TPX has no funding for Auto jammers?

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Classic prisoner's dilemma/volunteer's dilemma scenario. And kind of the reverse of the "tragedy of the commons" scenario because LIDAR guns aren't "consumed" in the process of testing jammers in the same manner that grazing actually consumes the grass on common lands. Someone needs to set up a fractional ownership model for all of the LIDAR guns, and if you don't pay, you don't get access to that gun at all.

But if the status quo is maintained, Patterson/DET both win, as not only do they get to laugh at all of the back stabbing that has infected this industry, largely due to the difficulty of acquiring guns and the way each manufacturer jealously guards their sources, but also they get to sell more guns than they otherwise would, and all of that extra profit is pumped back into more R&D at DET that hurts the jammer industry.
ALPriority isn't going to give up their competitive advantage, that would be insane on their part.
 

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ALPriority isn't going to give up their competitive advantage, that would be insane on their part.
Yep, as I said, it's the classic prisoner's dilemma. The whole industry would be better off if all manufacturers cooperated, but from the perspective of any individual manufacturer, "betraying" the others is to their individual advantage, and this is why everyone keeps stabbing everyone else in the back. Now if the other manufacturers do manage to get the guns anyway, then this advantage of betraying is largely negated, at an increased cost for all manufacturers compared to the cooperation scenario. In the prisoner's dilemma, both prisoners end up serving more time if they both defect (in an attempt to get off scot-free in case the other does not defect) than if they had both cooperated. This is exactly the same scenario with the same payoff matrix.
 

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Yep, as I said, it's the classic prisoner's dilemma. The whole industry would be better off if all manufacturers cooperated, but from the perspective of any individual manufacturer, "betraying" the others is to their individual advantage, and this is why everyone keeps stabbing everyone else in the back. Now if the other manufacturers do manage to get the guns anyway, then this advantage of betraying is largely negated, at an increased cost for all manufacturers compared to the cooperation scenario. In the prisoner's dilemma, both prisoners end up serving more time if they both defect (in an attempt to get off scot-free in case the other does not defect) than if they had both cooperated. This is exactly the same scenario with the same payoff matrix.
I just don't see it being beneficial if everyone cooperates which is why I didn't really respond to the prisoner's dilemma part earlier.

The market is way too small for so many entries. It's just makes zero sense for anyone to cooperate.
 

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$10k seems like a lot for a steak dinner lol. I better get a piece of the company for that price. :kittyshifty:
 

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ALPriority isn't going to give up their competitive advantage, that would be insane on their part.
Yup, Everyone else (Escort, TMG, TPX) are chasing ALP. While it would reduce costs across the board for all manufacturers if they were to "pool" costs for lidars ALP has the least to gain. Doing so allows the others to close the gap in performance, namely VPR lidars. With TMG, (and TPX) marketing their jammers as lower cost alternatives they'd be ones coming out on top on this proposal.

However, with that said there could be a business opportunity for a lidar rental service for someone who has access to the "latest and greatest" DE's along with the ability to get them updated regularly.
 

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Yup, Everyone else (Escort, TMG, TPX) are chasing ALP. While it would reduce costs across the board for all manufacturers if they were to "pool" costs for lidars ALP has the least to gain. Doing so allows the others to close the gap in performance, namely VPR lidars. With TMG, (and TPX) marketing their jammers as lower cost alternatives they'd be ones coming out on top on this proposal.

However, with that said there could be a business opportunity for a lidar rental service for someone who has access to the "latest and greatest" DE's along with the ability to get them updated regularly.
No sir. Serial numbers are tied to specific individuals.Dragon eye can even put specific software to a specific serial number.

An engineer friend I know in the military explained to me, you can have all ALP 'S record pulse rates they encounter, several months later, advise users they need a update when they are in fact sending that data to alp to upload that data into a generic lidar gun to test and modify the alp only if needed, via aka(another software update).
 
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But if the status quo is maintained, Patterson/DET both win, as not only do they get to laugh at all of the back stabbing that has infected this industry, largely due to the difficulty of acquiring guns and the way each manufacturer jealously guards their sources, but also they get to sell more guns than they otherwise would, and all of that extra profit is pumped back into more R&D at DET that hurts the jammer industry.
Realistically, RDF users and laser jammer companies make up a tiny fraction of Dragoneye purchases. Law enforcement agencies purchase them several dozens at a time and have much bigger budgets to blow on this type of stuff. (Funded by your speeding tickets of course). I'm willing to accept it as a necessary evil, as I never anticipate seeing the level of cooperation needed to "share guns". These are competing companies you're talking about.

A company using Kickstarter doesn't mean they are out of funds. It can be a way to market test and hedge against market uncertainty. I have learned the hard way that consumers don't buy what they tell you they will buy, so I could see them using it to test whether or not the automotive market is worth getting into without spending a million dollars on development only to find out the hard way that nobody cares.
I think it's more of a case of RDF not really being representative of buyers as a whole. For example, while I know there's widespread demand on RDF for a Theia API (I think someone at Radenso said it would happen, correct me if I'm wrong), it's something I doubt the vast majority of buyers will take advantage of or even really care about. They just want something easy to use, sounds sophisticated, and works well.
 
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