Use highway when possible.
Speed up and next pass at 60 kph I get fulll bars alert, as strong or stronger than the several passes on highway mode. So 50 kph and below K band is almost disabled, no visual or audible alert. 60 kph it's full tilt mode on door opener. Uhg. Give me Pro M auto City or the R7 programming instead of this thing. Auto mode affects K band sensitivity so the slower you go the less sensitive it is. 60 kph and it is like full sensitivity, stopped and I can't get the Bushnell Velocity to alert. Stopped on highway mode and it gets lit up. So be aware of Auto mode function. Not bad but when you get going faster like 100 kph it never reaches full highway mode sensitivity, by a significant amount.
Cruise Alert: I though it wasn't working but it is. But I don't care for the 2 beep alert that is the K band alert. R7 & R3 does this better by allowing user to select not only the speed but tone, and it is only one beep. Trust me after all the videos of me going by door openers today it gets on the nerves hearing K band alerts start over and over every few hundred meters. Still don't care for the 2 beep. One or an option for none.

When I manually lock out the false signal it works perfect, until you pay attention to it as you drive away. It locked out areas that must be 2 kms in radius. Yes radius 2 kms. Funny, while AutoLearn has started to work, manual lockouts seemed to shrink today from when set 2 days ago.....
The Max II will show every K source as locked out and not alert for a minimum 2 kms from where I set it. Distance seems to be changing days later,,,,
It even blocks my Bushnell 2 kms away from lockout location.
Drive down the highway 3 kms from lockout point and the Busnell and door openers alert the Max II again.
Not cool.

Some unedited videos, short clips of me unboxing and driving past Home Depot.
I have at least 50 video clips of driving past signals and trying diferent ways to get AutoLearning working.
Even if AutoLearning was learning I wouldn't have this detector for my personal or wife.
I changed my mind and I think my dad would be better in an R3.
The BSM falsing even if every other funtion was up to snuff is inexcusable. I feel duped by any recommendations that said this detector was quiet.
When I can verify side by side ( I had the R7 with me too) that the R3 & R7 are quieter, then why have it.
Pro M or R3 for dad as soon as the return comes through.
Sorry for any hurt feelings, just saying it the way it was.
Detector is defective, and overated on BSM filtering.
Detector is fine. BSM filtering is good, not excellent. Dad and I are happy with it. I am happy with K band test results in my testing.
I could have used this as a detector for my wife vs the Pro M and saved $250. Pro M is the superior detector though. Both would do the job for her.
Thank you for your patience and tips to help my growing pains in upgrading my Escort fleet.


 
Last edited:

sdrawkcaB

Defender of Light 📶
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
5,256
Reaction score
10,375
Location
Here
In my experience the AutoLearn requires multiple days of time separation between detections before it will consider the passes of a location as a new encounter. I believe this is to prevent it from learning a potential K Band of an officer who likes to camp out at one spot all day long. Think of a cop who could hide near a school zone crossing.
 

Up All Night

Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
Nov 27, 2015
Messages
3,514
Reaction score
3,625
Location
Cleveland, OH
It alerts to every door opener the R7 does, on highway mode that is. R7 at 40% is more sensitive, the Max II is probably 20-30% of R7 settings on highway for K. It just alerts a little later and at lower signal level.
Merry Christmas to You and Your Family too.
Posted from my iPhone using the RDF Mobile App!
 

PHILBERT

left lane, behind your [email protected]$$ ugly SUV_ MOVE OVER!
Intermediate User
Joined
Nov 20, 2018
Messages
450
Reaction score
974
What @sdrawkcaB said is true. The autolearn from the 9500ix days was changed to prevent false lockouts (a good thing). When I get a new detector, I go to all the usual routes and shopping areas my wife and I frequent, and manually lock out "groups" of door openers at a time for maximum efficiency. Example: 50 degree day I go out in the parking lot far from all buildings and look to get as many door openers as I can get at the same time (expert display mode) before I lock them out with one shot. This also works better for lockout radius. But from there on, autolockout works fine over time. Before you know it, the MAX II is quiet...almost too quiet...but you can see the locked out stuff display in gray to be sure your detector is still working.

Actually, my MAX II is my quietest detector (after updating the firmware...default firmware has no BSM/IVT filtering...good for seeing what is out there before you add IVT filtering) with a fair amount of range for the casual speeder. EL is also good for putting the PSL on the MAX II display, so in the event you missed a SL sign you have a quick reference when you get hit. I recommend the MAX II for people that don't care about high tech, don't go much over +10 and don't always pay attention. When set correctly (and you don't need any of that "advanced" 30% stuff), it's probably one of the quietest detectors available. Perfect for general use in areas that don't have MRCD/T or RedFlex, and RD's are legal to use.

