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Now if that turns out to happen to be true, this is really now the "V1 Update" thread. My bigger question is told by whom? When I hear a recording of Mike's voice or @DrHow says its being released and X price, than I'll believe it.

Having said that, my gut tells me an updated V1 would probably retail for $495 (cost increase due to it is not 2001 anymore and FPGAs aren't cheap) which might mean an upgrade trade-in could be around $339 - $349?

I personally think we will still need a Dongle until Escort's Patent expires.

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I would “like” your thread above, as a thank you compliment. But that would be misinterpreted as me falsely confirming your thoughts on the pricing. So, thanking yiu this way.
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hehe no kidding. I just called again and they said they are vetting the new parts they received (yay!) to make sure they work as designed so yeah, the parts have arrived. There's still a bunch of work to do with the software side, testing equipment, etc., but at least the parts have arrived.

They said that the new detector will have changes. It won't be the same as the 3.8945 I have now. She did say specifically better range on one of the bands, but wasn't sure which band, plus she specified new circuit boards. I asked about a new display and she wasn't sure. She didn't know a ton of specific details on the changes.

GPS won't be part of it, she did confirm that. Integrated BT is a possibility, but they don't know for sure yet. BSM filtering and laser false filtering improvements are one of the goals, but they didn't have any specifics on how much they've improved.

No ETA on its release yet, but they said as soon as they have more information, they'll definitely let everyone know.
There is more. All good. All will find out at some point soon.
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😍🥰😍

Thanks for the post, I don't have social so I would have missed this!
If I was a betting person, someone recently vouched for @Vortex. :) Imagine What he might know if they had confirmation ID it was him who spoke with her (and someone else). Maybe he did, maybe not. If he did, more betting he could (or does) know more than the post above (and not able to say).
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@cihkal: I thinks it could be a combination of the two: parts shortage and patent approvals.

Going from memory, a couple of patents got approved mid-March 2019, VR stopped selling in April. Then a lot of churn about part shortages (which was common for a lot of small electronics manufacturers). More patents approved at end of year. Last one (BSMs) should be assigned a number mid-Feb 2020. At this point, I’d be tempted to wait for the last approval.
And, some might suggest that conventional wisdom that China parts on a boat is not the reason for parts. When sourcing any material or electronics as much has possible from domestic sources, is hard work.
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I think/hope Mike V is going for the big bang approach. Holding off until the last patent is approved (number assigned in 41 days, grant mailed in 61 days, fingers crossed). He's not a spring chicken anymore.

My gut is tracking with @Transporter. $499 for a new detector, $359 for an upgraded detector. The dongle will still be with us (it's still mentioned in the '170 patent: "Another one of the accessories 104 can provide a BLUETOOTH interface...". There might also be an accessory to enable the image processing/analysis part of the '170 patent.

The addition of the LNAs and circuit modifications took place in the '441 patent that was approved at the end of December 2019. Since that's a major revision, the time to implement it is now, and not drag it out longer.
Spring chicken comment aside... He is healthy as a ox IMO, and can wait without worries not being a spring chicken anymore. As could be paraphrased as said ‘the seventies is the new late 40s-mid 50s. 90s are the new 60s’. Life is good. Not all can suggest this for themselves, but others can. Yes, admitted when the good Lord says so, it happens earlier than health would suggest.
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I don’t normally don’t do that, but this time I did and told them lots of people have been asking me and I was curious to learn more and what they’d like me to share with people.
And you should/could know more than is prudent to discuss beyond what you did in this post. You were vouched. 2020 will be a fun year. As noted before, IMO more potential transformational changes in one year, than in decades.

Now if ER would get their FPGA use act together (and better RF), could be a three way tech battle in 2020. With different strokes for different folks to compare.
 
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Good info here. Like some others have said, this probably started out as a parts shortage then snowballed into a bigger delay and then at some point, it was decided to just wait for the patents. I can’t imagine it was the initial plan last March/ April ? to wait this long.

but if they do come out with something new and improved, all will probably be forgiven and forgotten- by many but not some. The fiasco of 2019 will fade away into a distant memory. A price point of $499 and a feeding buying frenzy, some losses over the last year might be recovered. I also predict the new unit (if it’s new and improved) will fly off the shelves, leaving those who dillied and dallied on a long waiting list line with “out of stock” again being the message of the day.
 

