Not to be Rude, but Why Ever Use Escort?

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Like the title states, I don't want to come across super confrontational, I just don't get this. Since I've been in to countermeasures, I've heard terrible things about Escort device bugs, and customer service. Due to this, I've just avoided buying one. I don't want to support a company that treats customers badly, through direct customer service, or indirectly by ignoring bugs and firmware needs. Even if you don't care about customer service, the products seem to have some fatal issues. Many of the detectors lock up, and a lot of the laser systems aren't that impressive. Is this wrong?
Escort has been around for a long time and I assume most of their customers aren't enthusiasts, but rather normal drivers who got attracted to the great marketing, and out of the box filtering that Escort offers.
But, obviously many enthusiasts run them

So, why Escort?
Do you just like the ease of use? Is the product still great despite the issues? What is it that makes you use one?
 
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Why do people buy Uniden's, with their faulty rear antennas, faulty OLED displays, Ali-Express build quality, terrible false alerts, and telling lies to consumers about features that never appear? When is the last time their product line has received any type of firmware updates?
 

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I like auto lockouts and the mag mount.
I like the feel and heft of the detectors as well.
I like the screen.
I like the arrows on the 360... not so much on the 360C
It’s a pretty quiet detector.

If I was going to give a Detector as a gift to a non enthusiast, it might be an Escort as they are pretty much hands free.

I can see this being appealing to a lot of people.
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Why do people buy Uniden's, with their faulty rear antennas, faulty OLED displays, Ali-Express build quality, terrible false alerts, and telling lies to consumers about features that never appear? When is the last time their product line has received any type of firmware updates?
Instead of ragging on Uniden, how about something’s you prefer about the Escorts?

You really don’t want to get into a pissing match about Escort and their short comings. You’ll lose quite badly. I wouldn’t bring it up.
 
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Instead of ragging on Uniden, how about something’s you prefer about the Escorts?

You really don’t want to get into a pissing match about Escort and their short comings. You’ll lose quite badly. I wouldn’t bring it up.
I'm already a loser here because I like Escort radar detectors. It feels like the only way to fit in on this forum is to put 'Uniden User' as my signature, and spend my time roasting on Escort products 24-7.
 

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I'm already a loser here because I like Escort radar detectors. It feels like the only way to fit in on this forum is to put 'Uniden User' as my signature, and spend my time roasting on Escort products 24-7.
Nah. That’s not the case. There’s lots of Escort users here.

There isn’t a perfect detector for every location and for every user. It’s about preference, and there’s lots to like about the Escorts.

If it’s a great detector for you.... well that’s all that matters is that your happy with it. Don’t feel the need to have to defend it.

All of the detectors have their warts. I can pick apart everyone of them if I want to, but all it does is cause hard feelings.

It would be pretty boring if we all liked vanilla ice cream wouldn’t it?
 
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I don’t want to support a “tech” company which prioritizes its bottom line so greatly over its product development. Also their anti-competitive behavior in the industry has forever dissuaded me from their lineup.

If I can’t trust the detector at all times, why bother running it?

Their EL feature is intriguing and they have comparable flagship products; there’s a reason users here own Escorts.

Thankfully Radenso has established such a firm foothold that I won’t have to worry about Escort being a future industry leader. It would seem my first point has come back to bite them in the ass.

This isn’t a fanboy forum, although some tend to think it is. Personal opinions and reliable test data don’t get censored to the same authoritarian extent here.

I haven’t found the “perfect” detector regardless of brand, and I doubt I will anytime soon.
 

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Why do people buy Uniden's, with their faulty rear antennas, faulty OLED displays, Ali-Express build quality, terrible false alerts, and telling lies to consumers about features that never appear? When is the last time their product line has received any type of firmware updates?
We know why, for the range.

To be fair though, many bought Unidens before knowing about the lack of firmware changes and issues in that department. That to me, is in fact enough that despite owning an r3, I don't think my next detector will be a Uniden.

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If it’s a great detector for you.... well that’s all that matters is that your happy with it. Don’t feel the need to have to defend it.
I can totally get behind that! I've been running solely the v1 for the last month and there's a billion things that make it not the best, but it's great for me currently.

Again, the point here not being to rag on Escort. But tell me why they make a great detector for you.



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Over the years, I have owned many detectors including many Escorts including the original Escort and Passport. Ownership has changed several times over the years, and it is a different company. I do think there are a lot of Escort customers who do buy their detectors based on name recognition, but as the OP stated, there are a lot of enthusiasts on the RDF that own Escort products.

I bought my Max360c in February 2019 after the R7 was announced and the V1 was still in stock. I ran a V1 for over twenty years until my last one went missing/stolen. I bought the Max360c because I missed my arrows (I had been using an R3 as my primary detector post V1), and as much as I love my R3, I just wasn’t crazy about the R7 look or design. The V1 hadn’t changed much internally (if any at all)since I last upgraded my V1 in the summer of 2015, so I decided to purchase the Max360c despite some of the “known issues” after researching here on the RDF and watching Vortex’s reviews.

