Interconversion of a DFR7 US model to a DFR7 NZ

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I pondered this when I updated mine, then it occurred to me.... why would I want my old GPS lockouts, most of them are in frequences that I can now segment out, and thus are just taking up lockout memory slots for no benefit. You'll find you DFR7 much quieter anyone once you segment out the unwanted frequencies.
Yeah, that's good point. And it probably makes more sense down under. However, here in the states the US fw might be better solution for me. Most of the K-band around me are in the 24.125-24.200 range. So using K-narrow currently cuts out at 24.200 so i get to filter out BSM in the higher frequencies. And unfortunately i haven't pay attention to the frequencies of the lock out i have. I'll be more attentive of the K-falses for a few weeks and see if disabling K1 will be more beneficial than running K-narrow before i make the switch. But I will definitely keep an eye on this thread. Maybe once we can go back and forth I will test them out so I can make my real world conclusion. But thank you and @Mithheru for the input.
 

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You also have to factor in: You will also get some new falses in the extended low end range that you couldn't have detected before! Therefore its not quite a win win situation, but I think overall you will find it is probably quieter overall.

Obviously, I do recognise the importance of being able to switch back. So this is a priority for me to test. Watch this space, as I'll try to find the time to get this done within the next couple of weeks.
 

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Obviously, I do recognise the importance of being able to switch back. So this is a priority for me to test. Watch this space, as I'll try to find the time to get this done within the next couple of weeks.
You'd hope it is a simple a going back to US on and R1/R3 of just installing the US firmware, as BluLink post this on their DFR7 web page ;

BluLink said:
IMPORTANT! FIRMWARE UPDATES
Do not Install Updates from UNIDEN America
(www.uniden.com or unidensupport.com)
 

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Thank you to everyone for their replies and comments on this thread.

Thank you especially @winterbrew for testing the update and checking my instructions.

Therefore the release files and instructions for the DFR7 conversion are now attached here. Please be very careful, and ensure you follow the instructions exactly.

I have also attached the latest build gps database for the USA and Canada. This is the corresponding latest Uniden NZ format file (V1_10USAC) as listed on the thread here:


So I just bit the bullet and converted my LRD950 which I had converted to an DFR7 a year ago (on FW 1.10E) .

It went all as described, except that the included FW manager did not read the FW version off the converted detector after it had been converted to NZ.
It worked fine with the NZ-Firmware Updater. (test read only)

The NZ FW does offer band segmentation and is (hence) missing some menu entries from the US version which is possibly down to the segmentation now available

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I haven't tested the detector in real life, but self test and GPS are working.

Question:
Where would I find the US DB converted for use in the NZ detector?


Now the big question looming is if I can go back to the US FW?

Which FW Updater should I use for that? NZ or US?

Cheers :)
 

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At present, I have so far only completed the conversion in the way I have documented. It is my understanding that the DFR7 NZ adds additional lock-outs over the US firmware. With this reason in mind, I did delete all my lock-outs before conversion, and would recommend this is to be done. Also bear in mind, if you are using the K segmentation, many of the lock-outs would not be needed anyway.

My current plan is to develop the reverse process for going back to US firmware. This would then allow the conversion to be applied multiple times, and allow greater testing. With this in mind, I can set out to check gps lock-out deletions.

However, for the time being: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DEVIATE FROM THE INSTRUCTIONS!

Two of my detectors already lost their lives to bring you this information!
So I just bit the bullet and converted my LRD950 which I had converted to an DFR7 a year ago (on FW 1.10E) .

It went all as described, except that the included FW manager did not read the FW version off the converted detector after it had been converted to NZ.
It worked fine with the NZ-Firmware Updater. (test read only)

The NZ FW does offer band segmentation and is (hence) missing some menu entries from the US version which is possibly down to the segmentation now available

KA Filter
K Wide
KA Wide


I haven't tested the detector in real life, but self test and GPS are working.

Question:
Where would I find the US DB converted for use in the NZ detector?


Now the big question looming is if I can go back to the US FW?

Which FW Updater should I use for that? NZ or US?

Cheers :)
Your questions are answered elsewhere in this thread. However for your convenience:

1) @Mithheru has a US database in NZ format, contact him for that.

2) You can't yet Mithheru is working on it.

