Ticket for 91/55 and reckless operation

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bye lol
See @xydrine its not personal, nobody reads anyone’s rules

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bye lol

see @xydrine its not personal, nobody reads anyone’s rules
They're not ALL BAD. And I know many that are doing real public service. Not this "speeding" nonsense. It comes down to local policy. What's the priority? Public service, or highway robbery? But I do know many (in my line of work) that are very good people. They are in that job for the right reason. They DO care about helping people. Then again, I know some departments that are rancid. Not good! But you can't stereotype them all.

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They're not ALL BAD. And I know many that are doing real public service. Not this "speeding" nonsense. It comes down to local policy. What's the priority? Public service, or highway robbery? But I do know many (in my line of work) that are very good people. They are in that job for the right reason. They DO care about helping people. Then again, I know some departments that are rancid. Not good! But you can't stereotype them all.

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I am in no way saying this is a bad person, I know plenty of people in the profession as well. All I’m saying is OP has no place here which is not my decision, what’s the point of rules if we’re only going to pick and choose which ones to enforce.
 

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This attitude is not consistent with RD Forum expected behavior. A sarcastic "bye lol" is rude, demeaning, and uncalled for. If you suspect someone of breaking the rules, simply report the post and refrain from talking down to them.

All I’m saying is OP has no place here which is not my decision, what’s the point of rules if we’re only going to pick and choose which ones to enforce.
Simply report the user, and Security Detachment will review the situation and respond on a case by case basis. Regarding the rules, we will discuss the rule itself and make any changes if deemed necessary. Thanks.
 

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Man that sucks, hopefully you can find a lawyer that can get this reduced.

As far as the "rules" hes retired and living in another state from where he was an LEO. frankly I think you guys take this no LEO's way to seriously and strict. I met a few LEO's on the C2C race who also raced in the event there are many LEO's who are just like us or should I say more like a few of us here who push the limits of driving.
 

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Well if they let you stay this long, I guess you're in. Funny thing I wrote out a whole paragraph about my problem in my introduction as well only to have to go repost it in the correct section. Hopefully no hard feelings, but I'm used to them being real strict about leos in the past. Funny how some advanced boys gave the same energy to the other cop @ilguy with nobody calling them out, most likely just because he actually got the axe. If you have not already been bombarded with people asking you about radar tactics from your department(s), I'd advise considering writing up a thread or something about it - visual estimation training in particular would be very neat.

I'll start with your ticket: based on all the ticket help posts, I know all about crooked little towns but you'd be surprised at how much a lawyer can help you out of that, a lot of them know the judges personally as well. But that's enough of that, everyone here has been worried about your ticket which Isn't bad but there is something that's going to cause a headache down the road when you start being more technical.

Have always liked and used the uniden r3 radar detector, saved me many times. I LIVE in a place called Bryson City,North Carolina. It is in The Smoky Mountains and very rural, with windy highways known to motorcycles, right near The Dragon Tail in Fact.
Perfect on you for getting the right detector for the right scenario, I'm taking my R3 to the grave with me. By the rest of your writeup you are way ahead of the power curve on CM knowledge compared to a lot of initial posters here.

The North Carolina State Patrol is very pro-active on Highway 28, 74 and the popular Highway 19. They all use instant on or pop Stinger radars on the popular KA Band.
Here's where it gets hairy...

You know the difference between X (10.525GHz), K (24.125 or 24.150GHz), and Ka band (33.8, 34.7, and 35.5GHz).