What I like about the Max360c:
1) Very good BSM filtering
2) All in one display with frequency display
3) Very good arrow transition (on par with the V1 - IMO)
4) Very good radar sensitivity for my needs. Maybe not as good as the R series, but on par with the V1 which served me well for many years.
5) I like the overall design of the Max360c and external build quality.
6) I like the Escort warning tones

A lot of people haven’t had any issues with their Escort 360 series detectors, but I have with mine including the “sleeping” issue. My Max360c is on it’s way back to me from being serviced for the second time since August. My Max360c has had its glitches, but I still really like the detector a lot when it is working properly. The key phrase is “when it is properly”. Do I regret buying it? I don’t think so. It is still under warranty, and I personally have received very good customer service from Escort, and I haven’t received any speeding tickets while using it. I knew it wasn’t a perfect detector when I bought it. Do I trust it 100% like my R3? No. Will I buy the successor model to the Max360c that I am sure Escort is working on? I don’t think so. I am sort of focused on the Theia or possibly an updated V1 as my next two detector purchases. I just want to get my existing Max360c in 100% working order with no sleeping or any other issues before considering another Escort product. That would make me happy.






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If I was going to give a Detector as a gift to a non enthusiast, it might be an Escort as they are pretty much hands free.

I can see this being appealing to a lot of people.
This is one thing I don't understand. I'd be too afraid of the lockup happening with someone who's not super savvy. An enthusiast might be able to tell that kind of thing quickly enough but I wouldn't want to risk it with a relative or someone like that. It may seem as though people harp on this one issue but it's a really really big one. This is the biggest reason that I won't run an Escort currently. I need to trust the detector, and the lockups have remained unfixed for far too long.

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I'm happy with my Max 360. I haven't noticed any of the major issues with it that others have and I'm pretty confident in my detector abilities. Until the day it fails me with a real radar gun and I get a ticket I will be happy with it. I like the arrow layout and the unit doesn't seem big to me and I got mine in 2019.

Also it does ignore locked out sources sometimes that it should show, but that doesn't bother me. I don't think sleeping, but it's just not showing it. I believe that part of the GPS on the unit because soon as you turn off GPS then the non showing locked out alert instantly starts to alert. I haven't had it do this with a real source so it doesn't bother me and I continue to be happy with my 360. It's just part of owning this detector.
 
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Funny thing is, I own 5 R1's and not one of them has a single problem! I only bought one of them new, the rest came from our forum. They are all 5 pure monsters! They all alert within a few feet of each other during testing. I am running all of them in 4 different cars, 2 of them are in Jane's car in a R1/R1 ghetto arrow setup, the other 3 are in my other 3 Mustangs paired with my 3 Redline-O's for 3 more ghetto setups. I have all 5 R1's set up the same way on 1.50 with K block, TFS and K wide, with K filter on. They are all very quiet at 70% on advanced mode, so I don't get all of the b*&^%$%# about all of the falses on K band, IF it's set up right. On the few occasions it does get chatty I just hit city mode and all is good! I've tested it on city mode, and the range is still good. As far as Escort goes, My Redline-O's are still my favorite detectors of all time! That Ka alert ramp and tone will wake the dead! I'll never understand why the hell they didn't simply fix the BSM filtering on it and leave the rest alone! The only way I can still get my Redline "fix" is to run them in ghetto setups with no K band! I've never owned a 360, but I have tested them and I was not impressed. They seem to be on the same level as my V1, and it's in my closet! There's no way I can run a detector that I know has a "sleeping problem" around here with all of this I/O I face! I have a detector that sleeps and it sucks! It's my S7 RX65. I sent it back 2 or 3 times to get fixed and it still does the same damn thing with no warning! No Thanks!
 
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Why me? Features I was wanting in one package.

- AutoLockouts
- Escort Live Alerts
- Road PSL on Display
- Stealth RDD Immune (RedLine EX)
- MRCD
- Arrows (later on my 360)

That being said, many of these features fall short. AutoLockouts lockout BSM in busy traffic areas (risky). Escort Live doesn't help much because there are not enough fresh reports to get any actual "saves". Old data is worthless. Sometimes the PSL on display is wrong. MRCD increases K Band false alerts.

RDD Immunity does seem to be good on the RedLine EX. And the 360 Arrows work well. Good multi-bogie display information in Expert Mode.

I hate the alert tones (except X Band). Gets on my nerves! Especially K Band!!! No options here except that "ring three times and stop ringing" door chime (not useable).

Sleeping 360 issues is getting worse. I can't depend on my 360 anymore. Display is also fading, so are my :tired old eyes". Not a good match. And now BSM K Band breakthroughs are increasing to the point that it's not so quiet anymore. I've had it about a year, and it feels like what was good about it is gone. Range is not as good as I remember either, but my R7 probably spoiled me.