3) See answer 2
 

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Your questions are answered elsewhere in this thread. However for your convenience:

1) @Mithheru has a US database in NZ format, contact him for that.

2) You can't yet Mithheru is working on it.

3) See answer 2
Thanks for your thoughts ... but as far as I know there is no reason I should not be able to revert.
Mithheru is not 'working on it' per se.
 
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Thanks for your thoughts ... but as far as I know there is no reason I should not be able to revert.
Mithheru is not 'working on it' per se.
Please do not attempt to reinstall the US firmware. It will need especially converting into the NZ format to be accepted for installation on the NZ DFR7 firmware installer. Hence 'risky' without a recovery option.

My 'new' DFR7 arrived today. But guess what, it turned out to be a 'cobra'. Why can't amazon get their act together and send me what I order!? I do know a DFR7 when I see one. No good sending me a cobra in a Uniden box for a DFR7! @NZSenator - think you did the right thing in cancelling your DFR7 Amazon order after waiting.

However, special thanks do go to @NZSenator for sending me his old half working LRD950 to play with and testout the conversion process. I now note Uniden NZ website is still selling the LRD950 with NZ firmware, so I'm guessing both these detectors work equally with this same firmware. However, for those of you with an LRD950, please await my confirmation.

It went all as described, except that the included FW manager did not read the FW version off the converted detector after it had been converted to NZ.
This is noted in my instructions. Please whatever you do, do not reinstall the original NZ firmware over the conversion with the NZ Firmware tool. This contributed at least in part to killing one of my previous detectors. I DELIBERATELY DID NOT INCLUDE THE NZ DFR7 FIRMWARE UPLOAD TOOL with the files, please DO NOT USE IT! It simply cannot be used for this conversion (It will likely be needed to go backwards, but that will be for me to test and set out in future instructions).
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You'd hope it is a simple a going back to US on and R1/R3 of just installing the US firmware, as BluLink post this on their DFR7 web page ;
You may note that the latest Uniden upload tools do not allow you to install the US firmware onto an NZ/A R3. Therefore a conversion file likewise is needed, or else, you need to use one of the older upload tools to (re)install the US firmware on the R3.

DFR7 NZ likewise cannot just have the US firmware directly installed as the US Firmware tool is not compatible with the DFR7 NZ firmware. Likewise the NZ Firmware tool will not recognise or support the US firmware file. Therefore a NZ->US conversion file and instructions are needed... I'm currently trying to code a serial number stamp and reading tool for the DFR7 so please give me a few days, and then I will check out the conversion again.
 
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Thanks for your thoughts ... but as far as I know there is no reason I should not be able to revert.
Mithheru is not 'working on it' per se.
To date, Mithheru has bricked two of his detectors working on this, and I have bricked one.... your call.
 

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To date, Mithheru has bricked two of his detectors working on this, and I have bricked one.... your call.
Sorry to hear that, I did not have this information ...
Any chance to revive the units?
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Please whatever you do, do not reinstall the original NZ firmware over the conversion with the NZ Firmware tool. This contributed at least in part to killing one of my previous detectors. I DELIBERATELY DID NOT INCLUDE THE NZ DFR7 FIRMWARE UPLOAD TOOL with the files, please DO NOT USE IT! It simply cannot be used for this conversion (It will likely be needed to go backwards, but that will be for me to test and set out in future instructions).
I think this information should be stated in bold at the top your instructions ...
 
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To date, Mithheru has bricked two of his detectors working on this, and I have bricked one.... your call.
Probably best to pay close attention to the instructions and not stray from it whatsoever people. Don't get tricky and follow Mithheru's lead.
 
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Probably best to pay close attention to the instructions and not stray from it whatsoever people. Don't get tricky and follow Mithheru's lead.
Yep, if you follow the instructions you are fine (the DB replacement at the end is optional I'd note).
The detector I bricked was about 2 months ago before the process was perfected.
 

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To date, Mithheru has bricked two of his detectors working on this, and I have bricked one.... your call.
Actually that is not quite correct. I included UncleArthur's one in my tally. I originally considered the conversion would be analogous to the R3, hence was overconfident in my initial direction to UncleArthur.

So actually the conversion was third time lucky.