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Good info here. Like some others have said, this probably started out as a parts shortage then snowballed into a bigger delay and then at some point, it was decided to just wait for the patents. I can’t imagine it was the initial plan last March/ April ? to wait this long.

but if they do come out with something new and improved, all will probably be forgiven and forgotten- by many but not some. The fiasco of 2019 will fade away into a distant memory. A price point of $499 and a feeding buying frenzy, some losses over the last year might be recovered. I also predict the new unit (if it’s new and improved) will fly off the shelves, leaving those who dillied and dallied on a long waiting list line with “out of stock” again being the message of the day.
Inflation and all is a real deal and while his prices have held pretty nicely for a long time I don't say I would blame him either. But a huge price jump would make someone think twice.

All this recent buzz is definitely exciting! Does seem like things are lining up.
 

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Good info here. Like some others have said, this probably started out as a parts shortage then snowballed into a bigger delay and then at some point, it was decided to just wait for the patents. I can’t imagine it was the initial plan last March/ April ? to wait this long.

but if they do come out with something new and improved, all will probably be forgiven and forgotten- by many but not some. The fiasco of 2019 will fade away into a distant memory. A price point of $499 and a feeding buying frenzy, some losses over the last year might be recovered. I also predict the new unit (if it’s new and improved) will fly off the shelves, leaving those who dillied and dallied on a long waiting list line with “out of stock” again being the message of the day.
It won't "fly off the shelves" of any brick and mortar stores, though. Because Mike V. only sells by mail from his business in Cincinnati. I think that makes sense. One point of sale and one price for everyone. No guessing, "Should I wait and see if they go on sale at Best Buy next month?" Admittedly, I've never had to return any new detector or accessories to them.
 

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Good info here. Like some others have said, this probably started out as a parts shortage then snowballed into a bigger delay and then at some point, it was decided to just wait for the patents. I can’t imagine it was the initial plan last March/ April ? to wait this long.

but if they do come out with something new and improved, all will probably be forgiven and forgotten- by many but not some. The fiasco of 2019 will fade away into a distant memory. A price point of $499 and a feeding buying frenzy, some losses over the last year might be recovered. I also predict the new unit (if it’s new and improved) will fly off the shelves, leaving those who dillied and dallied on a long waiting list line with “out of stock” again being the message of the day.

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Personally for me, none of this makes any sense without a breakdown in parts access/availability due to a custom parts supplier going away. The reason I think that is simple, because I can't think of another single thing that would remotely make any sense. Example, let's not do another run of the current model so we have stock to sell because we are planning to come out with an improved V1 in 2020 after the patents get approved and testing is complete, WRONG! That makes no sense because why give up $500,000 a month in sales when they could just run off another 15,000 to 20,000 current V1s to hold them over until an updated V1 is ready to release bringing in another Six Million in Sales in the meantime?! If memory serves me, somebody very knowledgeable and in the business estimated VR probably moves 1000 units a month on average (new sales & upgrades) when units of the current model are in stock.

So for me, I just can't see any other chain of events for what has transpired without it having been triggered by the absolute lack of availability of a custom built part/component/assembly with no other availability in the market other then finding/prototyping/testing/approving a new custom vender, read time consuming.

Could it have been something else, sure, anything is possible but I just can't think of what else it could have been that remotely fits into the last 9 months. Of course all this is speculation (maybe MV's advertisers will interview him for their magazine so we can find out) and I doubt VR will ever post what happened during these last 9 months.

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If a new V1 comes out in the next 2-3 months, does of any of this really matter? As long as Mike V and his company are good with it, so be it.

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Personally for me, none of this makes any sense without a breakdown in parts access/availability due to a custom parts supplier going away. The reason I think that is simple, because I can't think of another single thing that would remotely make any sense. Example, let's not do another run of the current model so we have stock to sell because we are planning to come out with an improved V1 in 2020 after the patents get approved and testing is complete, WRONG! That makes no sense because why give up $500,000 a month in sales when they could just run off another 15,000 to 20,000 current V1s to hold them over until an updated V1 is ready to release bringing in another Six Million in Sales in the meantime?! If memory serves me, somebody very knowledgeable and in the business estimated VR probably moves 1000 units a month on average (new sales & upgrades) when units of the current model are in stock.

