80 km/h limit

LouG

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It appears the adoption of an 80 km/h limit by stealth is proceeding. Auckland City has proposed lowering rural limits on 700 km's of roads, including imposing 50 km/h limits at intersections.
I wait with bated breath to see the nose to tail accident rates when drivers start slowing from 80 or 100 to 50 at every rural intersection.

These so called traffic engineers are stark, staring mad. We'll be the laughing stock of the world.

The cynic in me also sees this as a preparation in case local bodies assume control of camera operations. There'll be cameras at every rural intersection.
 

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I'm sorry to see things getting so wacky over there. Back when we had the 55 mph national speed limit in the US, the hardest part of a long drive was trying to stay awake. 50 mph (80 km/h) is pretty dam slow.
 

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I'm sorry to see things getting so wacky over there. Back when we had the 55 mph national speed limit in the US, the hardest part of a long drive was trying to stay awake. 50 mph (80 km/h) is pretty dam slow.
You're not wrong. I remember that back in the 80's when we last had an 80 km/h limit. (a result of the oil scare)
We countered the problem by doing double the limit wherever we could. There was no mobile radar back then. Just X band and some K starting to come in.
 

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Man, I feel so bad for you guys down under. Most of your speed limits are absurd, you basically never see 80 km/h (50 mph) on a freeway in the US.
 

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Man, I feel so bad for you guys down under. Most of your speed limits are absurd, you basically never see 80 km/h (50 mph) on a freeway in the US.
Here's something else. We have no intercity multilane highways. None.
It's all two lane, mostly narrow roads. Our motorways are all commuter links within cities.
Our Governments spend our taxes on welfare benefits and tax cuts for people who don't need them.
 

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We have been experiencing this in Selwyn district (Canterbury) where I live, most rural roads are now 80 (and there is discussion in the local rag about going down to 60 for some) and rather than spend money to improve roads, they simply lower the speed limit to make them "safer" (the road into the town I live has worn the chip seal down so much in sections that it is now glassy and a real hazard when wet or icy, so theyve stuck up a 50 sign rather than actually fix the road).

You can't argue with physics, a crash at 100km/h will cause more damage than a crash at 80 km/h and equally there is arguably less risk driving at 80 due to physics too (more reaction distance, less stopping distance) but hanging the entire road safety campaign on speed is short sighted at best. and does nothing to promote improving driver behaviour and skills.
 

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We have been experiencing this in Selwyn district (Canterbury) where I live, most rural roads are now 80 (and there is discussion in the local rag about going down to 60 for some) and rather than spend money to improve roads, they simply lower the speed limit to make them "safer" (the road into the town I live has worn the chip seal down so much in sections that it is now glassy and a real hazard when wet or icy, so theyve stuck up a 50 sign rather than actually fix the road).

You can't argue with physics, a crash at 100km/h will cause more damage than a crash at 80 km/h and equally there is arguably less risk driving at 80 due to physics too (more reaction distance, less stopping distance) but hanging the entire road safety campaign on speed is short sighted at best. and does nothing to promote improving driver behaviour and skills.
There so many variables involved that the speed related consequences arguments don't wash anymore.
Vehicles will stop quicker from 100 on a high friction road surface than on our neglected roads at 80.
You have less risk of losing control on proper roads. Motorways are safest of all at any speed.
More modern cars than our ageing fleet are safer at 100 than the older cars are at 80.
Modern cars have accident avoidance systems such as BSM's, ESC, ACC.
Driver licencing is a horrendous joke. Having private companies with vested interests issuing licences? I've seen some of these licence "testers", many don't even know the basics of driving themselves. they just tick a test sheet.
NZ's problem is that our infrastructure, driver training, enforcement all worked well, in the 1950's 60's, and 70's. It doesn't work now.
The fact is that NZTA is no longer fit for purpose. They actively avoid measures that will save save lives due to cost savings. Dropping speed limits is relatively easy and will bring in extra revenue.
The Police sold out to Government demands for revenue years ago as well, they no longer attend non injury accidents, and ignore many common offences.
If there is a significant drop in road deaths over the next 5 - 10 years I'll be amazed.
But there will be a rise in fatigue and distraction related crashes.
 

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Man, don't get me started, over here in Victoria, the nannies have been hammering my back roads down to 80km/h. Some of them, the road is straight for kilometers, in good condition and have plenty of run off should the worst happen. The cops run zero tolerance and play the road safety piper tune. All because of the 0.05%'s who never had proper education behind the wheel when they were learning.
 

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Over here it's 90%. We still don't mandate professional instruction.
 

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