Hands-on look at Radenso's upcoming new detector and AI

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Price point Jon said it will be expensive but not overly because he wants to sell them
Hopefully price is decent so they will sell in volume and most of us can buy it
Yes he did. He also stated that it would probably the most expensive windshield detector on the market. So start at the 360C.
At least we have a ballpark to start with.
 

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Regarding Theia's price, I have a question for the group, but first let me preface it with the assumption Radenso will price it within the parameters Jon has stated - i.e. it will be more expensive that what the current crop of windshield detectors cost, but not be priced out of the market. To me that means a retail price of between $650 and $1,000 dollars...

OK, so given that assumption, and Theia truly is a paradigm shift in counter measures, doing everything just as Jon has described and being far superior in every parameter of performance and build quality - Does it really matter if it's $1,000?

I mean, as radar detector users here on a forum dedicated to the subject, I'm sure we have all purchased many different radar detector products over the years. For me I have purchased literally dozens of different detectors in the decades I have used them, so I have invested thousands of dollars looking for the "Holy Grail" to even the playing field between myself and the LEO...

So if I really will be able to finally buy a detector that will give me not just a distinct and quantifiable *advantage* over the LEO, but also completely eliminate false alerts, run dead quiet unless there is a real threat out there, be a designed and built in America device with exceptional fit and finish inside a metal case, and remove the need to go through increasingly inane set-up menus, etc., wouldn't it be worth a $1,000 bucks?

Hell, I could just sell the detectors I currently have and use the money to purchase at least a couple of Theia's! LOL!

In all seriousness, what do you folks think?


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Well, using the RDF might be a poor example as we’re really not the target market. We’re like 1% of the RD market. We may have some influence to those that research, but we don’t buy enough to keep the lights on.

There’s a difference between enthusiasts and the general public. RDF can’t support Radenso so pricing will have to be carefully considered.

We can’t use the smart phone market as a justification to what people will pay. I’ve seen that, and cringe. Most people need a phone. They can justify it. Someone that wants a RD really can’t. I’m sure most have had a discussion like that before with their significant other. 😆

Some will think that the more expensive, the better the product. It’s been working for Escort for years. It’s about perception.
 

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Regarding Theia's price, I have a question for the group, but first let me preface it with the assumption Radenso will price it within the parameters Jon has stated - i.e. it will be more expensive that what the current crop of windshield detectors cost, but not be priced out of the market. To me that means a retail price of between $650 and $1,000 dollars...

OK, so given that assumption, and Theia truly is a paradigm shift in counter measures, doing everything just as Jon has described and being far superior in every parameter of performance and build quality - Does it really matter if it's $1,000?

I mean, as radar detector users here on a forum dedicated to the subject, I'm sure we have all purchased many different radar detector products over the years. For me I have purchased literally dozens of different detectors in the decades I have used them, so I have invested thousands of dollars looking for the "Holy Grail" to even the playing field between myself and the LEO...

So if I really will be able to finally buy a detector that will give me not just a distinct and quantifiable *advantage* over the LEO, but also completely eliminate false alerts, run dead quiet unless there is a real threat out there, be a designed and built in America device with exceptional fit and finish inside a metal case, and remove the need to go through increasingly inane set-up menus, etc., wouldn't it be worth a $1,000 bucks?

Hell, I could just sell the detectors I currently have and use the money to purchase at least a couple of Theia's! LOL!

In all seriousness, what do you folks think?


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Assuming Theia lives up to expectations, sure myself and many members of this forum would likely spend $1k; however, that doesn’t mean it’ll sell well on the “shelf” next to a $650 360c and a $500 R7.
 

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Most people need a phone. They can justify it. Someone that wants a RD really can’t. I’m sure most have had a discussion like that before with their significant other.
I will not be having this discussion. Just between me and those reading, keep this all on the down low. Thanks.
 
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Apparently not the case? I had been thinking this before being corrected elsewhere.

My error, and it's too late to edit my original post. I should have just said "...designed in..." and left out the "...built in..." America part. No doubt many of the components, and perhaps the final production, will occur overseas. I will await Jon to chime in a clarify that, if he even knows the final production plans yet.

Again, my error, and my apologies.

