Hands-on look at Radenso's upcoming new detector and AI

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That's the benefit to using an interface on a screen instead of lights or displays on the front of a detector. There's so much more personalization that can occur when using an app or user interface. :) I could never go back to viewing a detector screen. I look forward to seeing how this can all work with Theia!
 

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Thank you, and the profound nature of how much can be gleaned from the signal intelligence will require a pretty substantial change in thought processes for the user as well. There is a whole lot of information that is available, yet much of the old way of thinking (of the enthusiast community), which was geared toward getting more information to the user, would be obsolete. As an example, folks asking for frequency. Frequency is pretty trivial when you can identify the actual make and model of radar gun.

Something that we used to think about, and folks commented on, was the "ramp up" of signal strength and how that would be presented to the user. This technology takes that sort of thing to another dimension... since individual models of radar units can be identified, the "ramp up" could be customized for different types of sources - very low power guns could get a very fast ramp up for example. Since instant-on has a distinct signature and can be identified, that can also be displayed as a warning.

So there is a lot that can be done, but in many ways it's relieving users of the need for many of the tricks that people learned to maximize effectiveness. This is truly a "game changer".
There will undoubtedly be new information to be used in new ways we have not yet imagined.

But there will also be old information to be used in new ways that we have already imagined. Frequency is one of these.
 

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Firmware updates: Realtime - when new emitters are identified and modeled? Subscription required?

Plans for Lidar detection? Engine is apparently equipped to handle it.

Networking similar to EscortLive?
 

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Seeing something on a big board isn't the same thing as talking about range which is something that Radenso has been falling behind the competition. I would be happy to put up with some false warnings if the range was better. Likewise I would be happy to pay more money if the range is better along with the other features. Range is my number one concern, everything else is secondary.
They may not have accurate range measurements because the unit is still in development. They will need a pre-production windshield mount version in order to do real-world range testing....right now Theia looks like a kinda sorta Frankenstein monster of dual horns hooked to a display and processor. Escort claimed that "With final production software, the Max is the longest range radar detector available ever, for all guns, all bands" because they tested it in a lab, not in the real world. It didn't have the longest range, by a long shot. I do have concerns about how Theia will perform on the road and if there will be bugs in the production version. Theia is not an upgraded version of a Pro-M, it is a whole different ballgame. Given its expected price point and cutting edge technology, it will take brave souls to jump in and be early adapters. Hopefully Radenso will release it to a select group of beta testers prior to releasing the production version. The first production run of the Max alerted 34.7 to blue jeans, cases split apart, lenses popped out etc etc. Radenso is better than that, way better. Perhaps in time for spring?
 

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I was thinking about this the other day. Instead of being alerted to different frequencies like "K, KA, X", we could be alerted to different types, like Instant-on, or CW guns, or modulated/MRCD. This tech blows me away and I am so excited to see what this platform can do with the open-api. :D

Edit: What I am trying to say, who cares if it K or X or KA band, if the detector can determine the legitimacity of a radar gun, I don't care what frequency it is operating at.
Again, I do not understand the fascination about the band, the frequency or, soon, the gun. IMO, that fascination represents old paradigm thinking. The band, frequency, gun, etc., are pieces of information that, when analyzed by the detector, are used to answer the fundamental question a detector must answer, "Do I alert the driver?"

Current detectors alert the driver, but they also present the frequency, direction, etc., as if to tell the driver, "We think there is a threat, but just in case, here are all these other data elements for you (the driver) to evaluate." And all this while you are supposed to be driving, usually at well above the PSL.

My perfect radar detector would plug into my vehicle's computer(s) and (1) Determine my speed (2) Compare that to the PSL and (3) Announce "Speed monitoring ahead, applying brakes'", if necessary.
 