Escort built its "BRANDING" a long time ago with quality. That "quality" is long gone, as the company can't seem to fix the known issues...and lies about it. I suspect the company is full of "dead wood" that struggles to "fake it" just to survive. Sure, they know the average "dumbass consumer" will buy anything some big box store shoves in their face. We here know the truth of their fading reputation. I see no recovery in sight. But if people still buy cheap Cobra detectors...because they research nothing, and buy on impulse...they can continue to sell "hyped" features that have terrible quality. Thank God for this forum! (and the admins that host it).

Uniden is IMO far ahead. My R7 is so much better for my needs. No antenna problems. And not that noisy on BSM. Stealth worked closely passing a couple of VA Staties on my last trip to FL and back. MRCD alerted with some range. And even speed camera alerts did a wonderful job with ample time to slow down. Potential display burnout is saved in "Dark Mode", where it wakes on activity. Custom settings for a nice selection of audible and visual alerts works very well for my needs. Mute, Lockout and Display Brightness can all be quickly address on the cigar lighter power cord button, so no need to reach up and "squeeze" the housing, and accidentally marking a location while attempting to mute/lockout something. What's not to like? Maybe more MRCD range? Reliable RDD Immunity? Better BSM filtering? Since my car reads PSL signs, and displays the real PSL on my dash, I have no need for Escort Live in that vehicle. The R7, once customized to your needs, is a far superior detector over anything "Escort" or "Cedar managed".

All that being said, I'm excited to see what Radenso will finally produce with Theia. If it lives up to what they claim to be able to do, and the user interface is at least as good as the R7 (if not better with button locations), I'm in. And if they do actually get it all right, it's game over for Escort. Although, some dumbass will still buy the marketing and distribution channel hype. We here will know better. ;)

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I use Escort products because they have never failed me. Started at the x80 and now waiting for a new 360C. They have kept me ticket free for over a decade, and I have lead foot lmao. I'm not a detector enthusist like many members here, but I'm no noob either. But the reason why so many other people choose is other brands is also likely due to cost to performance ratio. Why spend 600 on a dectector when you can buy one that has better range for half that price? It like the Apple and Android debacle, or Intel and AMD. There's no perfect product for anyone, that's for sure. Cheaper doesn't always mean worse and more expensive better. But I myself am not giving up hope on Escort yet. Ill see what they have coming down the line and if im not excited about it, maybe I'll switch to another vendor.
 

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As others have said here, it really boils down to what you need. Some people want a quiet detector that they can throw on the windshield and never touch again. Escort makes a solid product for that, and probably 95% of users want that product. We are a special breed here at RDF and we ask a lot in a detector, so we are more prone to shying away from obvious shortcomings.

I enjoyed my 8500 X50 back in the day I was running it. It saved me plenty of times. However, I personally would never own another Escort. I just can't support a company who puts out such buggy products, recycles products and claims them to be state-of-the-art, has horrible Customer Service, and uses petty litigation as an income source while intentionally hindering detector technology progress. I have plenty of grievances with my Unidens, which I will be happy to voice. But Escort just feels dirty to me personally. YMMV
 

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Yeah, I've also owned and liked the older Escort products. My last was the 8500 X50 which became unusable in my area due to non-stop falsing (BSM, etc.). I dunno, I don't think I'd ever look at a contemporary Escort product given the negative tone here. Plenty of other solid, great choices out there.
 

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I'm already a loser here because I like Escort radar detectors. It feels like the only way to fit in on this forum is to put 'Uniden User' as my signature, and spend my time roasting on Escort products 24-7.
LOL. That's freakin' hilarious and I love your moxy. Part of human nature is our inability to see our own biases. It's funny how we can see them in other people, but we can't see them in ourselves. When I got stationed at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), it blew me away that they spent ~3 months training us on how to recognize our own biases and how it impacts our ability to analyze a situation. When you become a new sales manager at Johnson & Johnson, they put you through extensive interview training. They teach you that we all tend to hire and gravitate toward people like themselves.

As the old saying goes, opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one. Think for yourself and go with what works best for you, not somebody else.
 

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This is one thing I don't understand. I'd be too afraid of the lockup happening with someone who's not super savvy. An enthusiast might be able to tell that kind of thing quickly enough but I wouldn't want to risk it with a relative or someone like that. It may seem as though people harp on this one issue but it's a really really big one.

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I totally understand. I will not let my wife drive with my Max360c due to the random sleeping issue that my Max360c experiences. She gets the R3. I use my Max360c, and I travel with my pocket radar. I shouldn’t have to travel with my pocket radar, and I solely bought the pocket radar sure to its small size and because of my Max360c sleeping issues.

Originally when I bought the Max360c, I figured I would let my wife use it when she travelled (she doesn’t use a detector in the city and is definitely not an enthusiast), but she wouldn’t pay too much attention to the detector and likely not notice any “suspected” sleeping. She likes minimal false alarms and a quiet detector when no real police radar is around (as we all do).


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