However, don't get complacent. Please follow my instructions exactly. @KABAND has also just now received two versions of the UK database to test on his LRD950 NZ, and for its US version (when we get back to that).
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I have also now implemented a serial stamping protocol. Previously my databases have generally been encrypted by detector serial number so as to only give limited alerts if installed on the wrong detector. This cannot be implemented on the DFR7 due to firmware limitations. However, I have now additionally implemented a serial stamp into the database itself. This can now be read back from the detector itself, and can thereby be used to check the serial number from inside the unit matches the number printed on the outside of the detector and/or to trace who that database was released to. Therefore anyone considering sharing one of my databases should now be aware of this new feature.

Therefore, whilst I do intend to keep making database releases freely available, the databases are not intended or approved for sharing between different people or detectors. However, I'm not planning on implementing the encryption for the USA/Canada databases, hence these will continue to be made available on the forum to all of those who need it.

Thanks again to everyone for the input, feedback and understanding! 🙂
 
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Actually that is not quite correct. I included UncleArthur's one in my tally. I originally considered the conversion would be analogous to the R3, hence was overconfident in my initial direction to UncleArthur.

So actually the conversion was third time lucky.

However, don't get complacent. Please follow my instructions exactly. @KABAND has also just now received two versions of the UK database to test on his LRD950 NZ, and for its US version (when we get back to that).
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I have also now implemented a serial stamping protocol. Previously my databases have generally been encrypted by detector serial number so as to only give limited alerts if installed on the wrong detector. This cannot be implemented on the DFR7 due to firmware limitations. However, I have now additionally implemented a serial stamp into the database itself. This can now be read back from the detector itself, and can thereby be used to check the serial number from inside the unit matches the number printed on the outside of the detector and/or to trace who that database was released to. Therefore anyone considering sharing one of my databases should now be aware of this new feature.

Therefore, whilst I do intend to keep making database releases freely available, the databases are not intended or approved for sharing between different people or detectors. However, I'm not planning on implementing the encryption for the USA/Canada databases, hence these will continue to be made available on the forum to all of those who need it.

Thanks again to everyone for the input, feedback and understanding! 🙂
I think that's an exceptional move Mithheru. Some dick will pass it on to his mate, then he will bugger it up, thinking he knows how it goes, and the blame for a supposed dodgy setup comes back on you. Then word goes round and the rep is tarnished e.c.t.
Doing it like that, specifically one on one can pinpoint it to a certain serial and person. Helps troubleshoot and less stress from bricking going on by forum outsiders. Protects your efforts too and stops net rotation of the software. Very. Good. Safe. Move..... Smart.
 

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Actually that is not quite correct. I included UncleArthur's one in my tally. I originally considered the conversion would be analogous to the R3, hence was overconfident in my initial direction to UncleArthur.

So the 'Brick' was caused while trying to Convert US - > NZ and NOT while trying to BackConvert from NZ -> US?
 

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So the 'Brick' was caused while trying to Convert US - > NZ and NOT while trying to BackConvert from NZ -> US?
Correct, the opportunity to convert back didn't exist at the time because the detector had been converted into a brick
 

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Okay, I now have a second US DFR7 unit which arrived today.

Started looking into the NZ-> US conversion. The US unit is showing 1.12 as the main firmware which I have, and 1.10 as the Sub Firmware - WHICH I DON'T HAVE!? The only sub US firmware file I have is 1.00. So does anyone have the 1.10 sub firmware, or know what the difference is? My understanding is this is probably gps firmware, so any differences may be quite minor!?

If you can help out with a copy of this firmware file, please let me know.
 

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Okay, I now have a second US DFR7 unit which arrived today.

Started looking into the NZ-> US conversion. The US unit is showing 1.12 as the main firmware which I have, and 1.10 as the Sub Firmware - WHICH I DON'T HAVE!? The only sub US firmware file I have is 1.00. So does anyone have the 1.10 sub firmware, or know what the difference is? My understanding is this is probably gps firmware, so any differences may be quite minor!?

If you can help out with a copy of this firmware file, please let me know.
I checked all my archives, the only SUB version I got is the 1.00 ... it must be compatible with 1.12E since I have not seen any OEM SUB Upgrade (1.00 -> 1.10)
 

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