you already know the difference between constant on radar and instant on radar, throughout the forum here you'll see them as CO and IO. when you're shooting instant on and are clocking the speed as fast as you can then switching your unit back off as fast as you can, in the ultimate desperation to beat radar detectors (RDs) you are shooting a form of instant on called quick trigger, or QT ( QT does not defeat the almighty R3's sensitivity but spanks your cheap detectors). While some make it easier than others, these are features that can be pulled off on any radar gun. When you say Stinger I'm going to assume you mean Stalker because Stinger produces laser jamming solutions. Disregarding X band, Disregarding other obsolete stuff, and disregarding everything outside of the USA: Applied concepts' brand Stalker produces units that all operate on k band or 34.7 Ka. Decatur and Kustom Signals only operate on K band or 35.5 Ka. And finally, MPH Industries produces units that operate on K and 33.8 Ka. MPH is the only brand to have a special mode called POP mode, and it is absolute trash - it's not even remotely accurate. I can explain it if you want but it's not legal to write a ticket off of it alone and it's basically QT on steriods that developed a nasty dysfunction. Think of Hugh Hefner as QT and then POP would be him after going blind from Viagra. This means that POP can only come from an MPH gun or 33.8 on Ka (nobody could prove or disprove of there being a current K band MPH gun with POP when I last hunted for it). However, detectors act like POP can be anywhere (probably futureproofing) and so you might get POP falses in an IO encounter from a Stalker or whatnot. I have POP off and haven't looked back and I've survived plenty of 33.8 IO encounters. The reason is why deal with the falses? Even if someone has no idea what they're doing and thinks it's a good idea to shoot POP, they then have to follow up with IO to make sure they got the right speed and guy and establish their tracking record. This means you still have a basic IO encounter to detect.

You probably don't need to think about MRCD/MRCT so that's another day, Radar is not to be confused with LIDAR / laser which is a whole different animal, as well as the many other ways they come for your speed.

Anyways, hope this clears everything up,
Good luck and stay safe out there.
 

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Troopers get very upset with higher numbers these days. That's like finding a pound or two of heroin for a cop that does non-traffic, which troopers don't.
I got a 91 in a 70 recently... It wasn’t even me. The LEO misidentified. I lawyered up and I was fine... luckily I/he was under the reckless amount here...

91 in a 55 though... that’s a huge differential.

Just lawyer up.
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He’s retired guys... let it go...
 
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15 over is an automatic 30 day suspension
9/10 hits will be IO
Only city and county will run CO
Troopers at night occasionally run CO when completely hidden
Usually the end of a concrete barrier and backed in against the rail w a 4wd charger
Get yourself a Swain county lawyer for $100

He'll get it dropped to improper equipment 0 pts $275
Case closed
 

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15 over is an automatic 30 day suspension
9/10 hits will be IO
Only city and county will run CO
Troopers at night occasionally run CO when completely hidden
Usually the end of a concrete barrier and backed in against the rail w a 4wd charger
Get yourself a Swain county lawyer for $100

He'll get it dropped to improper equipment 0 pts $275
Case closed
man that really blows...

30 and over here is reckless. When that happens you can’t defer and should lawyer up no matter what...
 

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man that really blows...

30 and over here is reckless. When that happens you can’t defer and should lawyer up no matter what...
Didnt see it was over +25
A good lawyer can still get him 9 over and reckless dropped
3 dmv pts 0 insurance points
But if he lives out of North Carolina he will still get 3 points
Plus you have to point out to your own insurance carrier the 9 over 0pts thing
Took $300 off over 6mos
I have pamphlet from dept of insurance if you want it that says they cant give u ins pts for 9 over first time
 

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That sucks, what a sh***y way to have introduce yourself to RDF, but welcome. After reading this, my first thought was what does @Choose Life have to say about all this, because if anybody knows about the ridiculous laws and sneaky tactics used in NC it's him. So, I read the entire thread just waiting to read his response. After watching many of his video's if anybody was gonna lose their license in NC for being 25 over it would be him! Lol. As expected he was very familiar with the law and gave what I'm sure is good advice. I'm a little surprised we haven't heard from @Kennyc56 on the topic. His computer must be broken because there's no way he missed a thread, and I don't see a single like from him! Lol. :p
 

