Introducing Radenso Theia powered by Rai (Video Links and FAQ on first page)

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Watch @Vortex's new video
Great info in this video!

Highlights from Rob:

  • "The AI has no concept of frequency."

  • "If a police gun fired a BSM signal, it would look like a police gun playing back a BSM signal. What we are training on are the electronics in the transmitter, not the signal itself."

  • "The frequency of the gun when it's triggered does not have to do with the successful inferencing."
 

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RAI will be used in all future detectors including remote units
That is what I was hoping to hear. As someone who was about to purchase a RC M with ALP, this thread has given me a moment to pause.

I wonder if the RAI tech will still have the same constraints for the horn placement in a remote installation. That is not behind mesh grills, metallic paint, curved surfaces, etc.
 

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Great info in this video!

Highlights from Rob:

  • "The AI has no concept of frequency."

  • "If a police gun fired a BSM signal, it would look like a police gun playing back a BSM signal. What we are training on are the electronics in the transmitter, not the signal itself."

  • "The frequency of the gun when it's triggered does not have to do with the successful inferencing."

Wow imagine that, exactly what I said from day one that Frequency was no longer the issue or starting point when one uses actual Signal Identification Detection in an RD to Alert to Police Radar.

I guess all the naysayers that were slamming me for my Blasphemy regarding Frequency haven’t seen the Video yet. Surely that could be the only reason for not a peep out of them.
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That is what I was hoping to hear. As someone who was about to purchase a RC M with ALP, this thread has given me a moment to pause.

I wonder if the RAI tech will still have the same constraints for the horn placement in a remote installation. That is not behind mesh grills, metallic paint, curved surfaces, etc.

Nothing has changed with the RF Signals Theia will be looking for so exact same install parameters as for any other radar detector remote antenna if one wants maximum performance.

Don’t know why you included curved surfaces. As long as they are RF transparent and the antenna can be mount facing parallel with the road, curves don’t matter.
 
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That is what I was hoping to hear. As someone who was about to purchase a RC M with ALP, this thread has given me a moment to pause.

I wonder if the RAI tech will still have the same constraints for the horn placement in a remote installation. That is not behind mesh grills, metallic paint, curved surfaces, etc.
You will be waiting a long time if you want a custom install detector with Rai. That will not be our next release after Theia. The RC M will remain the best custom install detector for the foreseeable future.
 

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People here really need to stop assuming things.

1. You assume we don't know what the range is - that's incorrect. You simply aren't entitled to know yet.

2. Hugel66 is no longer a Radenso employee due to time constraints with his other job (he is an investor but is not involved daily) and does not speak for the company on technical details. Why isn't our website updated you ask? Because I don't really care enough to put it high up on my priority list. He is probably just repeating what we say as a company because we enjoy a mutual level of trust with each other where we don't feel the need to Sherlock Holmes every statement we make. Why did he say we have obscene range? Because I said it, and he believes me - nothing more, nothing less.

3. Hugel66 isn't responsible for creating booth graphics
Would you please quote where I stated that you, Randy or Michael didn't know what the range is.
 

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Would you please quote where I stated that you, Randy or Michael didn't know what the range is.
We know what the current range is but Theia is still in development (seems we have to continue to say this) so we are not going to give exact details since it may change in the final product.
 

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We know what the current range is but Theia is still in development (seems we have to continue to say this) so we are not going to give exact details since it may change in the final product.
I've understood from day 1 (mo's ago when recognizing SDR was your future) all would be proprietary going forward.
I'm still waiting for Jon's reply to Post #546..... <-----

edit correction: reason- fat fingers keystroke error... hit 7 instead of a 6.
 
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We know what the current range is but Theia is still in development (seems we have to continue to say this) so we are not going to give exact details since it may change in the final product.
I think you all know that even though you guys put out more information than I have ever seen any other manufacture put out for a future product this board and its members will still speculate on details. Heck look at the V1 thread and the hundreds of posts of speculation on what Valentine will do next. You released information very early compared to its release date so its going to be a long road of speculation until the product arrives.
 

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I think you all know that even though you guys put out more information than I have ever seen any other manufacture put out for a future product this board and its members will still speculate on details. Heck look at the V1 thread and the hundreds of posts of speculation on what Valentine will do next. You released information very early compared to its release date so its going to be a long road of speculation until the product arrives.