Phil
 
Last edited:

Brainstorm69

TXCTG - 2016 MOTY
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 23, 2015
Messages
10,351
Reaction score
23,573
Location
Lone Star State
Merry Christmas Everyone,
Here I am on Christmas Eve writing a review of the Max II Platinum I just received this afternoon.
This is intended to be a present for my father (75 years) in the morning to replace his 2 9500ix.
I have dozens of videos but I'm exausted trying to load them or edit on this new Chromebook. (Like can't)
I may come back and add to the good and bad list when they pop into my head.
Anyways the good.
Immaculate condition, brand new everything, mint
Quality feels higher end than my Unidens and Radenso, just the feel, weight, fit and finish. It is a handsome detector.
Magnetic mount is nifty, but I thought it would be more than it was. 360c mount apparently has been upgraded.
Display is sharp and clear, auto brightness works better than Uniden.
Sounds and volumes all good.
Decent amount of features.
Escort live has potential but not here. No users. Used it for settings and troubleshooting.
It worked each and every time to my Bushnell Velocity 24.125. Stopped, and at every speed, it mirrors alerts of the R7.
It alerts to every door opener the R7 does, on highway mode that is. R7 at 40% is more sensitive, the Max II is probably 20-30% of R7 settings on highway for K. It just alerts a little later and at lower signal level.
As far as I can tell every function works but one. (The one I bought the detector for)
30 days to return for refund policy, see comments inn bad section.
The neutral ratings.
While the display is good and clear, easily seen on a snowy day and dark night, when comapared against the R7 screen it is less than half the size and not as bright. Advantage R7 but not a reason to reject the Max II.
Menu and settings. I expected easier access and selection, intuitive menu. R7 is easier and goes back and forward. Pro M is more simple with more features.
Escort Live app. Meh. mostly I would use it as an easier way to adjust settings, which it is. Live doesn't jump my ticker for some reason.
The Bad.
After 5 hours of driving back and forth past my most common door opener signals, using every setting and option, Live and not Live, the one feature that refuses to work is AutoLearn.
This detector will not autolockout a K band door opener after 7 to 8 passes in both directions (16 passes total)
Multiple places, same result.
This is why I will be showing it to my dad in the morning, Merry Christmas, and return to Escort for a refund.
There is no way no how I will accept this detector without autolockouts for the intended user. It falses to a lot of things and needs this function.
Falsing: The highly touted Escort filtering in my brief experience is malarkey, shenanigans and out right BS as far I have experienced. Let me explain...
Falses to every door opener in existance that every other detector does. As many as a R7 @ 40%. More than a Pro M does for sure. Just it exhibits a later alert and lower signal level, but still alerts. (see why AutoLearn is a big deal?)
Falses to many many more BSMs than the R3, R7 and Pro M regardless of vehicle type. It gets them coming at me, me behind them, and crossing a street in front of me while I'm at a light. It falses terribly to many many vehicles, strongly. It is maybe 30% better than my 9500ix for BSM. In other words, poor, really poor. No setting changes do anything except for the next items, which is not much of a positive.
Auto mode: Definetly quieter detector on automode, at least below 50 kph. Go by a door opener below 50 kph on auto mode and not a peep, beep or tweet out of it. (remember I can't get it to lock out)
Speed up and next pass at 60 kph I get fulll bars alert, as strong or stronger than the several passes on highway mode. So 50 kph and below K band is almost disabled, no visual or audible alert. 60 kph it's full tilt mode on door opener. Uhg. Give me Pro M auto City or the R7 programming instead of this thing.
Cruise Alert: I though it wasn't working but it is. But I don't care for the 2 beep alert that is the K band alert. R7 & R3 does this better by allowing user to select not only the speed but tone, and it is only one beep. Trust me after all the videos of me going by door openers today it gets on the nerves hearing K band alerts start over and over every few hundred meters.

When I manually lock out the false signal it works perfect, until you pay attention to it as you drive away. It locked out areas that must be 2 kms in radius. Yes radius 2 kms.
The Max II will show every K source as locked out and not alert for a minimum 2 kms from where I set it.
It even blocks my Bushnell 2 kms away from lockout location.
Drive down the highway 3 kms from lockout point and the Busnell and door openers alert the Max II again.
Not cool.

