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While I was taking a trip I had this cool idea written out about how Radenso would release a SDR-like antenna which was used to feed a smart phone via USB-C for signal processing. The whole idea is the phone is your source for databases, digital signal processing, GPS functionality, firmware updates to the app and attenna(s), for sending logs to the mother-ship, and where you can add features to the app.

So, somewhat like the V1 you would have an API that would allow you to expand upon the open sandbox section of the app. Speaking of that, you could essentially have JBV1 features for a hardware platform that as a foundation is like nothing we have used in terms of the "DRESS code" for RDs. So rather than have our awesome developers spend time creating features which make our RDs more tolerable because manufacturers are behind where they should be, they can do more with crowd sourcing and other neat ideas!

The app would run very reliably on IOS or Android, and the not so cheap price tag will come in the investment of a proper smart phone that meets the required specs - as in has USB-C and is running minimum versions of each OS. The antenna itself would not be cheap, but less than $1000. Despite being a SDR-like unit having SOME pricey components, the software is what you're really investing in.. and paying back all the RD & engineering labor. So for those with a more modern phone you're not hit too hard; when you purchase the antenna they provide a license for the app.

So long as the antenna can scan the spectrum(s) of interest in the manner desired the system itself would remain very future proof given the state of smart phones. It would become a very sustainable system that could potentially reach a lot of people if made very easy to use; I assume they got the BSM filtering and range dialed in. Keeping the system current wouldn't even be a talked about with the system connect via wire over USB-C, and interfacing with a phone that is almost always connected to an internet source. Downloads could be set to only occur on wifi which are then stored to your phone and automatically pushed to the antenna upon a connection.

I was really running with this idea earlier on my own.... I could even see clever mounts for your phone and whatnot being released. I don't think that's quite it though because I think relying on a smart phone really tickles Murphy's Law for some attention. I think they can basically achieve the above with very flexible hardware that has processing power to at least remain usable for 5+ years... a very easy update process, and an API!

I don't know where I am right now and couldn't tell you what the hell is coming from Radenso ;) but it's the most exciting time in this industry that I've been a part of. Maybe we'll not be as excited once we see what's coming, but at least we have a timeline with hints directly from the manufacturer! Bravo!

@Jon at Radenso and I already had this discussion. It seems no phone currently available has the processing speed or interface speed to even remotely accomplish this. Yes the phone could be used as storage and for lockouts, but the Detector or a separate interfaced CPU controller needs to be doing the dedicated spectrum processing. Yes today's phones have fast processors but none of them are really designed to allow full speed use of that processing power by outside I/O devices especially when a CPU Controller can be purpose built to interface with Antennas, Receivers, and Spectrum Analyzers.

My thinking was put all the money into the RD hardware and "Require" a smart phone to be the Display and Interface (Audio/User Input/Setting/Controls) as well as storage of locks and other things of interest like JBV1. This would save some money that could go to improving the actual RD receiver.
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I really like the idea of just providing an antenna for a phone, but unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way due to things like latency and ADC conversion. Trust me, I would love to offer something cheap and feasible that did that (and it wouldn't hurt my mass market customers since they wouldn't use it anyway), but I just don't think it's technically possible to make it affordable at this time.
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@Jon at Radenso and I already had this discussion. It seems no phone currently available has the processing speed or interface speed to even remotely accomplish this. Yes the phone could be used as storage and for lockouts, but the Detector or a separate interfaced CPU controller needs to be doing the dedicated spectrum processing. Yes today's phones have fast processors but none of them are really designed to allow full speed use of that processing power by outside I/O devices especially when a CPU Controller can be purpose built to interface with Antennas, Receivers, and Spectrum Analyzers.

My thinking was put all the money into the RD hardware and "Require" a smart phone to be the Display and Interface (Audio/User Input/Setting/Controls) as well as storage of locks and other things of interest like JBV1. This would save some money that could go to improving the actual RD receiver.
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This is pretty much correct - phones are fast, but interfacing with them in a way that allows proper spectrum analysis is very limited currently.
 
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While I was taking a trip I had this cool idea written out about how Radenso would release a SDR-like antenna which was used to feed a smart phone via USB-C for signal processing. The whole idea is the phone is your source for databases, digital signal processing, GPS functionality, firmware updates to the app and attenna(s), for sending logs to the mother-ship, and where you can add features to the app.

So, somewhat like the V1 you would have an API that would allow you to expand upon the open sandbox section of the app. Speaking of that, you could essentially have JBV1 features for a hardware platform that as a foundation is like nothing we have used in terms of the "DRESS code" for RDs. So rather than have our awesome developers spend time creating features which make our RDs more tolerable because manufacturers are behind where they should be, they can do more with crowd sourcing and other neat ideas!