Or put another way....this is why we can't have nice things.
 

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I've understood from day 1 (mo's ago when first on Forum to recognize SDR was your future) all would be proprietary going forward.
I'm still waiting for Jon's reply to Post #547.....
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We know what the current range is but Theia is still in development (seems we have to continue to say this) so we are not going to give exact details since it may change in the final product.
They have not published any DB data and they will not do so until the final product. This is completely understandable as they are only using prototypes at the moment.

Or put another way....this is why we can't have nice things.
As a manufacture myself I can understand the frustration the speculation and false posted information causes. Its why we take a different approach and we do not mention anything new until a new product is ready to ship. But something like what Radenso is working on is something completely new so they wanted to give extra time to educate the consumers on the new technology but its too early to give answers to answer everyone's questions so it will be months of speculation until its ready.
 
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Post 547 reads...



They have not published any DB data and they will not do so until the final product. This is completely understandable as they are only using prototypes at the moment.



As a manufacture myself I can understand the frustration the speculation and false posted information causes. Its why we take a different approach and we do not mention anything new until a new product is ready to ship. But something like what Radenso is working on is something completely new so they wanted to give extra time to educate the consumers on the new technology but its too early to give answers to answer everyone's questions so it will be months of speculation until its ready.
Tks for catching my typo mistake.
 

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If it's undetectable. Which it's supposed to be. I'm in for 2. And I don't mean R1 R3 R7 undetectable. I mean actually undetectable where the unit by unit variance isn't drastic.
 

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The phone and small screen limitation sucks IMO. And I don't want to dick around with any f***ing cell phone when I drive. :yell: However, CarPlay is another story. That works! (for me, anyway)

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I have an iphone x with apple carplay wireless and it works beautifully. Alerts or pop ups in android are very different and arguably better as they fill almost the whole screen on your phone, versus ios is just a small banner. The challenge I believe is, Apple only approves certainly apps for Carplay and I am sure Radenso has no interest in trying to get an app approved or pay the silly $ they would want. So I think as long as we can hear the alerts over our car stereos, Theia display visuals and daze running (an approved app) we should be good..
 

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I watched the later Q&A video explaining the device further. Incredible. Seriously.
It's pretty much everything everyone probably ever wanted, custom to how they want it, in a detector.
 

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It's pretty much everything everyone probably ever wanted, custom to how they want it, in a detector.
Which is why I am taking this with a grain of salt until the product launches.
 

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Wow imagine that, exactly what I said from day one that Frequency was no longer the issue or starting point when one uses actual Signal Identification Detection in an RD to Alert to Police Radar.

I guess all the naysayers that were slamming me for my Blasphemy regarding Frequency haven’t seen the Video yet. Surely that could be the only reason for not a peep out of them.
Great info in this video!

Highlights from Rob:

  • "The AI has no concept of frequency."

  • "If a police gun fired a BSM signal, it would look like a police gun playing back a BSM signal. What we are training on are the electronics in the transmitter, not the signal itself."

  • "The frequency of the gun when it's triggered does not have to do with the successful inferencing."
Not this again! Frequency does matter, just not in the traditional way of thinking. It also has other possibilities for users who may want that information for specific case uses.

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Perhaps it would be better to get away from a short absolute statement of, "Frequency doesn't matter" that was used for SEMA and go with a more accurate understanding among ourselves before this turns into another talking point for years and years.

Something like, "There are now a multitude of parameters instead of / in addition to frequency..." or "Rai looks at so much more than just frequency...", etc.
 

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Not this again! Frequency does matter, just not in the traditional way of thinking. It also has other possibilities for users who may want that information for specific case uses.

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Rob is referring to relative frequency in relation to baseband processing, not actual frequency like current detectors utilize. That is the thing most people are missing.

Theia does not care where in the spectrum the signal lays, but relative frequency +/- 0hz (oscillation, etc, used for fingerprinting) at baseband can be used as a data point.

In the traditional way of thinking, frequency does not matter.
 
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Maybe "Frequency is not used to determine the validity of a signal."
(That's probably not specific enough)
 
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