Some unedited videos, short clips of me unboxing and driving past Home Depot.
I have at least 50 video clips of driving past signals and trying diferent ways to get AutoLearning working.
Even if AutoLearning was learning I wouldn't have this detector for my personal or wife.
I changed my mind and I think my dad would be better in an R3.
The BSM falsing even if every other funtion was up to snuff is inexcusable. I feel duped by any recommendations that said this detector was quiet.
When I can verify side by side ( I had the R7 with me too) that the R3 & R7 are quieter, then why have it.
Pro M or R3 for dad as soon as the return comes through.
Sorry for any hurt feelings, just saying it the way it was.
Detector is defective, and overated on BSM filtering.


As others have said, auto lockouts requires days to decide something should be locked out. So I bet it is working.

On the BSM front, is it doing any better since you updated the fw? Only the latest fw has IVT.

On the lockout radius, I don't know what it normally is, so don't know if that's normal or not. Seems a bit excessive.

I wouldn't give up on it yet. GIve it to your dad and let him see how he likes it. He may like it even if you don't. :)
 

poolmon

Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
Oct 26, 2013
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,231
On lockouts as I best recall, it may also require you drive a certain distance (say 1 mile) from the location before its counter logs the location as a second hit. If you are just driving away until the alert stops and you turn around and come back, it is not enough to log a second hit. The specifics of AutoLearn are kept under wraps for competitive reasons.
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
In my experience the AutoLearn requires multiple days of time separation between detections before it will consider the passes of a location as a new encounter. I believe this is to prevent it from learning a potential K Band of an officer who likes to camp out at one spot all day long. Think of a cop who could hide near a school zone crossing.
Thanks, that's logical.
I will test that this week, today marks day two as I go and deliver this Max II as a present during brunch.
Post automatically merged:

As others have said, auto lockouts requires days to decide something should be locked out. So I bet it is working.

On the BSM front, is it doing any better since you updated the fw? Only the latest fw has IVT.

On the lockout radius, I don't know what it normally is, so don't know if that's normal or not. Seems a bit excessive.

I wouldn't give up on it yet. GIve it to your dad and let him see how he likes it. He may like it even if you don't. :)
I'm going to retry the BSM filtering this week as well. 70% of the time was on what came loaded. Unknown what version but wasn't the latest.
Our Northern Canadian city is a Honda Pilot nesting ground, among others. Cars are endangered species.
 
Last edited:

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Merry Christmas to all!

I will retry everything and ask for modify the OP to update on what I find.
The potential is there that I had a Christmas Eve meltdown trying to understand fuzzy logic on an out of date firmware version.
There has been no other source of information that has provided insight to this other than this forum and you incredible contributors.
Again the best to you all this season!
 

poolmon

Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
Oct 26, 2013
Messages
774
Reaction score
1,231
Also keep in mind that if you go by a previous false that was either counted toward the 3-pass Auto lockout but not yet locked out, or it was locked out, if the signal is not present the next time you go by, it will start to count backwards (so to speak) to begin to UnLearn that location. The actual passes to Unlearn are not known, but are assumed (correctly or incorrectly) to be about 3 for AutoLearned lockouts and somewhat more for Manual lockouts. If you shut off AutoLearn after acquiring a lot of lockouts it does not shut off AutoUnlearn. Again, the exact specifics of AutoLearn/AutoUnlearn are unknown and may even be adjusted over time by Escort.
 

Heywood

Learning Something New, Still Dying Stupid
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 12, 2016
Messages
4,548
Reaction score
8,832
Location
Alberta Canada
Merry Christmas DCFluid.

It does sound odd and I’d follow what others had said about the auto lockouts.

I’d make sure you download the new Detector Tool Pro and update it. The newest DTP has been changed to include the older Max detectors. I found that out by accident when I wasn’t able to update my original Max without a script error.

It definitely doesn’t sound right or normal as my 1st edition Max still works normally.

Make sure that the autolearn is turned on by checking the settings on the detector and not just with Escort Live. Maybe try it without Escort Live running in the background as well. I’ve found it a bit buggy.

Remember my video of the photo radar camera location not changing in distance?

That what I would do and give it a couple of days of use first before returning it.
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Merry Christmas DCFluid.

It does sound odd and I’d follow what others had said about the auto lockouts.

I’d make sure you download the new Detector Tool Pro and update it. The newest DTP has been changed to include the older Max detectors. I found that out by accident when I wasn’t able to update my original Max without a script error.

It definitely doesn’t sound right or normal as my 1st edition Max still works normally.

Make sure that the autolearn is turned on by checking the settings on the detector and not just with Escort Live. Maybe try it without Escort Live running in the background as well. I’ve found it a bit buggy.

Remember my video of the photo radar camera location not changing in distance?