The app would run very reliably on IOS or Android, and the not so cheap price tag will come in the investment of a proper smart phone that meets the required specs - as in has USB-C and is running minimum versions of each OS. The antenna itself would not be cheap, but less than $1000. Despite being a SDR-like unit having SOME pricey components, the software is what you're really investing in.. and paying back all the RD & engineering labor. So for those with a more modern phone you're not hit too hard; when you purchase the antenna they provide a license for the app.

So long as the antenna can scan the spectrum(s) of interest in the manner desired the system itself would remain very future proof given the state of smart phones. It would become a very sustainable system that could potentially reach a lot of people if made very easy to use; I assume they got the BSM filtering and range dialed in. Keeping the system current wouldn't even be a talked about with it connected via wire over USB-C, and interfacing with a phone that is almost always connected to an internet source. Downloads could be set to only occur on wifi which are then stored to your phone and automatically pushed to the antenna upon a connection.

I was really running with this idea earlier on my own.... I could even see clever mounts for your phone and whatnot being released. I don't think that's quite it though because I think relying on a smart phone really tickles Murphy's Law for some attention. I think they can basically achieve the above with very flexible hardware that has processing power to at least remain usable for 5+ years... a very easy update process, and an API!

I don't know where I am right now and couldn't tell you what the hell is coming from Radenso ;) but it's the most exciting time in this industry that I've been a part of. Maybe we'll not be as excited once we see what's coming, but at least we have a timeline with hints directly from the manufacturer! Bravo!

Seriously, someone pass the Kool-Aid I have dry mouth and can't get enough of this until SEMA is here. Wait... I just thought of another idea... if your RD doesn't false you sure as shit don't need to be tapping the screen to report a LEO on any band... you. could... just let the RD do all the work and know that the CSA's and any alerts are 99.98% likely an actual LEO or speed cam. Someone else was trying that, and then they invented lockups which made all the K band falses go away. It made all the bad noises go away.
How would this continue through your phone, if you have a phone call? Will you be running blind while using your phone? If it does need an iphone or android to work, that counts out anyone that still uses flip phones, and yes, not everyone wants the newer phones,but enjoy the reliability and toughness of a bulletproof flip. Just a thought...
 

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@Jon at Radenso and I already had this discussion. It seems no phone currently available has the processing speed or interface speed to even remotely accomplish this. Yes the phone could be used as storage and for lockouts, but the Detector or a separate interfaced CPU controller needs to be doing the dedicated spectrum processing. Yes today's phones have fast processors but none of them are really designed to allow full speed use of that processing power by outside I/O devices especially when a CPU Controller can be purpose built to interface with Antennas, Receivers, and Spectrum Analyzers.

My thinking was put all the money into the RD hardware and "Require" a smart phone to be the Display and Interface (Audio/User Input/Setting/Controls) as well as storage of locks and other things of interest like JBV1. This would save some money that could go to improving the actual RD receiver.
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Can't remember if it was maybe a public discussion you had with Jon, but I remember seeing a comment by him talking about latency being a challenge.

I assume they'll be using a FPGA for parallelism and flexibility you think? That's my layman's guess. I'll combine with your idea and say they'll have a local display that's mulicolor and decent quality, but they'll def have an API for things like JBV1. Based on Jon's comment below I think they're appealing to everyone to ensure longevity and future products, which you could do that by blowing the DRESS code out of the park. There is a RD that can appeal to both regular users and enthusiasts if it just works damn well while offering customization to those who might want it. Maybe that time is upon us!!

I really like the idea of just providing an antenna for a phone, but unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way due to things like latency and ADC conversion. Trust me, I would love to offer something cheap and feasible that did that (and it wouldn't hurt my mass market customers since they wouldn't use it anyway), but I just don't think it's technically possible to make it affordable at this time.
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This is pretty much correct - phones are fast, but interfacing with them in a way that allows proper spectrum analysis is very limited currently.
Bummer! But hey maybe something for when the timing is right.
 

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Notable absent... libautolockouts. Hope the R7 delay and escort/uniden lawsuit isn't a sign that they won't make the cut
 

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hm so this detector will have arrows and good BSM filtering. I’m assuming it’ll have an API based on Jon’s previous comments about the importance of including it. The range should be pretty awesome as well because why wouldn’t it?

If this is the case and it could integrate with JBV1, it could blow out of the water both the current and most likely whatever the new V1 is whenever “two weeks” rolls by.

Maybe this could be like a souped up V1/JBV1 on steroids?
 

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hm so this detector will have arrows and good BSM filtering. I’m assuming it’ll have an API based on Jon’s previous comments about the importance of including it. The range should be pretty awesome as well because why wouldn’t it?

If this is the case and it could integrate with JBV1, it could blow out of the water both the current and most likely whatever the new V1 is whenever “two weeks” rolls by.

Maybe this could be like a souped up V1/JBV1 on steroids?
The JBV1 integration is why I'm most excited for this detector after seeing it in action on one of your recent videos. Very impressive stuff, even given the limitations of the V1. Has @johnboy00 given any hints as to whether he'd be open to supporting other detectors? (given an openly accessible API of course)
 
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I have said before we will have an open API - as Vortex said, that's not a secret. It is up to the individual developers whether or not they choose to develop for us.
 

