Looking at buying a 360c. Are they ready for prime time or look at something else?

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sorry for the late reply im not sure when i got them but they b b oth were brand new one from overstock and the other from ebay
i always update to the latest firmware i notice they stop alerting to a speed sign and the toll speed sign a couple of time until i restarted them
This is not necessarily indicative of a lockup.
The software is trying to identify certain emitters like speed signs, door openers and BSMs to filter.
My 360c sometimes does and sometimes doesn't register a particular speed sign depending on a number of factors, including other traffic or reflective surfaces present in the immediate area. While it may filter out a speed sign here and there, and do so irregularly, it has never failed to alert to real police radar.

Turning it off and back on will cause a restart/rebalance/recalibration and that may trigger a signal on a source that was previously identified and was being intentionally filtered. I have played with this in a parking lot with door opener by toggling the RD off and on and also leaving it on but toggling between Auto and Highway. You can often see its non-linear, fuzzy logic at work.
 
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This is not necessarily indicative of a lockup.
The software is trying to identify certain emitters like speed signs, door openers and BSMs to filter.
My 360c sometimes does and sometimes doesn't register a particular speed sign depending on a number of factors, including other traffic or reflective surfaces present in the immediate area. While it may filter out a speed sign here and there, and do so irregularly, it has never failed to alert to real police radar.

Turning it off and back on will cause a restart/rebalance/recalibration and that may trigger a signal on a source that was previously identified and was being intentionally filtered. I have played with this in a parking lot with door opener by toggling the RD off and on and also leaving it on but toggling between Auto and Highway. You can often see its non-linear, fuzzy logic at work.
Please.... non-linear, inconsistent behaviour, fuzzy logic is not a sign of a great detectors FW or hardware

It’s denial.

None of the others react this way. Even the R-EX does not exhibit this erratic behaviour.

It’s untrustworthy when you can’t predict how it’s going to react and have to watch it all the time.
 
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Please.... non-linear, inconsistent behaviour, fuzzy logic is not a sign of a great detectors FW or hardware

It’s denial.

None of the others react this way. Even the R-EX does not exhibit this erratic behaviour.

It’s untrustworthy when you can’t predict how it’s going to react and have to watch it all the time.
Yes . . . the others I use don't react that way either with the K filter.
If you are an enthusiast you do have to get used to it, there is no doubt about that.

On the other hand, it is very quiet and has not failed to pick up a real K signal, including I/O.
I'm only describing the behavior I have personally experienced on two separate units as an enthusiast (who like you prefers to understand exactly what is happening at all times) but on these it does seem to get a bit fuzzy with the K filters on occasion. However, it does work (at least mine do) and I know my family (who are not enthusiasts) really enjoy not having to play around with the RD settings depending where they are driving, which I on the other hand tend to enjoy doing to further my understanding of how it all works.

Each RD has its pluses and minuses. I'd certainly like it even more if I could understand it at all times, but to date it has never failed to alert to a real threat. This is not to say that those who are reporting problems with their particular unit don't in fact have them. I may have been fortunate to get good units.
 

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After seeing the Max360c completely drop a C/O Ka band signal several times during testing when LOS with the source, I have zero confidence in the "fuzzy logic" filtering not missing a legit threat.

Given Escort's inability to address the sleeping/lockup issues after a years worth of firmware updates (and several more bugs added along the way), I also have zero confidence in the software developers Escort has hired and am pretty sure no one at Escort actually understands how the detector works.

You have to be extremely risk tolerant to run a detector that has been repeatedly shown to fail without warning, and I'm not sure how anyone can recommend one now for this reason.
 

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After seeing the Max360c completely drop a C/O Ka band signal several times during testing when LOS with the source, I have zero confidence in the "fuzzy logic" filtering not missing a legit threat.

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Yes . . . the fuzzy logic, if and when it comes into play (as it seems to do), should only be applicable to the K band filters.
Ka should be unfiltered at all times.
 

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Yes . . . the others I use don't react that way either with the K filter.
If you are an enthusiast you do have to get used to it, there is no doubt about that.

On the other hand, it is very quiet and has not failed to pick up a real K signal, including I/O.
I'm only describing the behavior I have personally experienced on two separate units as an enthusiast (who like you prefers to understand exactly what is happening at all times) but on these it does seem to get a bit fuzzy with the K filters on occasion. However, it does work (at least mine do) and I know my family (who are not enthusiasts) really enjoy not having to play around with the RD settings depending where they are driving, which I on the other hand tend to enjoy doing to further my understanding of how it all works.

Each RD has its pluses and minuses. I'd certainly like it even more if I could understand it at all times, but to date it has never failed to alert to a real threat. This is not to say that those who are reporting problems with their particular unit don't in fact have them. I may have been fortunate to get good units.
I totally get where your coming from.

If it’s never given you any concern, that’s a great thing. It shouldn’t. It’s not suppose to.