That what I would do and give it a couple of days of use first before returning it.
Thanks,
I have experienced and done all of your above advice and am getting up today with a new outlook on CM life.
At least until the first BSM. ;)
 

sdrawkcaB

Defender of Light 📶
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
5,256
Reaction score
10,375
Location
Here
When I get a new detector, I go to all the usual routes and shopping areas my wife and I frequent, and manually lock out "groups" of door openers at a time for maximum efficiency.
I like your way of making accompanying your wife shopping into a tolerable experience. :D
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
Dad liked the gift!
The features and function of the Max II is exactly the right fit for what he wants.
1) Auto mode will be his default, maybe I can convince him to use highway on the open road but realistically it probably won't make a difference on the highway.
2) AutoLearn must function. Manually locking out is a no go.
These two features were the make or break items that the detector must have.

1) Auto Mode works, and will suit him well. For my personal use I prefer user adjustable parameters like Pro M or R7. One setting doesn't suit everyone. This is where Escort fails in communicating with customers. They should enable some user interaction in the settings to customize Auto Mode. Time to move on from the "We know best and it's a secret" mindset.
2) I may be revising the above first post in another couple days with a big egg on face apology. AutoLearn has started to save locked out locations today at a few of my test spots. They above posts about AutoLearn may take driving by on different dates seems to hold merit. The first AutoLearn successes started today.

Driving on highway mode for maximum sensitivity ans BSM hunting I got 0 BSMs today. Mind you that is only 40 minutes in extremely low traffic conditions. No Hondas or suspect SUVs in sight today.
Max II did okay picking up my speed sign test on highway, about as good a Pro M AutoCity K 30 (70% of HWY mode) or equal to city K of the R7. Extremely terrain limited test.
Voice anouncements for band during alert are not clear like the R7. Sounds like a mouth of cotton or marbles. For dad with hearing aids it probably will mean asking mom everytime "what did it say?" Frequency display will be off for turnover as it is small and of no interest to dad.
It's a much better forecast for keeping the Max II than yesterday.
I should have know better than performing a panic test and review the evening of Christmas Eve.
Dad let me keep the detector and run it until I am satisfied all is well, and set it up for his use.
He wants plug in and drive function.

In a few days I will be updating the OP with edits to correct any conclusions I have made wrong by jumping the gun.
Post automatically merged:

One more note for today.
Bushnell Velocity 24.125 triggers the Max II each and every time, fraction of a second after the R7 alerts.
Yes I tried them both at once for a few minutes and rebooted after.
However, when hooked up to Escort Live app the Max II is dead to the Bushnell.
At 100 kph on highway there is no response of any kind visual or audio.
As soon as app is off back to full reception.
That is not cool and not any sort of logic.
All settings indicate it should alert but doesn't.
Only while connected to app.
Good thing this detector is not going to be running an app. Dad uses a flip phone with physical number pad. Because it is rugged and best speaker phone to use with hearing aids. (and smart phone is moms' domain):D
 
Last edited:

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
I have disabled X band altogether. He will never see a legit X.
 

radarking64

Learning to Drive
General User
Joined
Oct 31, 2018
Messages
40
Reaction score
72
I have never been a fan of Escort Live (or iRadar now that I use the Cobra DP360)....but I'm glad your dad now has a RD that he can operate & depend on! Being a smart consumer (and good advice from RD Forum members 👍) shows patiently doing homework can save money & bring satisfaction!
 

Heywood

Learning Something New, Still Dying Stupid
Advanced User
Lifetime Premium Member
Joined
May 12, 2016
Messages
4,548
Reaction score
8,832
Location
Alberta Canada
Not alerting to the Bushnell when only connected to Escort Live is really kind of stupid.

I knew Escort Live was buggy, but to have that sort of an affect on the Radar detector is kind of bizarre.

Did you get a chance to look at the K band settings on the app and the detector separately?

I think there should be 4 different k band toggles, but the app should mirror the detector.... not turn some bands off when connected and have them all go back on when the apps not active.
 

DC Fluid

Planning ahead, always behind.
Intermediate User
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
1,522
Reaction score
3,014
Location
Prince George, B.C. Canada
The Max II is dumbed down compared to a 360.
I can't find anything for K other than on/off. No narrow/wide.
Same for Ka. Nothing but on/off.
Both app and detector are set up the same so the only change is whatever Live brings to the show.
Nothing in app settings indicate anything that would change detector performance.
Post automatically merged:

Screenshot_20191225-195407.png
 
Last edited:

Discord Server

Latest threads

Forum statistics

Threads
83,708
Messages
1,272,040
Members
21,135
Latest member
rct101
Top