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I called on Wednesday and no joke they said they we’re waiting on ONE MORE PART and that they hoped it would only be another 4-5 WEEKS

No other info other than lady sounded kinda miserable
Never has anyone thought to video or record one of these calls to V1..:ughh:
 
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If MV came out tomorrow and posted information that said: We are having serious supply issues, we really don’t know when the parts will come in and we are stuck waiting.... everybody would probably chill out. If MV came out and said: I’m working on a brand new (or significantly updated) V1, it just isn’t ready for the road yet and I won’t release it until I can guarantee it’s impeccable Valentine quality, everybody would be cool with that (although still somewhat impatient as we saw with the premature information release on the R7).

What is hard for anyone except the most forgiving MV fans to accept is: 8 months of no product to sell or service of the ONLY item that they sell. (Everything else on their site are accessories). I can totally understand the dilemma they might find themselves in.... if they’d be honest and tell me what it is.

I’ve heard lots of people tell me how rich Mike is and that his company can sustain the losses of months of salaries with no products to sell, but at the end of the day, Valentine is a company that specialized in selling its product to the very small high end group of buyers that are infatuated with his tech acumen. The very group on this website. The group that will ultimately have to decide between MV loyalty or a new allegiance to Theia or something else.

With no retail presence like Uniden or Escort or even Cobra to spark sales on the uninitiated at the big box stores or truck stops, it would be wise for a company to insure keeping its most rabid fans happy, or at least informed. Much more popular and rich companies have gone bankrupt or closed their doors when they missed out on timing of a new product and couldn’t get the volume of sales back up to levels to sustain business. Valentine, while loved religiously on this forum, still has to sell product in substantial enough numbers to survive. Even if he only has 10 employees making 80,000 a year in salary and benefits, that’s 800,000 of just the most basic overhead to cover. Granted, that’s only approximately 1600 V1’s to cover the expense (closer to 2,000 when you adjust for actual profit-parts) but still, it’s got to be a concern.

I would’ve been willing to try a V1. I’ve been reading about it for years in the old magazine adds. I didn’tHave the money when I was younger, now I do. I had no detector, and then I bought one. I liked it but then I wanted arrows. Obviously I had to actually buy something that was in stock.

In the end, I really hope MV hits one out of the park, whenever it comes to market. The best thing that can happen is strong competition and competitive pricing. It benefits all of us to have companies fighting for our money and hearts.
More well put and eloquently placed than my own sentiments.... But very well stated.

Businesses live and die, hopefully this isn't the end for them regardless because it will be a loss- just because they have the financial backing doesn't mean a niche company can't be lost for other reasons.

Just where have you been for the last 27 years but more importantly the last 9 months???!!!

Valentine Research ISN'T other businesses and they are currently very operational!! In 2019 alone, Mike and Peg stoked checks totaling 16.5 MILLION DOLLARS (one was to Mike's Alma Mater and one to the Cincinnati Ballet & Orchestra $10M), note these were actual checks and not pledges meaning the money had to be in the Bank. Valentine Research is also not the only business Mike owns or is involved with IE the Valentines have other income sources.

And as to your "Most would have found a way to redesign to get a product in motion to sell. Taking, at this point a year is a slap in the face to your customers." please stop being obtuse because the more you type the more you prove how little you know about the real world, specifically the electronics world, and absolutely nothing about a niche market single main product business! First, slapping something together as this much time or even just 3 months that was NOT up to what VR normally puts out would ruin his business model forever IE it would just be another junk RD from Escort, Uniden, or Whistler probably only lasting a few years. I retired from BellSouth/AT&T and we once had to go without a part for 18 months, it got to the point where management was about to stoke a check for hundreds of millions to buy a factory just to take it over so we could dictate stopping all other production to manufacture our part. More specifically there are multiple custom parts in the niche market V1 which one just can't order from a catalog or off the shelf!

And lastly, this thread is about what might be coming from V1 which I would speculate is an updated V1 (NOT A V2) based on the recently approved patents meaning that the update should have better range and sensitivity due to LNAs and better BSM rejection due to a comparator circuit patent. So if you wish to speculate on Mike and his business practices how about starting your own tread about that and put this one on ignore and those of us that wish to can put your new thread on ignore.