I was just thinking of this when I was driving to work this morning. In the dark, winter, during rush hour traffic. Could I just focus on driving in these conditions without worrying about my detector? Was it going to alert me to a hidden photo radar truck sitting beside the road as I’m just comfortable driving with the flow of traffic trying to get to work?
Your right as an enthusiast, with lots of choices of detectors, and testing them.... you do get a sense when something’s not right. Especially when you run the same routes a lot and can pick out where the false’s are, what causes them, and almost predict within feet of where you’ll get the alert.

When something comes along, and can’t consistently do that 97% of the time.... it raises a lot of flags.

I know you don’t test against door openers, or speed signs, but I have a set course of 7 speed signs and 4 door openers that are all CW K band. One of the first things I do when a new FW comes out is run that course. It takes me 10 minutes to do it. They’re that close to each other.

It’s more to see if the lockouts hold. How much the filtering might of changed in relation to where the alert happened before with the same settings. Is the detector picking them all up as it did before.
If there’s any discrepancies, I’ll run a couple of other detectors that haven’t changed recently just to confirm if there’s any changes to the source itself.

Not everyone has this course advantage or multiple detectors from multiple manufactures to do this, so I can say with pretty good accuracy when I see something off.

Unfortunately for me, I’m seeing this here and documented it with the 360C. Seen it in the MRCD testing. Seeing it with the community alerts. Seeing it in the “Escort Live” known threat location distances. The sleeping issues of locking on a Ka band signal and not letting go until a power cycle.

It’s bazaro land. The issues are not related to each other or consistent.

That’s what leads me to lean towards the FW side of it. Sending it in, or changing it out for a different detector isn’t going to change things too much IMHO. Even people just buying the detector new and updating the FW are seeing the almost exact same things. 360 or 360C.
 

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One of the first things I do when a new FW comes out is run that course. It takes me 10 minutes to do it. They’re that close to each other.
It’s more to see if the lockouts hold. How much the filtering might of changed in relation to where the alert happened before with the same settings. Is the detector picking them all up as it did before.
If there’s any discrepancies, I’ll run a couple of other detectors that haven’t changed recently just to confirm if there’s any changes to the source itself.
Not everyone has this course advantage or multiple detectors from multiple manufactures to do this, so I can say with pretty good accuracy when I see something off.
Agreed . . .The number one thing necessary in an RD is to be able to have confidence in it working properly all the time.

My confidence was a little shaken when with the original 360c firmware which seemed to be working fine until I built up a lockout database over a period of several months. I then experienced the "original" lockup issue (a greyed out signal on a single unidentified source). This did shake my confidence, especially since I rarely look at the display and mainly rely on the audio alerts which continued to work on the GPS side, while locked on the radar side.

Fortunately with everyone's growing feedback that original issue eventually got resolved via FW. Shortly thereafter the second "silent" lockup matter surfaced. This shook my confidence even more than the original lockup because the second could not readily be observed. I certainly did not like having to wonder all the time with the second item so I definitely know where you are coming from on that, but I guess that I lucked out and never had one although I still test for it. As a result, I'm currently holding one unit at FW 1.8 which I should not have to do to feel confident with my particular units. So while it currently works for me I definitely know where you are coming from and hope that we can all build back our confidence levels with a FW release that provides absolute certainty for everyone.
 
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Agreed . . .The number one thing necessary in an RD is to be able to have confidence in it working properly all the time.

My confidence was a little shaken when with the original 360c firmware which seemed to be working fine until I built up a lockout database over a period of several months. I then experienced the "original" lockup issue (a greyed out signal on a single unidentified source). This did shake my confidence, especially since I rarely look at the display and mainly rely on the audio alerts which continued to work on the GPS side, while locked on the radar side.

Fortunately with everyone's growing feedback that original issue eventually got resolved via FW. Shortly thereafter the second "silent" lockup matter surfaced. This shook my confidence even more than the original lockup because the second could not readily be observed. I certainly did not like having to wonder all the time with the second item so I definitely know where you are coming from on that, but I guess that I lucked out and never had one although I still test for it. As a result, I'm currently holding one unit at FW 1.8 which I should not have to do to feel confident with my particular units. So while it currently works for me I definitely know where you are coming from and hope that we can all build back our confidence levels with a FW release that provides absolute certainty for everyone.
100% agree with you.

I think they can work it out. It’ll just take a bit. With our help, pointing out where it is, hopefully they can reproduce it and fix it.

Just like bringing your car to a mechanic with a noise. If it’s not doing it then, there’s only so much they can do unless it’s doing it at the time.
 

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Only a few days in and I've about had it with this 360c. Keeps triggering on things that don't exist, does the frequency hopping thing I posted in the video, etc. It was doing it today (rear alert) so I pulled over and let the only 2 cars anywhere near me go around me. Pulled out and the alerts continued. Ridiculous.
 

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Might be best to sit out 360 purchases until more positive feedback comes in about a fix for these multiple issues.
I'm sure there is awareness in the Escort offices now of how this attracting negative attention.
Escort forum members can certainly run a computer and search so they're probably picking up on comments here and taking notes.
 

