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Hello, my name is Rohan and I am super excited to be able to interact and learn from all of you :)
 

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Welcome to RDF Rohan! What brings you to the forum? Are you currently running a radar detector?
 

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Welcome to RDF Rohan! What brings you to the forum? Are you currently running a radar detector?
I am looking for a new setup in my 2019 S3. I am planning to do a K40 360di, then 5 ALP Sensors with Tx and Bluetooth (No normal controller) to get a super discreet look for everything. Any thoughts?
 

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If you are getting ALP you may just want to go with NetRadar instead of messing around with a K40. There are also more expensive options like a Radenso RCM if you are wanting to stay with a remote mount unit. Both The NetRadar and RCM will integrate with ALP. If you want to get by cheaper, there are a lot of good windshield mount units out there but if you want the discreet look, the remotes may be what you want.
 

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Why are you considering the K40? It's really a subpar radar detector. If you want the minimalist look, you can do something similar with the Max Ci, Radenso RC M, or Net Radar DSP, all of which are much better radar detectors.

You should probably take a look at my K40 RL360di review before committing to that radar detector.
 

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I am looking for a new setup in my 2019 S3. I am planning to do a K40 360di, then 5 ALP Sensors with Tx and Bluetooth (No normal controller) to get a super discreet look for everything. Any thoughts?
Being a member here for a little over two years, I can tell you that K40 is not a brand that gets recommended because it lacks in performance compared to other custom installs and radar detectors in general. The other remote systems listed already will be the better choices over K40.

If you’d like a radar detector recommendation, it’s best to create a new thread answering the questions here providing as much detail as possible. It helps members make the best recommendation for you, your area, and driving style.

As far laser, I would make a thread here with pics of the front and rear of your vehicle which will allow members to make suggestions on head quantity and placement.
 

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Welcome aboard!

Why are you considering the K40? It's really a subpar radar detector. If you want the minimalist look, you can do something similar with the Max Ci, Radenso RC M, or Net Radar DSP, all of which are much better radar detectors.

You should probably take a look at my K40 RL360di review before committing to that radar detector.
I actually read through that a few times and while I understand the point of the subpar maximum detection, I also don't want to be alerted and stressed by false readings. The way I see it, The shortest detection ranges you ever got on the K40 (Which were in very difficult situations and perhaps not the most common to see), were at least 1000ft which is around 0.2miles. My car (And any reasonable performance car) can stop from 150MPH to 0 in less than that (don't ask me how I know) so I don't see a need for the extra range and appreciate the peace of mind of having less blind spot false readings. As well, the price differential was large as my dealer discounted it significantly to be $1,000 front+back while the Radenso RCM was $1,600 front+back, and the Escort Max CI Was $3,000. Am I missing something here? It seems to me that given the worst performance that the K40 ever had, it would've been more than enough space/time to stop to a reasonable speed therefore while I appreciate the extra range which the other detectors were able to receive, it seems redundant and not worth the extra cost.
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Being a member here for a little over two years, I can tell you that K40 is not a brand that gets recommended because it lacks in performance compared to other custom installs and radar detectors in general. The other remote systems listed already will be the better choices over K40.

If you’d like a radar detector recommendation, it’s best to create a new thread answering the questions here providing as much detail as possible. It helps members make the best recommendation for you, your area, and driving style.

As far laser, I would make a thread here with pics of the front and rear of your vehicle which will allow members to make suggestions on head quantity and placement.
Given that in Vortex's tests, the worst performance the K40 ever got was 1000ft which is approx 0.2 miles, that seems like well enough distance to stop even from top speed to a standstill. The K40 system was also deeply discounted to be $1,000 for front/rear. I can appreciate that others have better range but is it necessary? Especially at the cost of additional false readings and a hefty bill (The closest is the Radenso RCM at $1,600).
 