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My comments are from perspective - clearly I struck a personal nerve on your part.

I was going to purchase a detector to two and won't be now- if they can't push out a product in almost a year with any kind of lead time and no public statement as to what's going on THAT, my friend... Is a slap in my face as a potential customer. I have no comfort that if I buy squat from them this won't happen again when I need something and they already have my money.

Before you go and rag on me for saying no public statement, please show me where on the site they say any more than coming soon. There's been nothing official from them. Just because MV has other sources of income, doesn't mean going forward after this many years that his precious brand can survive unless he delivers a real game changer (ignoring potential future offerings from others.). Speculation based upon filed patents means nothing either. But sure carry on since I'm not allowed to share my very well based opinion as an educated consumer.
 
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Many Marketing gurus would advise you that just saying "temporarily out of stock" is the best option. You are letting your customers know it will be back in stock without commiting to a time frame. It's actually a good and sound business practice.
 

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More well put and eloquently placed than my own sentiments.... But very well stated.
@Transporter I agree with Rossm. You took this a bit personal. Just bring it down a notch. Thats all. Remember we are all here for the same reason. :)
 

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More well put and eloquently placed than my own sentiments.... But very well stated.

Businesses live and die, hopefully this isn't the end for them regardless because it will be a loss- just because they have the financial backing doesn't mean a niche company can't be lost for other reasons.



My comments are from perspective - clearly I struck a personal nerve on your part.

I was going to purchase a detector to two and won't be now- if they can't push out a product in almost a year with any kind of lead time and no public statement as to what's going on THAT, my friend... Is a slap in my face as a potential customer. I have no comfort that if I buy squat from them this won't happen again when I need something and they already have my money.

Before you go and rag on me for saying no public statement, please show me where on the site they say any more than coming soon. There's been nothing official from them. Just because MV has other sources of income, doesn't mean going forward after this many years that his precious brand can survive unless he delivers a real game changer (ignoring potential future offerings from others.). Speculation based upon filed patents means nothing either. But sure carry on since I'm not allowed to share my very well based opinion as an educated consumer.

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Not a personal nerve in sight, just you making false statements but more importantly terrible assumptions! Valentine Research is nowhere near going out of business. True they currently don't have their main product, but other then selling new units and during full replacement upgrades, it is business as usual.

Now on to this false point of "Well I was going to buy two new units", WHY? All logic points to an updated V1 coming out when units are back in stock. So let us say you were able to buy two units in June 2019 and in March 2020 the updated V1s are available (just a made up date for this example), you would be the first one screaming bloody murder that you now have to pay almost full price again to use the upgrade program! So what I am saying is you should be very very happy that the V1 was and is out of stock so that if you were going to buy two, they would a current updated unit instead of having to additionally pay for an upgrade to be current!

In other words, you should be glad they were out of stock!
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Not a personal nerve in sight, just you making false statements but more importantly terrible assumptions! Valentine Research is nowhere near going out of business. True they currently don't have their main product, but other then selling new units and during full replacement upgrades, it is business as usual.

Now on to this false point of "Well I was going to buy two new units", WHY? All logic points to an updated V1 coming out when units are back in stock. So let us say you were able to buy two units in June 2019 and in March 2020 the updated V1s are available (just a made up date for this example), you would be the first one screaming bloody murder that you now have to pay almost full price again to use the upgrade program! So what I am saying is you should be very very happy that the V1 was and is out of stock so that if you were going to buy two, they would a current updated unit instead of having to additionally pay for an upgrade to be current!

In other words, you should be glad they were out of stock!
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I think we will have to agree to disagree.

A duty of a business is to make money by delivering products to its customers. By the logic of being glad they were out and have been/will likely be for a year by the time they have anything - is like being glad your cell phone provider had no phones for you because the next newest thing was coming out. I wanted something right away. Ended up with adding R7s due to performance to extra vehicles. I wanted a new V1 because everyone had been chanting try one or shut up- when I had the money there have been no new to be found. Yeah I should be thrilled with that.

