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BTW, I know this thread was about the Cybertruck and I am STILL not a fan a month later and NO, it has NOT grown on me.I also have many friends who put $100 down on one , but even they expect to never buy one. I don't get it.
 

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BTW, I know this thread was about the Cybertruck and I am STILL not a fan a month later and NO, it has NOT grown on me.I also have many friends who put $100 down on one , but even they expect to never buy one. I don't get it.
Yep, still the ugliest thing I’ve seen on 4 wheels.
 

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I know this is an old debate, BUT being an BEV owner (DMP Model 3 ) and a Raven S, I just got back from an invited factory tour in Fremont CA. The factory is huge and was the old GM/Toyota Nummi factory when they were making Corollas and Geos there. Because of NDA, can't say much other than Elon has a LOT of square footage there and is making good use of it.

As to the importance of the Tesla SC Network, I can tell you that this (and his software) is where Tesla is far ahead of the other current BEV manufacturers. Sure you've got Chargepoint et al, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the facilities and capability that Elon has. He thought BIG and produced. We actually ate dinner down the street from the factory (about 2 miles) at a Lazy Dog and even there they had about 20 dedicated Tesla charging spaces that had just been installed in Nov 2019. About 300 feet away at a Maccie D's parking lot, there were another 20 or so SC spots. Why is it that BIG Oil is putting their $$ into chargers too?? The future is coming.

I honestly believe it will be progressive or evolutionary rather than revolutionary. It won't happen overnight or even in 13 years, but it's going to happen. Let's face it, the current crop of ICE cars are good, some are even great (Lexus for example) . I for one am not totally ready to give up my ICE cars (diesel with a range of almost 800 miles) and still have some range anxiety even though I've got 310 and 345 respectively However, for daily driving of about 0-200 a day, you really can't beat the convenience of a BEV where you get up, pull the Tesla wall charger out of the car and preheat the battery and just go. The wife was apprehensive, but now she loves the convenience of just getting into a warm car and going to Target or wherever the day leads her. I must admit that I am seeing more and more BEV on the road, whether its a Tesla, Bolt or Kia/Hyundai. Its coming. Slowly but surely.

Edit: Not a big Fan of FSD or EAP , I think its still gimmicky and the S has it, the Model 3, NO. Quite frankly, don't and probably won't use it. I am a driver and like to drive.

Here's the Tesla Wall Connector on a 75 amp breaker; I get 45-50 miles an hour per charge. The Model 3 charges just a tad quicker than the S, but it also has a smaller battery too. If you charge late at night or early (AM) in morning when demand is low and with "Demand Pricing", the rates can be as low as 1 cent per KWh or as high as 7 cents per kWh but no more than that.
The Wall Connector works better if you mount it Vertically ;)

I never preheat cabin or precondition battery, complete efficiency kill, especially on Model 3 with instant heat. I always have Range mode on that disables heating the battery too.

I have no plans to buy a cybertruck, but it is growing on me.

Is your S a Performance? I really wanted an S, but in order to justify trading in the Model 3 for a real Tesla ;) I needed it to tow.
The X is pretty cool though. I thought X was ugly when I first saw an X. I think the S is one of the sharpest cars.

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The Wall Connector works better if you mount it Vertically ;)

I never preheat cabin or precondition battery, complete efficiency kill, especially on Model 3 with instant heat. I always have Range mode on that disables heating the battery too.

I have no plans to buy a cybertruck, but it is growing on me.

Is your S a Performance? I really wanted an S, but in order to justify trading in the Model 3 for a real Tesla ;) I needed it to tow.
The X is pretty cool though. I thought X was ugly when I first saw an X. I think the S is one of the sharpest cars.

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Just turn your head to the left and it'll be vertical.......:)

My cars are parked inside and I preheat for about 5 minutes when its below freezing, which it was much of November.

Yes, I got the DM Raven and was going to hold out on a Plaid next summer, but its easy to get in and out of Teslas right now because demand on the Northshore here is very strong. My wife wanted an X , but I felt like the interior build quality was not up to par. I've had better interiors in my Sienna Limited.

Bump @mswlogo , did you see the release last night for $2000 for the non-performance DM LR vehicles. Takes it from 4.4 to 3.9 0-60 according to Tesla release notes. I didn't get the offer on mine, but Elon has stated that the P3D will be getting launch control and quicker 0-60 , somewhere around 2.5?? Several guys on the forums have downloaded it already but there's been no objective testing (yet).

BTW, that Piano Black S is gorgeous BUT a complete and utter disaster to maintain and keep clean and swirl mark free!!! The factory tour lady says that one of his favorite colors is black and when he saw a piano (his kids play) thats the color he wanted the S and the X.
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Yep, still the ugliest thing I’ve seen on 4 wheels.
Yeah man, I am still not feeling it over a month later. Its just "too weird" for me. Its going to be a hard sell to pickup traditionalists.
 

