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That's a whole lot to try to accomplish in just few seconds while still trying to kill your jammers as fast as possible! Some sort of delay for your brake lights would be much better than fumbling around with the E brake, at least in my opinion. I would just drop anchor and take my chances!
 
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It'll only take you 3 seconds or less to drop from 100mph to 70mph. The officer gets his speed reading and is happy - sometimes a lock can take a bit longer for some vehicles (mud/dirt on the vehicle or whatever). And they DO regularly see brake lights come on for any number of reasons during their shots. That's a WHOLE lot better than 7-8 seconds of JFG while you fart around trying to drop your speed "moderately" without using your normal brakes, and along with the 7-8 seconds of WTF in the officer's head because he can't get a reading, especially in ideal conditions when he knows his gun should get a lock within a few seconds versus an eternity, which is against our rules BTW. You're much more likely to get pulled over from a long JFG than you are from quick harsh braking for 3 seconds. (@erickonphoenix's encounter the other day notwithstanding - he was lucky). Your fear of using jammers (poorly) in a CM banned state doesn't add up to me. I think you should use them quickly/expertly, and in accordance with the rules of killing as soon as is reasonably possible, rather than trying to justify slow kill because of said fear of using your brakes. The LEO truly won't even notice your brake lights in his reticle or if he does it's very unlikely that he will attribute it to jammer use, especially if you kill them in 3 seconds. I jammed a rear on-ramp shot once and harsh braking then kill, no pull over. The other rear ramp shot I had was IPT but I braked my arse off for that one too, and when he pulled me over not a single mention of me braking after he shot me. Most LEOs shouldn't even be aware that they're being jammed by pro-users such as your good self, because it all happens so quickly and any doubt they have can be explained by run-of-the-mill reasons they see from time to time against cars without jammers. But extend that jam time and you open the door to curious-LEO pulling you over and looking over your vehicle.
 

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Is there a way you can add a switch to your brake lights? The ideal scenario would be a 5 second delay on brake lights after pedal is applied, automatic engagement based on ambient light, and an override switch for less intense driving.

Rear night laser encounters are the absolute worst. When you get hit, you are surprised and then wonder how others are comfortable without rear protection.
I'd rather get a ticket than be rear ended and then possibly sued because I mucked with my brake lights. 3-4 second JTK, even while hard braking, will not be noticed. I think my video earlier in this thread is a good example of that.
 

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Who really cares about your brake lights coming on?

I noticed I was going a little faster than I should and slowed down immediately.

So what if it happened when you got shot? You can’t do that before he got a reading? He can’t prove it. He couldn’t even tell you how fast your going so..... bit me.

Besides, jammers are an urban myth and don’t work anyway. I like my parking sensors.
 

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Who really cares about your brake lights coming on?

I noticed I was going a little faster than I should and slowed down immediately.


So what if it happened when you got shot? You can’t do that before he got a reading? He can’t prove it. He couldn’t even tell you how fast your going so..... bit me.

Besides, jammers are an urban myth and don’t work anyway. I like my parking sensors.
Bolding is mine.

At precisely the same time when a cop pulls on the lidar gun? That looks awfully suspicious.

Anyways, I do appreciate all of the viewpoints on this thread! I'm not mucking around with a brake delay or kill switch though. That's a bit insane to try and avoid a speeding ticket as it poses a serious public safety issue.
 

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At precisely the same time when a cop pulls on the lidar gun? That looks awfully suspicious.
This was my thought too.. if he's targeted multiple multiple cars and is getting near instant readings and nobody is braking when they get hit, then he targets you and your brake lights go on the second he does, with a delayed reading, in my opinion it does look really suspicious... especially to a cop who may be aware of LJ's.
 

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Still, Jammers are such a rarity, that it probably doesn’t click. Really, outside of RDF, how many people that you know actually have a jammer set up..... or actually know they exist and work.

They’re probably shooting and thinking about what the wife is cooking for dinner.

Just keep to the golden rule and keep it under 4 seconds or less.
 

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Still, Jammers are such a rarity, that it probably doesn’t click. Really, outside of RDF, how many people that you know actually have a jammer set up..... or actually know they exist and work.

They’re probably shooting and thinking about what the wife is cooking for dinner.

Just keep to the golden rule and keep it under 4 seconds or less.
Yea I don’t think most cops will put two and two together, specially if it’s all done under 4 seconds. RaggedEdge’s video is a great demonstration of that.
 