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hm so this detector will have arrows and good BSM filtering. I’m assuming it’ll have an API based on Jon’s previous comments about the importance of including it. The range should be pretty awesome as well because why wouldn’t it?

If this is the case and it could integrate with JBV1, it could blow out of the water both the current and most likely whatever the new V1 is whenever “two weeks” rolls by.

Maybe this could be like a souped up V1/JBV1 on steroids?
@Jon at Radenso doesn't have a hair on his @ss if he hasn't tradmarked V2 yet ;)
 

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The JBV1 integration is why I'm most excited for this detector after seeing it in action on one of your recent videos. Very impressive stuff, even given the limitations of the V1. Has JohnBoy given any hints as to whether he'd be open to supporting other detectors? (given an openly accessible API of course)
I’ve asked in the past and it looks like he’s up for it. :D All compatible detectors (i. V1 and presumably this new Radenso) would integrate into one app.


My plan when I arrive at SEMA this year:
Step 1: Bee line it to the Radenso booth.
Step 2: See, chat, learn, ask questions, shoot photos and videos, edit, post.
Step 3: Everything else I guess?
 

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My plan when I arrive at SEMA this year:
Step 1: Bee line it to the Radenso booth.
Step 2: See, chat, learn, ask questions, shoot photos and videos, edit, post.
Step 3: Everything else I guess?
Wonder what the atmosphere is at escort/uniden/valentine right now... "Fuck fuck fuck, we were going to unveil a new patent / new notch filter / new inventory in two weeks... Quick, come up with something better to sell!"
 

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I’ve asked in the past and it looks like he’s up for it. :D All compatible detectors (i. V1 and presumably this new Radenso) would integrate into one app.
Awesome! Hard to believe no one else has done this yet. If all of this is well executed, there will really be no competition for the best detector anymore. Vortex, watch out, you may be out of a job lol
 

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My plan when I arrive at SEMA this year:
Step 1: Bee line it to the Radenso booth.
Step 2: See, chat, learn, ask questions, shoot photos and videos, edit, post.
Step 3: Everything else I guess?
Step 4: Stop by the Escort booth and ask for directions to the Radenso booth.
Step 5: Repeat.
 

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Awesome! Hard to believe no one else has done this yet. If all of this is well executed, there will really be no competition for the best detector anymore. Vortex, watch out, you may be out of a job lol
Maybe this time next year, my yearly “best radar detectors” video won’t have to be an hour long, lol. One can only dream...
 

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Wonder what the atmosphere is at escort/uniden/valentine right now... "Fuck fuck fuck, we were going to unveil a new patent / new notch filter / new inventory in two weeks... Quick, come up with something better to sell!"
Honestly they probably don't even know whats going to hit them. None of them strike me as the most forward looking companies. Escort/Valentine don't even have a presence on this forum do they?
 

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How would this continue through your phone, if you have a phone call? Will you be running blind while using your phone? If it does need an iphone or android to work, that counts out anyone that still uses flip phones, and yes, not everyone wants the newer phones,but enjoy the reliability and toughness of a bulletproof flip. Just a thought...

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I should have been more specific:

When interfacing with a phone for an RD APP or to use as an RD Display, it would be best to have a SmartPhone (chocolate bar phone) to really be of any use IE think iPhone 6^ or Android Galaxy. Next the phone would most likely not be your main phone if one really wants to still have a separate RD interface and Phone.

In other words similar to what I run now: iPhone connected to my car Head Unit via AppleCar Play running VVaze and Tidal plus being the source for my hands free text and phone calls while acting as the Hot Spot Internet Connection for my Galaxy Note 8 running JBV1 and the display for my V1 (in the Thunderbird it is the JBV1 display for V1/TMG).

Having an active Internet Connection for JBV1 to use adds loads of additional useable information and of course is needed for VVaze anyway.

Can this be done with a single Smartphone, yes it can, and still get phone calls pus not losing one use as an RD because the SmartPhone is only acting as an advanced display and storage device for BSM and Fixed K Band marks. The RD is still functioning on its own. I have audio come through my Galaxy but also have my V1 audio on any Ka Band detection IE they are still acting independent of each other while working together.
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I certainly hope Radenso will file patents on the best features asap so they don't get shut down by competitors doing it to them.
Somehow, protect these ideas and product development from being hamstrung by protectionist actions of unimaginative companies.
We don't need another 30 years of stagnation in this market.
 

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I wonder if @johnboy00 would consider making an iOS version if he makes JBV1 support the new Radenso RD? I know he wasn’t interested before, but hopefully he might reconsider under the circumstances? I would gladly pay for it on iOS.
 

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I certainly hope Radenso will file patents on the best features asap so they don't get shut down by competitors doing it to them.
Nawww, seems like a waste of time and money.
 

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