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Just turn your head to the left and it'll be vertical.......:)

My cars are parked inside and I preheat for about 5 minutes when its below freezing, which it was much of November.

Yes, I got the DM Raven and was going to hold out on a Plaid next summer, but its easy to get in and out of Teslas right now because demand on the Northshore here is very strong. My wife wanted an X , but I felt like the interior build quality was not up to par. I've had better interiors in my Sienna Limited.

Bump @mswlogo , did you see the release last night for $2000 for the non-performance DM LR vehicles. Takes it from 4.4 to 3.9 0-60 according to Tesla release notes. I didn't get the offer on mine, but Elon has stated that the P3D will be getting launch control and quicker 0-60 , somewhere around 2.5?? Several guys on the forums have downloaded it already but there's been no objective testing (yet).

BTW, that Piano Black S is gorgeous BUT a complete and utter disaster to maintain and keep clean and swirl mark free!!! The factory tour lady says that one of his favorite colors is black and when he saw a piano (his kids play) thats the color he wanted the S and the X.
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Yeah man, I am still not feeling it over a month later. Its just "too weird" for me. Its going to be a hard sell to pickup traditionalists.
If they had come out with something like the renderings people were doing, I would have been all over it. A truck is something I think I wouldn’t have a lot of range anxiety over due to the way I use it.

Really, I think they have made a big mistake by having something so polarizing. Dudes are dropping $70-90k on trucks. It’s a huge market and Tesla needs to think like Apple with their ecosystem. You bring in a new customer from that market and they love the truck. The next purchase is probably Model S/X/3 for the wife.
 

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Just turn your head to the left and it'll be vertical.......:)

My cars are parked inside and I preheat for about 5 minutes when its below freezing, which it was much of November.

Yes, I got the DM Raven and was going to hold out on a Plaid next summer, but its easy to get in and out of Teslas right now because demand on the Northshore here is very strong. My wife wanted an X , but I felt like the interior build quality was not up to par. I've had better interiors in my Sienna Limited.

Bump @mswlogo , did you see the release last night for $2000 for the non-performance DM LR vehicles. Takes it from 4.4 to 3.9 0-60 according to Tesla release notes. I didn't get the offer on mine, but Elon has stated that the P3D will be getting launch control and quicker 0-60 , somewhere around 2.5?? Several guys on the forums have downloaded it already but there's been no objective testing (yet).

BTW, that Piano Black S is gorgeous BUT a complete and utter disaster to maintain and keep clean and swirl mark free!!! The factory tour lady says that one of his favorite colors is black and when he saw a piano (his kids play) thats the color he wanted the S and the X.
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Yeah man, I am still not feeling it over a month later. Its just "too weird" for me. Its going to be a hard sell to pickup traditionalists.
Interior Build Quality/Materials look exactly the same between Model S/X to my eyes. It’s a bit of the luck of the draw what you end up with on any Tesla. But I think X has a few more things that could easily break. Namely Falcon Wing Doors and self presenting Motorized doors etc. (which I have off). There must be 100 motors in this thing. Even the head rests are motorized.

I don’t think Non Performance Model S/X will be getting the acceleration boost option. If they did I probably would get it.

It’s insane how much flexibility Tesla has to generate income via software. And now you can buy options on your phone via Apple Pay.

FSD $7000 - Click, Ding, done.
Acceleration Boost $2000 - Click, Ding, done

If they had the Extended Warranty option on the phone, I probably would have clicked it by now. But you can only buy at service center now. It used to be available on your account on the web site.

I agree on the black and why I got more boring midnight silver. I see you did too.
 
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Interior Build Quality/Materials look exactly the same between Model S/X to my eyes. It’s a bit of the luck of the draw what you end up with on any Tesla. But I think X has a few more things that could easily break. Namely Falcon Wing Doors and self presenting Motorized doors etc. (which I have off). There must be 100 motors in this thing. Even the head rests are motorized.

I don’t think Non Performance Model S/X will be getting the acceleration boost option. If they did I probably would get it.

It’s insane how much flexibility Tesla has to generate income via software. And now you can buy options on your phone via Apple Pay.

FSD $7000 - Click, Ding, done.
Acceleration Boost $2000 - Click, Ding, done

If they had the Extended Warranty option on the phone, I probably would have clicked it by now. But you can only buy at service center now. It used to be available on your account on the web site.

I agree on the black and why I got more boring midnight silver. I see you did too.

Wait, you can perform a software update and gain speed? Quicker 0-60? Admittedly I don't know much about Teslas or any BEV but that's kind of mind blowing to me.
 

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Interior Build Quality/Materials look exactly the same between Model S/X to my eyes. It’s a bit of the luck of the draw what you end up with on any Tesla. But I think X has a few more things that could easily break. Namely Falcon Wing Doors and self presenting Motorized doors etc. (which I have off). There must be 100 motors in this thing. Even the head rests are motorized.