On another note, regarding the "difference between enthusiasts and the general public" idea... I may be wrong, but I got the impression that Radenso was going to continue selling the SP, XP, Pro M, and RC-M, at least for the time being, and the new Theia was going to be their top-of-the-line - a *statement* model, if you will - and would live at the high end of their model range until the Theia and Rai tech could trickle down to lower price models. That would give them a model line-up priced $199, $249, $449, then as much (or more) as $1,000 for the new Theia, on up to the $1,849 RC-M. Hence they still would have detectors priced more for the mass market, with Theia sitting at their highest priced windshield unit. Then over time they would replace the Pro-M, the RC-M, XP, and SP with Theia-based products (in probably that order).

Personally, I see this new Theia detector not just aimed at RD "enthusiasts", but also at high-end performance vehicle buyers as well, and I'll bet it's marketed that way. And many of those folks will easily pay $1,000 for what could be the greatest performance car accessory in decades! LOL!



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Below are my slightly revised set of questions for Radenso, if they don't mind taking a crack at these. I and others would greatly appreciate it I'm sure. For those who understand that machine leaning is not equivalent to magic, that training affects the NN's performance, understanding the answers here will be critical. Most importantly, NN machine learning differs from previous detectors' approaches in that it will embed a system to discern real from non-real threats in a manner that is obscured to the designers. Previous detectors had algorithms and filters designed specifically for and tested to trigger on a subset of sources that would also include many falses. If Radenso's approach is to whitelist known emitters, this introduces a new kind of training-dependent risk we haven't seen before. With that in mind, some questions:
  1. What percentages can we expect for false positives? False negatives?
  2. How are the percentages altered when the signal is weak?
  3. How are the percentages altered when the signal environment is noisy due to many signals present, often overlapping in frequency?
  4. How are they altered when the signal environment is noisy due to signals being altered by relfection?
  5. How will you manage the training process to ensure you've trained the system to be flexible enough to handle real-world scenarios affected by #2 through #4 above.
 

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For those of you who anticipate pushback from your significant other when it comes time to give radenso your credit card number for this beauty, I have a simple and effective way to get your way with little to no pushback:
Starting today, every time they are in your vehicle be sure to disable ALL K band filtering. This will ensure that by the time Theia is available you will get their full support on the financial decision!
 

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Theia is not for everyone nor is it aimed (not pun intended) at everyone. Cobra Escorts Unidens will still sell legacy units which will be popular with many consumers based on price and brand recognition. Even many RDF members, not all will want one or can justify the price. However for the true enthusiast who can afford it, (subject to testing of course) this is what we have been waiting for...
 

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Theia is not for everyone nor is it aimed (not pun intended) at everyone. Cobra Escorts Unidens will still sell legacy units which will be popular with many consumers based on price and brand recognition.
I’ve never understood the logic of spending any money on a poor performing, frequently falsing radar detector. Too many false alerts renders the device pretty close to zero in value since it cannot be trusted, what’s the point in using it?
 

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I’ve never understood the logic of spending any money on a poor performing, frequently falsing radar detector. Too many false alerts renders the device pretty close to zero in value since it cannot be trusted, what’s the point in using it?
I think plenty of people are currently getting protection from both Unidens and Escorts. Its not like they have zero filtering.
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For those of you who anticipate pushback from your significant other when it comes time to give radenso your credit card number for this beauty, I have a simple and effective way to get your way with little to no pushback:
Starting today, every time they are in your vehicle be sure to disable ALL K band filtering. This will ensure that by the time Theia is available you will get their full support on the financial decision!
So true!
When I told my wife I wanted to get an R7 to replace my Redline because "it would beep less" she was ecstatic.
 
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I’ve never understood the logic of spending any money on a poor performing, frequently falsing radar detector. Too many false alerts renders the device pretty close to zero in value since it cannot be trusted, what’s the point in using it?
Only those buyers can answer, guessing they dont know any better...
 

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Well, in some European countries like Finland speeding fines are calculated on your taxable income. My well paid friend would probably be fined over €5K for minor speeding. So Theia would not be a big investment for him. But yes, I too hope that it will be affordable for general public.
 

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Theia is not for everyone nor is it aimed (not pun intended) at everyone. Cobra........will still sell legacy units which will be popular with many consumers based on price and brand recognition.
I saw somebody driving the other day with a Cobra on their windshield. Slight problem: there was no power cord connected to the detector and I am 1000% certain this was not an Escort Solo. You can't make this stuff up.
 

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Interesting. Considering I've bought all 3 detectors in my signature in a short time frame I'd say it's likely I'd give this one a shot based on the No BSM falses claim.
 

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