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Old habits die hard. We all have years of experience with the traditional model which has trained us to want or need certain information. And frankly some of us are just geeks about this stuff and like knowing all the data points available. It sounds like everyone will have an opportunity to personalize their information experience from what’s been explained so far. Of course every new product has an evolution and I have confidence in these guys to be open minded. I mean look what they have created so far and how they have engaged the community. We’ll just have to all keep our pants on and wait for a production model to appear.
 
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Ok, they have to put all the components on a board / package them. Then design a wicked looking case and defend their I.P.
Against Poachers and people smart enough to patent but unable to design and market. End of next year maybe into the following year. & get it all past the fcc.


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I also want the wicked looking case. 2020 has finally arrived.
 
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Yes, it sounds like what we've all been waiting for. But none the less, the 2 biggest questions we all wanted answers too were Not answered. When will it be available for purchase (Date) and how much will it cost. So until those questions are answered I think that my enthusiasm is lessened to the point of disappointment. I'll stick with what I have and be content until another promise of what's to come is answered.
 

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Yes, it sounds like what we've all been waiting for. But none the less, the 2 biggest questions we all wanted answers too were Not answered. When will it be available for purchase (Date) and how much will it cost. So until those questions are answered I think that my enthusiasm is lessened to the point of disappointment. I'll stick with what I have and be content until another promise of what's to come is answered.
I think its pretty clear its not coming out in two weeks... :p

In all seriousness I wont expect a price to be announced until the unit gets closer to release as there is apparently more work that needs to be done. They announced a release time in 2020 but I would guess closer to the end verse the beginning.
 

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Yes, it sounds like what we've all been waiting for. But none the less, the 2 biggest questions we all wanted answers too were Not answered. When will it be available for purchase (Date) and how much will it cost. So until those questions are answered I think that my enthusiasm is lessened to the point of disappointment. I'll stick with what I have and be content until another promise of what's to come is answered.
I'm sorry but the only big question here should be. Are we going to have the radio frequency communication plataforms communicate with one another transcending man, mind and machine in real time?

At this point on this means x, k, kA w n Z's turned out obsolete radio frequencies that can, should and will be identified. Now let's level all radio frequencies either encrypted or not into out CM Arsenal.

Something "legacy" detectors would even try thinking possible
 

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I think its pretty clear its not coming out in two weeks... :p

In all seriousness I wont expect a price to be announced until the unit gets closer to release as there is apparently more work that needs to be done. They announced a release time in 2020 but I would guess closer to the end verse the beginning.
Yeah I'm honestly surprised they're saying 2020. They have alllllloooooot of guns to purchase and train their AI on. Realistically you need at least two of each to make sure there isn't much variance in the signatures. Also many of the radar guns in use aren't actually manufactured anymore. Then there are those weird Stalkers that operate on different frequencies; are their signatures actually the same as the others? Lots of different types of low powered speed cameras they need to make trips for. I've got no idea how many manufacturers exist for radar based door openers, speed signs, etc.

I'm good with 2021 if it means it is done right.
 
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Yeah I'm honestly surprised they're saying 2020. They have alllllloooooot of guns to purchase and train their AI on. Realistically you need at least two of each to make sure there isn't much variance in the signatures. Also many of the radar guns in use aren't actually manufactured anymore. Then there are those weird Stalkers that operate on different frequencies; is their signature actually the same as the others? Lots of different types of low powered speed cameras they need to make trips for. I've got no idea how many manufacturers exist for radar based door openers, speed signs, etc.

I'm good with 2021 if it means it is done right.
It will get done in 2020 I am very confident in that and I own a lot of radar guns that I already agreed to loan them to add to their learning process. The beauty of the system is that there are not that many door opener suppliers that supply the many different door opener companies and they are doing a good job gathering the BSM data they need. Just using the alert everything but ignore BSM's and Door Openers function will make a much improved experience that will continue to get better with firmware updates.
 