Sure they may be in business indefinitely if MV doesn't worry about turning a profit, but again, they've lost me as a customer for my shared reasons.

I find it laughable that there are hundreds upon hundreds of posts defending them being out of stock and wild speculation about what might be coming without any more than patents filed.

Id any other RD manufacturer were out of stock that long of all detectors regardless of why, they'd be going the way of the dodo as far as customer confidence and sentiment goes.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. None of my statements are false, so you can let go of that one.

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I'd hazard a guess that there are MANY MORE V1 users outside of RDF than who are members of RDF, and even fewer who take the silence personally. Guess what, most running the latest V1 (I upgraded almost 4 years ago IIRC), have little reason to contact V1 or concern that is has not been in stock for months.... Only if I wanted to buy a new one, or FINALLY decide to upgrade an existing one would one find out that they are out of stock!

V1 hasn't dissed me, they don't owe me an explanation. I purchased their products, and until they don't meet my needs, I am a happy driver! I am thankful that the V1 is a rock solid product, and that since I purchased it, I have not had any issues with it, and expect more of the same!

I wonder if we will start seeing similar threads and discontent about the Cheetah C550, which is now out of production while they try to find new hardware! https://www.rdforum.org/index.php?threads/95523/
 

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I'd hazard a guess that there are MANY MORE V1 users outside of RDF than who are members of RDF, and even fewer who take the silence personally. Guess what, most running the latest V1 (I upgraded almost 4 years ago IIRC), have little reason to contact V1 or concern that is has not been in stock for months.... Only if I wanted to buy a new one, or FINALLY decide to upgrade an existing one would one find out that they are out of stock!

V1 hasn't dissed me, they don't owe me an explanation. I purchased their products, and until they don't meet my needs, I am a happy driver! I am thankful that the V1 is a rock solid product, and that since I purchased it, I have not had any issues with it, and expect more of the same!

I wonder if we will start seeing similar threads and discontent about the Cheetah C550, which is now out of production while they try to find new hardware! https://www.rdforum.org/index.php?threads/95523/
"........I upgraded almost 4 years ago IIRC), have little reason to contact V1 or concern that is has not been in stock for months.... Only if I wanted to buy a new one, or FINALLY decide to upgrade....."

How many that read this wished this 9 month lapse in production would have happened 4 years ago?:cheerleader:
 

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Why does it matter?
If indeed VR begins production again early this year then everything goes back to normal just as it did for previous periods where VR was out of stock.

I would wish that they never be out of stock; but if it has to happen, it will unfortunately happen when some people will be affected and others won't.
It's better that they are out of stock after a large run of the current models have been sold.

We can sympathize with those that didn't get their current models in time for various reasons; but those current models had been available for 4+ years.

There's a point where some people should stop blaming VR for running out VS accepting that their procrastination played a part in the situation they are mad at.

It's a device... made by a company that is arguably a bit eccentric. There's no need for a portion of people to get all worked up over it.
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Never has anyone thought to video or record one of these calls to V1..:ughh:
Calls have been recorded. You just haven't heard them.
 
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"........I upgraded almost 4 years ago IIRC), have little reason to contact V1 or concern that is has not been in stock for months.... Only if I wanted to buy a new one, or FINALLY decide to upgrade....."

How many that read this wished this 9 month lapse in production would have happened 4 years ago?:cheerleader:
Hmm and to think that many here used to look forward to your informed posts? :facepalm:

I wouldnt be whining or feel entitled that MV owes me anything... nothing is forever. Get over it and dont take it personally. MV isnt doing this just to piss you off (well msybe to you though ;))
 

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I would make it show “low stock” and have it error out when someone tried to checked out just for kicks. That would gain them 3 months and 25 new threads on speculation.
 

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It’s the poor ladies (lady, people, plural, singular...etc) on the front lines that have endured a punishing artillery bombardment of who knows how many calls and questions over the last approx. +/- 9 months and have assumed the responsibility of taking the full brunt of this barrage, while MV has remained mostly hidden from view and inaccessible in his bunker- perhaps looking over maps strategizing his next move- maybe. We hope.
 