So for me, I just can't see any other chain of events for what has transpired without it having been triggered by the absolute lack of availability of a custom built part/component/assembly with no other availability in the market other then finding/prototyping/testing/approving a new custom vender, read time consuming.

Could it have been something else, sure, anything is possible but I just can't think of what else it could have been that remotely fits into the last 9 months. Of course all this is speculation (maybe MV's advertisers will interview him for their magazine so we can find out) and I doubt VR will ever post what happened during these last 9 months.

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If a new V1 comes out in the next 2-3 months, does of any of this really matter? As long as Mike V and his company are good with it, so be it.

Well, yes of course. Mike and Valentine Research are fine now and will be into the future IE there are no money issues. Yes cash flow is down/poor but VR is fine.

All we are saying is that inquiring minds would like to know what transpired and until a new updated V1 comes out or the current V1 happens to be back in stock, speculation is King is it not?
 

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Wow, some new information, but seems like I havent missed anything in the past few weeks of staying out of these threads.... Looking forward to NEW threads once there is actual news directly from V1!
 

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I'm waiting to see if they have some mode to detect FM modulated radar without BSM filter rejecting it. It would be very useful against MRCD/CT and Gatso cameras.
+1, That's one area where there's room for improvement, being able to detect FM modulated radar/low powered K without having to disable TMF2 which isn't practical for most people.
 

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Unless it was for confidentiality, vortex should have recorded that phone call
 

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hehe no kidding. I just called again and they said they are vetting the new parts they received (yay!) to make sure they work as designed so yeah, the parts have arrived. There's still a bunch of work to do with the software side, testing equipment, etc., but at least the parts have arrived.

They said that the new detector will have changes. It won't be the same as the 3.8945 I have now. She did say specifically better range on one of the bands, but wasn't sure which band, plus she specified new circuit boards. I asked about a new display and she wasn't sure. She didn't know a ton of specific details on the changes.

GPS won't be part of it, she did confirm that. Integrated BT is a possibility, but they don't know for sure yet. BSM filtering and laser false filtering improvements are one of the goals, but they didn't have any specifics on how much they've improved.

No ETA on its release yet, but they said as soon as they have more information, they'll definitely let everyone know.
it sounds like Theia might be arriving to market before the updated V1
 

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I've always thought it was a multitude of issues, parts, competition, and waiting on patents. I always thought that concern set in at VR with the introduction of the R1 and R3. When the R7 got released and we saw the performance numbers, the V1 was left in the dust.

The parts shortage just forced the issue to improve the V1 back up to at least par with the top detectors in range. John Boys app has been a life saver to the V1 with out it many of us would have switched to other brands by now.

With the patents approved and the implied improved performance as reported by Vortex via his conversation with Valentine Research, I'm looking forward to seeing HOW much VR has improved the V1.
 

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The parts shortage just forced the issue to improve the V1 back up to at least par with the top detectors in range. John Boys app has been a life saver to the V1 with out it many of us would have switched to other brands by now.
Yeah, without JBV1 I would have been all over the R7. But as everything stands right now, I have a really hot V1 with range that still awes me on occasion, and I love all of the additional functionality that JBV1 brings. So I wouldn't trade it for anything else currently on the market. But I'm going to have a hard time justifying the new V1 (assuming there are improvements) with what is planned for 2020 elsewhere.
 

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Just sent an email asking about the "Temporary out of stock"...............Temporary since August 2019.................:argh:

As someone who bought multiple units, accessories this is really getting on my nerves. V1 need to be transparent with people.
 

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Just sent an email asking about the "Temporary out of stock"...............Temporary since August 2019.................:argh:

As someone who bought multiple units, accessories this is really getting on my nerves. V1 need to be transparent with people.
For the sake of accuracy, since April 2, 2019.
 

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Wow. The angst and gnashing of teeth over this first world problem continues. I thought it would have died down by now.
 

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Wow. The angst and gnashing of teeth over this first world problem continues. I thought it would have died down by now.
I’m guessing it will die down when
A). A new V1 comes out.
B). A slightly improved V1 comes out.
C). The company starts telling people via actual post on company website what is REALLY going on, and if or when something is coming out.
Until then, why would guesses and rumors die out? Literally nothing has changed for months and the company has done nothing to encourage anything but rumors.
 
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