I don’t think Non Performance Model S/X will be getting the acceleration boost option. If they did I probably would get it.

It’s insane how much flexibility Tesla has to generate income via software. And now you can buy options on your phone via Apple Pay.

FSD $7000 - Click, Ding, done.
Acceleration Boost $2000 - Click, Ding, done

If they had the Extended Warranty option on the phone, I probably would have clicked it by now. But you can only buy at service center now. It used to be available on your account on the web site.

I agree on the black and why I got more boring midnight silver. I see you did too.
Charing people for s/w, im sure someone can justify it logically, but this is insane. i guess video game companies do it with DLC’s so why not
 

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Interior Build Quality/Materials look exactly the same between Model S/X to my eyes. It’s a bit of the luck of the draw what you end up with on any Tesla. But I think X has a few more things that could easily break. Namely Falcon Wing Doors and self presenting Motorized doors etc. (which I have off). There must be 100 motors in this thing. Even the head rests are motorized.

I don’t think Non Performance Model S/X will be getting the acceleration boost option. If they did I probably would get it.

It’s insane how much flexibility Tesla has to generate income via software. And now you can buy options on your phone via Apple Pay.

FSD $7000 - Click, Ding, done.
Acceleration Boost $2000 - Click, Ding, done

If they had the Extended Warranty option on the phone, I probably would have clicked it by now. But you can only buy at service center now. It used to be available on your account on the web site.

I agree on the black and why I got more boring midnight silver. I see you did too.
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The beauty of the Tesla is twofold: 1. Very little , if any, maintenance. ONLY thing that concerns me is tires and washer fluid!! Brakes, with regen, are probably good for 100,000 miles. 2. Tesla's Supercharger network , despite its current limitations, is still the envy of the business. When, not if, these become more plentiful on the highways and byways of the US, Elon and others are going to have to address long lines for charging at popular areas like Sonoma or Napa for example. It's not as simple as 2 minutes at a pump and you're gone. Even if he gets charging down to 20 minutes or so, there will still be issues of long lines, ala the gas crisis, to get fueled up with electrons.

Silver, I have found, is perhaps the most maintenance free of the major colors offered. That and white always look relatively clean, even when they are dirty.
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Charing people for s/w, im sure someone can justify it logically, but this is insane. i guess video game companies do it with DLC’s so why not
What would it cost you n time and materials to add .5 seconds to 0-60 time to a traditional ICE vehicle?? Even with a Mustang or Vette and some bolt-ons, its still $2000 (or more) to get those kind of times and this one is done while you sleep or watch TV. Its very simple and simplistic.
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Wait, you can perform a software update and gain speed? Quicker 0-60? Admittedly I don't know much about Teslas or any BEV but that's kind of mind blowing to me.
Yes, for the dual motor non performance vehicles like @mswlogo has, a simple software update chops .5 seconds off your 0-60 time. Its already been downloaded and tested. Its been alleged that Tesla is going to do the same for the Dual Motor Performance 3 as well and give it Ludicrous Mode and Launch Control . Details not yet worked out, but supposition has it that the Model 3 Dual Motor Performance with different inverters than the standard Model 3 DM will eke out a 2.5 or so 0-60 MPH. That's almost as quick as the Luducrous Model S, quicker than the Dual Motor X and quicker than a host of cars costing north of $200,000.
 
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Same in the field upgrades over time will happen with the Cybertruck. Need to pull a heavier backhoe, dozer, or batch of lawn care gear? Only a download away to get more air suspension power, or pulling power. As Tesla gathers more real-time data on their vehicles, can can expand the capability. These updates in the field show, they overbuilt the drivetrain, which after billion(s) miles of data can open it up for their customers.
 

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Obviously something went wrong on the cybertruck demo but I thought some of you would get a kick out of this video.

I especially like the begging that mocks the cybertruck presentation.

 

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Same in the field upgrades over time will happen with the Cybertruck. Need to pull a heavier backhoe, dozer
Well, no. A whole lot more goes into towing (or hauling) heavier than some software tweaks. You can mod the heck out of a Nissan Frontier’s power train to make massive power if you wanted and could afford it, but it still will not be any more capable of safely towing a backhoe or dozer than it was from the factory. There are physical limitations to the strain on the ring, pinion, and side gears, axle shafts, brakes, the entire frame or unibody structure, and the ability to hold a load straight. I’ve been rear ended by a Nissan Frontier towing a boat from the lake that was simply too much for it, as the driver found out when he couldn’t stop and slammed into the back of my friend’s F350’s Ranch Hand full replacement back bumper. If using in-wheel motors, equivalent component strength issues remain.