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I called on Wednesday and no joke they said they we’re waiting on ONE MORE PART and that they hoped it would only be another 4-5 WEEKS

No other info other than lady sounded kinda miserable
I still don't understand why anyone would bother calling them at this point and think VR is going to pump out information via low-level Customer Service Reps. They clearly don't.

We have some members publishing what they said as if that's how VR disseminates information. When has VR ever done that? Has any single phone call produced any kind of credible information in this thread over 9 months?

If not, then how credible is any member who continues to take this approach?

Jon is an insider in this industry and even he admits VR plays their cards so close to the vest that he knows very little about them.

Yet we have members posting here suggesting that their calls to Customer Service are going to give us the inside scoop? Sure, if you enjoy pure entertainment.
 

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I think each morning the first thing the phone "Lady" does is grab a coffee and then head over to these threads for her daily laughs.
I'm hopeful that the wait will be over soon.
 
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There's no need for a portion of people to get all worked up over it.
There are members on both sides of this that should heed this advice.
 

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Being this long without a primary product is enough to sink any business. I'm shocked they are operational. You can't tell me they are surviving solely on accessories.

Most would have found a way to redesign to get a product in motion to sell. Taking, at this point a year is a slap in the face to your customers.

I would argue VR only having 1 main product to sell (a damn great product when released and 20 years after) and him being the sole seller is the reason why VR can hold out so long and longer

The V1 and accessories R&D have been paid back a long time ago. Every item he sells is pure cash for him now Add in he gets 100% of the $399 and the only discounted V1 from VR is a return unit.



If sourcing parts is next to impossible.
Mike could have closed his doors 9 months ago or anytime between then and now

Clearly mike has made more than enough money to be content. But give the man some serious credit for leaving no stone unturned to continue to make and sell the V1 for the public. Because he surely doesn’t need the money nor the headaches and frustration of ppl calling for the last 9 months looking for updates.
 

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I am sure this “temporarily out of stock” issue will be resolved at some point in the future. My dictionary app defines temporary or temporarily as:

lasting, existing, serving, or effective for a time only; not permanent.

So as long as the V1 is back in stock at any point in the future, VR’s website has been accurate regarding the V1. It will be up to us all individually (once it is back in stock) to decide if we want to buy one, buy something else, or just stick with what we have. I personally have a lot of respect for what Mike Valentine has done for radar detectors and the radar industry.

Do I wish MV was active on the RDF, and updating us regularly on this issue...sure, but he isn’t on the RDF (as far as I know) , and that is ok and his choice. It is what it is. There are a wide range of opinions on this “temporarily out of stock” issue.

My opinion is until it is back in stock, I am just going to wait because I really don’t have a choice.


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I believe the most possible scenario is the one described from another member: they had problems with a certain part or parts and in the meanwhile the patents came, the news for the new Radenso spread, so, instead of manufacturing the old design with the new parts, they prefered to move to the next platform with a minor or major update (that's yet to see).
 

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I believe the most possible scenario is the one described from another member: they had problems with a certain part or parts and in the meanwhile the patents came, the news for the new Radenso spread, so, instead of manufacturing the old design with the new parts, they prefered to move to the next platform with a minor or major update (that's yet to see).

I don’t think mike really cares about what radenso is doing. Theia will be priced out the V1 territory and until cheaper units come out but also less features. I don’t mike cares how much of pie he has. Clearly he can sell no V1s for 9+ months and still hum along

Radenso wants their share of pie detector market and will pump out a game changer

Mike already did that 20+ years ago. Even though I wanted the V1 to be more modern and have features built in that the competition has.

Mike has nothing to prove.

I bet if mike didn’t come out with arrows. Escort would have. But not

I think escort would patent the arrows idea based off of dedicated installed detectors in cars. They would patent the idea but would never make a windshield detector with it so if ppl wanted arrows. Forces them to pony up more mike.

What the V1 lacked in standard features at launch. The out of the box thinking features that mike packed in the V1 easily made up for that

But that was then and this is now.
 
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