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It will get done in 2020 I am very confident in that and I own a lot of radar guns that I already agreed to loan them to add to their learning process. The beauty of the system is that there are not that many door opener suppliers that supply the many different door opener companies and they are doing a good job gathering the BSM data they need. Just using the alert everything but ignore BSM's and Door Openers function will make a much improved experience that will continue to get better with firmware updates.
That is the beauty of the flexibility we have built into this thing. The BSM portion of the code is done, I could drop it into production today. We have been recording BSMs for almost two years. If the user doesn't trust one of the other "fancy" features we are going to include (gun ID, etc), just turn them all off and you are still left with a revolutionary legacy style detector (longest range with zero BSM falses).
 

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This is awesome! This a mini ESM/RWR system. Some folks touched on this already. If radar guns are not running 24/7, why not profile all the emissions coming off of police vehicles - this would allow you to seem them regardless of radar and if you take all the emissions into account you can probably get a reasonable amount of certainty that a LEO is nearby. There are probably a lot of emissions coming off LEO vehicles, detecting the combination of signals would do a good enough job. This would vary by city of course so it would take time for users to feed input into a community network for training. Detecting encryption would be the most accurate. I don't think breaking the encryption is wise and would likely service serious criminal activity.

You could have multi-level alerting system first visually alerting you to the likely presence of LEO then acoustically alerting you to active radar activity and then finally engagement (threat present -> you're being painted by Radar X -> you have been shot at).

Future integration of multiple antennas at measured distances from each other could provide time of arrival and lines of bearing which could be merged with GPS metadata and uploaded to a WAZE like and fused with other known data (WAZE manually entered LEO positions other RDs?) creating a user common operating picture. One could even generate "patterns of life" exposing patrol patterns.

Depending on performance, this likely has dual-use applications.

You should get familiar with the ITAR part 120 section XI....maybe you already are but the FCC will be.


This is also my first post.. Probably crazy. I don't know that much about auto radar detection and was really just seeing what was in the realm of the possible for my car, which unfortunately will not accommodate a windshield mount due to the IR layer. Cant wait for a remote mount version to play with!!
 

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could be merged with GPS metadata and uploaded to a WAZE like and fused with other known data (WAZE manually entered LEO positions other RDs?)
I don't think Waze integration would be wise.

Waze users are no more or less then the everyday Honda BSM's that's still hunting everyone here. Keep the community tight; we all support each other by all means.
A separate user like platform that involves serious individuals like all of us that appreciate and respect the simple joy of riding our vehicles responsibly sounds more suitable to my ears.
 

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I don't think Waze integration would be wise.

Waze users are no more or less then the everyday Honda BSM's that's still hunting everyone here. Keep the community tight; we all support each other by all means.
A separate user like platform that involves serious individuals like all of us that appreciate and respect the simple joy of riding our vehicles responsibly sounds more suitable to my ears.
Maybe not Waze, but Highway Radar would be amazing since it's developed here by a community member. Create a report with gun ID and all the other info automatically.
 

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I would not be so sure. Check out Escort's recent response when Radenso and their AI was brought up to them:

Escort made some interesting statements in that post:

"It does sound like the rest of the pack is catching up to us."
"For instance, we introduced machine learning, or Artificial Intelligence/AI, in the legendary 9500ix and 9500ci detectors almost 12 years ago"
"We further refined this technology using the true DSP technology found in all of our "MAX" products which debuted in 2013"
"The accuracy of our DSP technology is still unmatched today."

So, after many posts throughout the years by members like me and other members saying that we felt decieved by Escort marketing and the Max and other Escort detectors are not using true intelligence (AI) to understand and sort out false signals and signals from true threats but using GPS and notch filters to do so (by turning a deaf ear to them) and that the Max is not the longest range on all guns and all bands, it seems like they are doubling down on all of that way of thinking. It is unfortunate.

I am not sure if Escort is willingly still using deception to put out fires and patch holes on a leaky ship or they are just being naive. Either way, it is not good.
I guess the anti-drug campaign has not reached ESCORT.
 

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