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I actually read through that a few times and while I understand the point of the subpar maximum detection, I also don't want to be alerted and stressed by false readings. The way I see it, The shortest detection ranges you ever got on the K40 (Which were in very difficult situations and perhaps not the most common to see), were at least 1000ft which is around 0.2miles. My car (And any reasonable performance car) can stop from 150MPH to 0 in less than that (don't ask me how I know) so I don't see a need for the extra range and appreciate the peace of mind of having less blind spot false readings. As well, the price differential was large as my dealer discounted it significantly to be $1,000 front+back while the Radenso RCM was $1,600 front+back, and the Escort Max CI Was $3,000. Am I missing something here? It seems to me that given the worst performance that the K40 ever had, it would've been more than enough space/time to stop to a reasonable speed therefore while I appreciate the extra range which the other detectors were able to receive, it seems redundant and not worth the extra cost.
That's an understandable conclusion. If the only place you ever drove was down my test course (moderate difficulty) and if the officer always used constant on, then clearly the K40 would always be sufficient. However, since things can vary wildly from one place to another and only get tougher when the officer decides to use instant on, in practice you will notice a difference between the detectors.

You do bring up a good point though regarding the price differential. That's a consideration too. I'm not sure where you're getting the $3k quote for the Max Ci. Retail on the front and rear radar only setup is $2400. Maybe your installer was also quoting you with their laser shifters? If you don't want to spring for the full Max Ci, I'd recommend at least stepping up to the RC M, especially if false alerts are a concern.

Also, what parts of the country do you drive in?
 
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One thing to keep in mind is that false alerts are not always a function of range. Obviously I am biased here since I own Radenso, so I won't comment on the RC M.

But the Escort piece objectively has less false alerts than the K40, even though it objectively has much longer range.

I enjoy seeing posts like these because it gives me new perspective how consumers looking for more information see things when they do not have time to spend 50 hours per week researching this stuff (because they are busy, successful professionals).

For the experts here, it is just an understood fact that different systems have different levels of sophistication in terms of the filtering (not tied to range). But for someone newer to the community I can absolutely understand how that might not be so clear.
 

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That's an understandable conclusion. If the only place you ever drove was down my test course (moderate difficulty) and if the officer always used constant on, then clearly the K40 would always be sufficient. However, since things can vary wildly from one place to another and only get tougher when the officer decides to use instant on, in practice you will notice a difference between the detectors.

You do bring up a good point though regarding the price differential. That's a consideration too. I'm not sure where you're getting the $3k quote for the Max Ci. Retail on the front and rear radar only setup is $2400. Maybe your installer was also quoting you with their laser shifters? If you don't want to spring for the full Max Ci, I'd recommend at least stepping up to the RC M, especially if false alerts are a concern.

Also, what parts of the country do you drive in?
I drive in Illinois (North suburbs and the city a little) and Western Indiana as well as Southern Wisconsin. I also really like the idea of having the installation be undetectable if the remote is taken away as I find the ALP Control (Standard or HiFi) to be quite crude and cheap for such an expensive system. The Radenso expands on this front and it's controller is quite nice but the installation is really a dealbreaker for me as it must be permanently installed in one location and sticks out if removed and leaving exposed hole/contact pins. What do you think about running the ALP On bluetooth only, and the K40 remote only?
 

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range is only half the battle. speed is as or more important than range. nothing worst than getting burnt from missing a qt hit. a lack of range will also lead to disaster in tough terrain.

anyone have an idea of the K40's performance with a typical qt hit?

cost wise i would recommend a ws mount over the k40. most detectors now offer options to reduce range without having to compromise speed.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that false alerts are not always a function of range. Obviously I am biased here since I own Radenso, so I won't comment on the RC M.

But the Escort piece objectively has less false alerts than the K40, even though it objectively has much longer range.

I enjoy seeing posts like these because it gives me new perspective how consumers looking for more information see things when they do not have time to spend 50 hours per week researching this stuff (because they are busy, successful professionals).

For the experts here, it is just an understood fact that different systems have different levels of sophistication in terms of the filtering (not tied to range). But for someone newer to the community I can absolutely understand how that might not be so clear.
Thanks for the information, I thought that a result of more selective alerts meant that range would be decreased but since that's not the case, maybe I'd have to rethink things. With regards to the RCM, I appreciate your respect to bias. From an installation perspective, how challenging is it? Having a permanent dock always scared me and that's part of what made the K40 remote system seem so enticing.
 
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Thanks for the information, I thought that a result of more selective alerts meant that range would be decreased but since that's not the case, maybe I'd have to rethink things. With regards to the RCM, I appreciate your respect to bias. From an installation perspective, how challenging is it? Having a permanent dock always scared me and that's part of what made the K40 remote system seem so enticing.
There is no doubt that the K40 system is an easier install than the Escort or RC M (since it does not have a display), but for both the Escort and RC M you do not have to "permanently" install the controllers or display if you do not want to. Many of our customers choose to simply mount the dock with 3m double sided tape, or have their installer fabricate a removable panel to mount it in. This is popular particularly among people that lease their cars.