These are not things that are solvable with a software tweak or upgrading air bags. Even the air bag companies themselves (and OEM options) note in bold font that their function is to level the vehicle under load, combatting squat, that they do not increase the load capacity or tow rating of the vehicle whatsoever. Those ratings are not just made up out of thin air. There are numerous reasons a SRW Super Duty can be ordered to safely pull a much larger load than even a maxed out F150, and a dually to safely pull more than a SRW. And even as the tow ratings of smaller pickups creep up, it doesn’t mean it’s anywhere near as comfortable and smooth to use them at max capacity, as they’re pushing the envelope rather than being in the nice fat comfort zone of larger pickups designed specifically for the task.

Yes, I imagine new software configurations will be released that will allow it to do cool tricks like improve range or increase acceleration times, maybe a pet mode like the Model 3, or whatever else. But to be clear, software alone will not significantly increase the ability of any vehicle from any manufacturer that is limited by hardware and intrinsic design.

On the other hand, Tesla has been working on big rig design, so they have some notion of what it takes to tow much larger loads. I would love to see what Tesla might come up with one day for a 3/4-ton or 1-ton type pickup. I’m sure they’d take some approach I’ve never even thought of and make it work reasonably well despite the objections of traditional truck manufacturers.
 
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This cybertruck is way more than meets the eye. Check out this analysis.

 

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Well, no. A whole lot more goes into towing (or hauling) heavier than some software tweaks. You can mod the heck out of a Nissan Frontier’s power train to make massive power if you wanted and could afford it, but it still will not be any more capable of safely towing a backhoe or dozer than it was from the factory. There are physical limitations to the strain on the ring, pinion, and side gears, axle shafts, brakes, the entire frame or unibody structure, and the ability to hold a load straight. I’ve been rear ended by a Nissan Frontier towing a boat from the lake that was simply too much for it, as the driver found out when he couldn’t stop and slammed into the back of my friend’s F350’s Ranch Hand full replacement back bumper. If using in-wheel motors, equivalent component strength issues remain.

These are not things that are solvable with a software tweak or upgrading air bags. Even the air bag companies themselves (and OEM options) note in bold font that their function is to level the vehicle under load, combatting squat, that they do not increase the load capacity or tow rating of the vehicle whatsoever. Those ratings are not just made up out of thin air. There are numerous reasons a SRW Super Duty can be ordered to safely pull a much larger load than even a maxed out F150, and a dually to safely pull more than a SRW. And even as the tow ratings of smaller pickups creep up, it doesn’t mean it’s anywhere near as comfortable and smooth to use them at max capacity, as they’re pushing the envelope rather than being in the nice fat comfort zone of larger pickups designed specifically for the task.

Yes, I imagine new software configurations will be released that will allow it to do cool tricks like improve range or increase acceleration times, maybe a pet mode like the Model 3, or whatever else. But to be clear, software alone will not significantly increase the ability of any vehicle from any manufacturer that is limited by hardware and intrinsic design.

On the other hand, Tesla has been working on big rig design, so they have some notion of what it takes to tow much larger loads. I would love to see what Tesla might come up with one day for a 3/4-ton or 1-ton type pickup. I’m sure they’d take some approach I’ve never even thought of and make it work reasonably well despite the objections of traditional truck manufacturers.
Quit trolling and mis quoting me. ”To be clear”, you do not know squat about Tesla. Cybertruck is over built, and Tesla will improve its published performance, upgrading in the field, as the miles/data pile up. Of course there is a limit what is possible with a download. The Exo skeleton concept will evolve with new models too.
 

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Quit trolling and mis quoting me.
I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.

Regardless, the point remains that the only way to significantly increase tow rating involves hardware, something no software update can fix. Unless you think Tesla will intentionally cripple the Cybertruck initially? That might be an interesting strategy, intentionally limiting your vehicles only to play hero later and remove the limitations or even hold them hostage for a fee.
 

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I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.

Regardless, the point remains that the only way to significantly increase tow rating involves hardware, something no software update can fix. Unless you think Tesla will intentionally cripple the Cybertruck initially? That might be an interesting strategy, intentionally limiting your vehicles only to play hero later and remove the limitations or even hold them hostage for a fee.
Generally it would require "hardware" but it depends on what the current load limitations are for. What if the limitations were for batteries overheating or motors overheating and Tesla came up with a better way to manage power and cooling. Look at "Track Mode" option that was a software update that made the car physically handle the track conditions better than it did without. But sometimes these specs are legal (or standard convention) formula's (federal or local) based on weight, tires, wheel base etc. and it may or may not be initially spec'd at that limit. But I wouldn't put it past Tesla to prove those formula's wrong and change them.

So in theory software could increase towing capacity. Doubtful that would happen, but it is possible. It almost surely will have OTA updates that improve towing efficiency or safety over time. It has blown my mind what Tesla has and can do through software.
 

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