The Cybertruck is here!

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Funny, since EV, ICE and steam all co-existed during that development. Electric cars lost out due to range, refueling times and the grid availability. There have been surges every couple decades to bring them back out of obscurity. Battery tech is finally to a point where EV can work out for some limited use cases.
Forgot about steam. Oh, and that Jay Leno electric car he has, had more range, torque, and safety features than the early ICE Vehicles of the day. Infrastructure development was one of the larger impact why it faded. Oil ecosystem was developed quickly, +had more diverse geographic uses back then than electricity. I love ICE vehicles. Own them, cherish them. Have owned many horses over the years too. This is not about some fixation on one thing or another. What Elon Musk has done with charging system, and vehicles is transformational. Just the way it is. And for those who turn their noses up at this as competition, do so at their peril.

Ford sold out all their first edition of the Mach e. They did not say what numbers there are. They did warn that 100% of the tax credit might expire soon for anyone else doing preorders. Tesla based tax credit is chump change now. What is left ends at the end of December.
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I think horses vs ICE is great analogy.

There is a great photo showing how fast the automobile was adopted from horse to automobile.

These two photos are 13 years apart. Now I’m not saying EV will switch nearly as fast but these photos are often referenced when looking at the closest transition in our history. And in many ways transition to EV should be easier.

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Tax credits for the rich, woohoo.
 

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Tax credits for the rich, woohoo.
Hey, I brought that up to preempt this straw man argument “anti electric trolls” bring. For me, there should be no sales tax credits of any kind. Some people try to blast the image of electrics with straw man logic using faulty tax policy.
 

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Forgot about steam. Oh, and that Jay Leno electric car he has, had more range, torque, and safety features than the early ICE Vehicles of the day. Infrastructure development was one of the larger impact why it faded. Oil ecosystem was developed quickly, +had more diverse geographic uses back then than electricity. I love ICE vehicles. Own them, cherish them. Have owned many horses over the years too. This is not about some fixation on one thing or another. What Elon Musk has done with charging system, and vehicles is transformational. Just the way it is. And for those who turn their noses up at this as competition, do so at their peril.

Ford sold out all their first edition of the Mach e. They did not say what numbers there are. They did warn that 100% of the tax credit might expire soon for anyone else doing preorders. Tesla based tax credit is chump change now. What is left ends at the end of December.
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Ford needs to do it!!

 

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I’m not sure what you mean, but I doubt it’s heavier than these high kWh battery packs.
Good point. I notice the Honda Clarity fuel cell vehicle has a curb weight of 4134 pounds. I wonder what type of tank they are using. 10,000psi is pretty impressive.

Energy content? What has more energy content than hydrogen? We’re not combusting it, regardless, we’re talking about running its electrons through a grid to join up with oxygen in the atmosphere to become H2O.
Sorry about that, I was sloppy in my terminology. I should have said energy density. Hydrogen has an energy content of roughly 120 MJ/Kg whereas gasoline is about 45 MJ/Kg. However, because of its low density, the energy density of hydrogen (liquid) is 8.5 MJ/liter while gasoline is about 32 MJ/liter. Whatever the case, it looks like the Honda Clarity has a range of 360 miles. That's better than my old Porsche.
 
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Whatever the case, it looks like the Honda Clarity has a range of 360 miles. That's better than my old Porsche.
Yeah, and about the same curb weight as a Model 3, apparently. Another option to provide locomotion.
 

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I wonder if that steep windshield angle will do anything to reduce its radar/lidar footprint... Perhaps easier to apply certain paint and/or tint countermeasures?
 

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I wonder if that steep windshield angle will do anything to reduce its radar/lidar footprint... Perhaps easier to apply certain paint and/or tint countermeasures?
Not when the front of the truck is literally a flat vertical metal sheet. This thing's radar cross section is going to be huge probably. Besides, radar/laser absorbing paint has minimal utility anyways - useless at worst and unreliable at best. Also don't see any good spots for mounting jammers, but I'm sure with enough will, people here will find a good custom mounting solution.
 

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Not when the front of the truck is literally a flat vertical metal sheet. This thing's radar cross section is going to be huge probably. Besides, radar/laser absorbing paint has minimal utility anyways - useless at worst and unreliable at best. Also don't see any good spots for mounting jammers, but I'm sure with enough will, people here will find a good custom mounting solution.
The front of every truck is a large vertical surface, and many trucks are much, much larger than that.

I'm not claiming anything stupid like it'll be invisible, but there are scenarios where larger vehicles obfuscate the initial detection of smaller vehicles at distance.
 

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The front of every truck is a large vertical surface, and many trucks are much, much larger than that.

I'm not claiming anything stupid like it'll be invisible, but there are scenarios where larger vehicles obfuscate the initial detection of smaller vehicles at distance.
It'll still be way bigger than any sedan/car in terms of RCS. I doubt anything will be obfuscating its detection. Also, with such a flat, vertical, and shiny surface, a lot of radar will be reflected back - shape matters a lot when it comes to RCS. Stealth aircraft can have the RCS the size of a small bird due to their shape. I wouldn't be surprised if it had an RCS that was bigger than most pickups.
 

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The front of every truck is a large vertical surface, and many trucks are much, much larger than that.

I'm not claiming anything stupid like it'll be invisible, but there are scenarios where larger vehicles obfuscate the initial detection of smaller vehicles at distance.
No radiator and cross members. Smoother front end when considering what is behind the typical plastic grills and front clip. So, might be better? Who knows. Guess we will find out soon enough.
 
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I have not, but have you sat in BMW X6? I have, and while I did fit on rear backseat, it was pretty uncomfortable to feel your head almost touching the roof, and was ESPECIALLY uncomfortable getting in and out of rear seat compared to X5 model. Anyone with even a tiny bit of "common sense" can see why just by looking at photos online - BMW went with "form over function" with X6. Just like Tesla did with this CyberThing. Regardless of how comfortable some random YouTuber might have felt in it, it does not change this FACT (that Tesla needlessly sacrificed utility and convenience of second row headroom). And I'll bet you $1000 that there will be complaints from tall users (the actual users, not YouTube content creators or irrational Tesla fanatics) about second row headroom when the Tesla truck will be out and customers will be comparing it to similar trucks by competing brands (unless Tesla will change the cabin shape).

And should I even mention the fact that just about any truck brand still offers various cabin sizes (from 2-door for people who don't need to drive with other people to full size 4-door cabin) and various bed lengths?


I really hope they will not do that. I want to drive vehicles with maximum utility, comfort and user-friendliness, not "cool looking appliances" with impractical "form over function" design choices. Including expensive materials like extra thick steel body or reinforced glass (if I ever need that I can add it to any existing vehicle).
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Forgot to add to previous post: it is very disappointing seeing people defend the "form over function" design and enable manufacturers to push those onto everyone. It was bad enough seeing in smartphone world when manufacturers started to switch to expensive glass instead of plastic for rear cover and started to add impractical notches and holes in front display and not giving users more choices (like a choice of using fingerprint sensor instead of facial recognition or a choice of using stereo jack instead of USB-C adaptor or Bluetooth for audio output). Hopefully auto industry will never go to such level and some companies will still offer more functional designs and materials for many years.
Here is a great video touching quite a bit about how spacious the rear seat is. Probably the best critique pro and con on the cybertruck I’ve seen.

 

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