Another popular option (especially in Porsches) is to mount everything in a fabricated panel in the ash tray. This allows it to be completely hidden when desired and is removable when the car is sold. This is popular for ALP, Escort, Radenso, and even K40.
 

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I drive in Illinois (North suburbs and the city a little) and Western Indiana as well as Southern Wisconsin. I also really like the idea of having the installation be undetectable if the remote is taken away as I find the ALP Control (Standard or HiFi) to be quite crude and cheap for such an expensive system. The Radenso expands on this front and it's controller is quite nice but the installation is really a dealbreaker for me as it must be permanently installed in one location and sticks out if removed and leaving exposed hole/contact pins. What do you think about running the ALP On bluetooth only, and the K40 remote only?
The Escort system integrates with Audi's for steering wheel controls and in-dash alerts if a stealth installation is your biggest concern. No idea on pricing though, I suspect it isn't cheap. Looks like $450 for the integration module.

Installers can do some pretty cool custom stuff with the Radenso RC M control pad as well if a custom install is within your budget.
 

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There is no doubt that the K40 system is an easier install than the Escort or RC M (since it does not have a display), but for both the Escort and RC M you do not have to "permanently" install the controllers or display if you do not want to. Many of our customers choose to simply mount the dock with 3m double sided tape, or have their installer fabricate a removable panel to mount it in. This is popular particularly among people that lease their cars.

Another popular option (especially in Porsches) is to mount everything in a fabricated panel in the ash tray. This allows it to be completely hidden when desired and is removable when the car is sold. This is popular for ALP, Escort, Radenso, and even K40.
Another thing is that a just plug and play and super easy to conceal from police or family members (For my younger brother's sake, it's probably better if he doesn't know that the car is equipped with protection) or from people who drive it and would get freaked out by it because the dock-remote combo always seemed hard for me to mount. One idea is to drill a hole into the headliner and mount the RCM Between in the headliner between the roof and sun visor. That way when I need it, I just put the visor down and when the visor's up, it's hidden. Any thoughts on that?
 

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Since you are looking for advice, the fact the the K-40 seems to false less is NOT because it is better at sorting them out, it is because it is a subpar Detector meaning instead of going off in time no matter how great your car stops, you are getting a ticket. K40 is now a marketing company in my opinion and I would not use any of there current products if they were given to me free as I can’t afford getting tickets!

For a clean hidden install both ALP with Radenso RC-M is a great combo as is the ALP NetRadar DSP setup. But since they actually do very well against radar and Lidar, they are an investment unlike the K40.
 

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I drive in Illinois (North suburbs and the city a little) and Western Indiana as well as Southern Wisconsin. I also really like the idea of having the installation be undetectable if the remote is taken away as I find the ALP Control (Standard or HiFi) to be quite crude and cheap for such an expensive system. The Radenso expands on this front and it's controller is quite nice but
Welcome to the RDF!

Since you are looking for advice, the fact the the K-40 seems to false less is NOT because it is better at sorting them out, it is because it is a subpar Detector meaning instead of going off in time no matter how great your car stops, you are getting a ticket. K40 is now a marketing company in my opinion and I would not use any of there current products if they were given to me free as I can’t afford getting tickets!

For a clean hidden install both ALP with Radenso RC-M is a great combo as is the ALP NetRadar DSP setup. But since they actually do very well against radar and Lidar, they are an investment unlike the K40.
As far as mounting goes, what do you think of drilling a hole into the headliner and mounting the RCM in the headliner between the roof and sun visor. That way when I need it, I just put the visor down and when the visor's up, it's hidden.
 

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Another thing is that a just plug and play and super easy to conceal from police or family members (For my younger brother's sake, it's probably better if he doesn't know that the car is equipped with protection) or from people who drive it and would get freaked out by it because the dock-remote combo always seemed hard for me to mount. One idea is to drill a hole into the headliner and mount the RCM Between in the headliner between the roof and sun visor. That way when I need it, I just put the visor down and when the visor's up, it's hidden. Any thoughts on that?
ALP + NetRadar and the bluetooth module using your phone as the controller might be your best best given your priorities around hiding the interface when not in use.
 

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