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Might be best to sit out 360 purchases until more positive feedback comes in about a fix for these multiple issues.
I'm sure there is awareness in the Escort offices now of how this attracting negative attention.
Escort forum members can certainly run a computer and search so they're probably picking up on comments here and taking notes.
If you base this on their previous behavior with other model intros, I'd have to disagree.
 

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Only a few days in and I've about had it with this 360c. Keeps triggering on things that don't exist, does the frequency hopping thing I posted in the video, etc. It was doing it today (rear alert) so I pulled over and let the only 2 cars anywhere near me go around me. Pulled out and the alerts continued. Ridiculous.
It can only be 1 of 2 things the way you described it.
It's either a bad unit and needs to be returned, or it's the IVT emissions in your vehicle (even if switched off) that are following you around. My bet would be on the latter but it certainly could be a bad unit. In any event, what you describe is certainly intolerable.
 

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Unless you're driving around at 120 mph all the time I think the range issue is irrelevant. They all give plenty of time to slow down.
I beg to differ. When you're scooching along and around a curve comes a face full of Stalker in CA, then you know you need more range than what the 360 is offering. Its not BAD, but it could be a whole lot better.
 

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I beg to differ. When you're scooching along and around a curve comes a face full of Stalker in CA, then you know you need more range than what the 360 is offering. Its not BAD, but it could be a whole lot better.
I was going to reply with something along the lines of: "if you think the range issue is irrelevant. you aren't driving in the conditions that some of our members have to deal with on a daily basis."
 

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They can be the nicest and most pleasant people in the world, but if management and corporate culture don't allow them to do anything helpful and fix the problem (or even admit there is one), then what good is it?
You have said your view, many many times in multiple OP posts. You jump in, quietly applauded by RDF admin (no warnings) who want to see someone bark at ER at every turn. Good for you. Not everyone has your view, or experience. There is no mike drop for you, except for rabid ER haters.
 

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You have said your view, many many times in multiple OP posts. You jump in, quietly applauded by RDF admin (no warnings) who want to see someone bark at ER at every turn. Good for you. Not everyone has your view, or experience. There is no mike drop for you, except for rabid ER haters.
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It can only be 1 of 2 things the way you described it.
It's either a bad unit and needs to be returned, or it's the IVT emissions in your vehicle (even if switched off) that are following you around. My bet would be on the latter but it certainly could be a bad unit. In any event, what you describe is certainly intolerable.
Well...I borrowed a friend's Max II...doesn't do it. My R7 doesn't do it, my previous XP Pro and Max didn't do it.

I don't have time to beta test Escort's 2 year old tech for them. It's going back to best buy this weekend. If you're going to price a device at the very top of the ladder, it had better perform as such. This is a fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me scenario. It won't happen again.

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This is not necessarily indicative of a lockup.
The software is trying to identify certain emitters like speed signs, door openers and BSMs to filter.
My 360c sometimes does and sometimes doesn't register a particular speed sign depending on a number of factors, including other traffic or reflective surfaces present in the immediate area. While it may filter out a speed sign here and there, and do so irregularly, it has never failed to alert to real police radar.

Turning it off and back on will cause a restart/rebalance/recalibration and that may trigger a signal on a source that was previously identified and was being intentionally filtered. I have played with this in a parking lot with door opener by toggling the RD off and on and also leaving it on but toggling between Auto and Highway. You can often see its non-linear, fuzzy logic at work.
yea but it will no alert to any other speed sign until i restart or door opener is not only one i drive thru like 4 or 5 daily and once it stop for one it doesnt alert to the rest
 

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Well...I borrowed a friend's Max II...doesn't do it. My R7 doesn't do it, my previous XP Pro and Max didn't do it.

I don't have time to beta test Escort's 2 year old tech for them. It's going back to best buy this weekend. If you're going to price a device at the very top of the ladder, it had better perform as such. This is a fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me scenario. It won't happen again.

Thanks
Sounds like you should definitely bring it back.
Just as an aside, the MAX II will not necessarily react the same as a 360c. First it would have to be running the IVT software that was ported from the 360c to the MAX and second it has no rear antenna to contend with.
Again, wish you luck with your replacement RD whichever you decide to go with.
 

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There are far too many 360 reports and videos of issues.
It should be entered into the category of "Factual" and the comments of other persons who have not had any issues should be tagged with a "Fortunate" category.
Good to hear the Max II seems to be avoiding the crisis, my order is almost here.
I will have to open the box, inspect and test it before gifting.
 

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yea but it will no alert to any other speed sign until i restart or door opener is not only one i drive thru like 4 or 5 daily and once it stop for one it doesnt alert to the rest
If you are saying you have a 360c that appears to be continually locking up on certain emitters, if you can return it that would seem to be the easiest route to go. If you cannot you might want to do a complete software rewrite using a computer and DT Pro. Under the Device Tab in DT Pro you can select "update all software" (do not just use the green software update on the main tab as it does not do a complete rewrite). Then retest it without using EL.

I don't recall what vehicle you are using and its IVT components., if any.

Hope you can get this behind you too.
 

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