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No, but I'll be driving in a lot of them when we go out of state including Hellginia!
I didn’t think Hellginia could confiscate your CM’s but writing you a ticket for having them is definitely on the table. Am I mistaken?


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I didn’t think Hellginia could confiscate your CM’s but writing you a ticket for having them is definitely on the table. Am I mistaken?


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I'm not sure if they take them or not. I'll ask @VariableWave tomorrow when I see him for some laser testing.
 

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I'm not sure if they take them or not. I'll ask @VariableWave tomorrow when I see him for some laser testing.
It's just a "fix it" ticket with a ~$100 fine. Technically, they can take it for evidence but it will be returned to you after the court date. Unless the cop wants to be an ass, they'll just write the serial # on the ticket and hand it back to you. That's what happened on my last RD ticket.
 

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It's just a "fix it" ticket with a ~$100 fine. Technically, they can take it for evidence but it will be returned to you after the court date. Unless the cop wants to be an ass, they'll just write the serial # on the ticket and hand it back to you. That's what happened on my last RD ticket.
Is that also the case with jammers? Especially right after getting caught with them in the act? That would suck!
 
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Is that also the case with jammers? Especially right after getting caught with them in the act? That would suck!
Yup, same penalty/code section. In the case of installed systems (jammers/remote mount RD's) they just take a picture of it. I have yet to hear of anyone having to remove their jammers, including the case of one person who was ticketed multiple times for CM's by the same LEO.

 

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Yup, same penalty/code section. In the case of installed systems (jammers/remote mount RD's) they just take a picture of it. I have yet to hear of anyone having to remove their jammers, including the case of one person who was ticketed multiple times for CM's by the same LEO.

Depends on where you are. Here in Ontario, there's something else to consider other than the fact the police cut off the jammer heads or confiscate your RD (which is NOT a big deal as that's solveable with $$).

What is a big deal is that once you're convicted of having a RD/Jammer, it shows up in your driver's record - which means if you go back on the road and buy a new system and get pulled over for whatever reason, when the cop runs your record it will show you were previously convicted for contravening the Highway Traffic Act with use of a RD/Jammer, then they'll continue looking for it on your car.

So - all this being said, I think I'm going to stick with no rears. Paying a ticket is just $, but potentially being busted playing this game and thus not being able to have any jammers going forward - I'm not ready for that life yet.

I've pondered a lot about this and I recognize this may not be in line with how others think, but if there was an installer here who can install Perspex and stuff, then i'm all in.

A friend of mine (some of you have met him IRL) is going to Boston to get his next car kitted up with Perspex for his ALP. I may just join him and add some rear heads then. Running heads 'naked' in the rear is a bit too scary for me.

If it were purely up to me and it wasn't banned in this neck of the woods, I'd have kitted up the rears a long time ago. It's this fucking Province I live in, man....Stalin would be proud.
 

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Depends on where you are. Here in Ontario, there's something else to consider other than the fact the police cut off the jammer heads or confiscate your RD (which is NOT a big deal as that's solveable with $$).

What is a big deal is that once you're convicted of having a RD/Jammer, it shows up in your driver's record - which means if you go back on the road and buy a new system and get pulled over for whatever reason, when the cop runs your record it will show you were previously convicted for contravening the Highway Traffic Act with use of a RD/Jammer, then they'll continue looking for it on your car.

So - all this being said, I think I'm going to stick with no rears. Paying a ticket is just $, but potentially being busted playing this game and thus not being able to have any jammers going forward - I'm not ready for that life yet.

I've pondered a lot about this and I recognize this may not be in line with how others think, but if there was an installer here who can install Perspex and stuff, then i'm all in.

A friend of mine (some of you have met him IRL) is going to Boston to get his next car kitted up with Perspex for his ALP. I may just join him and add some rear heads then. Running heads 'naked' in the rear is a bit too scary for me.

If it were purely up to me and it wasn't banned in this neck of the woods, I'd have kitted up the rears a long time ago. It's this fucking Province I live in, man....Stalin would be proud.
If I lived in Ontario, where the penalty is confiscation/hefty fine I wouldn't risk putting rear jammers on your car unless you can make them disappear, such as hiding them behind some Perspex. Even in VA, where the penalty is just a fine I wouldn't run rear jammers unless they were concealed. It's fine until you get stopped, worse if it's on your regular commute as you've just made yourself a target should he see you again. But yes, I'm all about stealthy installs and that's the only way to go in banned areas.
 

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