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That sucks, what a sh***y way to have introduce yourself to RDF, but welcome. After reading this, my first thought was what does @Choose Life have to say about all this, because if anybody knows about the ridiculous laws and sneaky tactics used in NC it's him. So, I read the entire thread just waiting to read his response. After watching many of his video's if anybody was gonna lose their license in NC for being 25 over it would be him! Lol. As expected he was very familiar with the law and gave what I'm sure is good advice. I'm a little surprised we haven't heard from @Kennyc56 on the topic. His computer must be broken because there's no way he missed a thread, and I don't see a single like from him! Lol. :p
This is the first I've seen of this @Driver66 ! Now I'll go and read it all!
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Have always liked and used the uniden r3 radar detector, saved me many times. I LIVE in a place called Bryson City,North Carolina. It is in The Smoky Mountains and very rural, with windy highways known to motorcycles, right near The Dragon Tail in Fact. Just want to let people know that radar detectors dint save you everytime.
The North Carolina State Patrol is very pro-active on Highway 28, 74 and the popular Highway 19. They all use instant on or pop Stinger radars on the popular KA Band. I do drive a Cadillac CTS-V and i am very careful about speeding, except at track. While getting on Highway 28, this past Saturday, from my street, i was supposively clocked at 91/55. The trooper clocked me as i came out of tight s curve about half mile from my house. There was also a Porshe Targa in the inner lane about 10 car lengths behind me. As i came out of curve my radar went off strong, hit brakes immediately and looked at speedometer, it said 63mph. Subsequently pulled over and received tickets. I do go very fast from time to time but believe i was only going about 73 to 75mph, granted still speeding but not 91mph. Trooper stated he thought i was drag racing the Porshe because he saw him coming up on me after he came out curve. I did have near perfect driving record before this, one speed citation 15yrs ago for 45/25 in a small town in Ohio where i use to live.
Needless to say I think the Trooper clocked the wrong car. Cant fight it here, or go to trial because being a small town, there crooked, judge knows prosecutor, friends with troopers, in fact all three of them have a annual Christmas Party together every year. In North Carolina, regardless of speed, if you are 15mph hour over posted speed limit it is a automatic 1yr license suspension, you heard that right, ridiculous. They make you pay a extra $125 to court, to get a unrestricted driving privlage for 1 year, then a $200 reinstatement fee at end of year.
What am I getting at here. The point is I am a Retired Law Enforcement officer. When i heard that troopers out here push there instant on and lock buttons at the same time I couldnt believe it. There is a protocal i was taught at radar school. First you have to good at guessing speeds of cars first. Then you turn on radar and observe that the speed and audio tone match, then you press lock. Oh, one other thing, they dont have to or do they even let you see there locked radar speed of you.
Long Story short. NORTH CAROLINA HAS THE MOST STRICT TRAFFIC LAWS IN THE COUNTRY. WATCH YOUR SPEED AND DONT DEPEND ON YOUR RADAR DETECTOR IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY DO NOT PLAY BY THE RULES HERE.
I've been telling people that NC is the toughest state on traffic laws in the country for years! That's why only the very best countermeasures will do, and even then it's a real b****! I agree 100% with @Choose Life , let a lawyer handle it all! Don't go near the courthouse unless you have no choice! You don't have a snowballs chance in hell if you face a NC judge, especially after the comment you made about out running the trooper!
 
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I got bagged by moving IO in the opposite lane coming around a bend this summer on my way to the Outer Banks. It was in Currituck county.

Lawman was all business and so was I. Cited me for 76 in a 55. Looked up the charge and found 15+ is also technically a misdemeanor crime not just an infraction aka criminal record if I plead guilty.

Lawyered up with a good old boy who grew up in Currituck. He was double all the other lawyers but I walked away with a “county code violation” which is non moving and doesn’t get reported to the state so it never shows up on my DMV record.

Damage:

$350 legal fees
$213 court fees and fine
$60 4 hour NC driving course that took me 12 - I’m special but now I know how to deal with livestock in the road
$6 to pull my driving abstract from NY





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What I find interesting (and a relief for out-of-staters), is that if you live in a strict speeding enforcement state like NC & VA, those severe penalties generally only apply to residents of those states. An out-of-stater who gets a ticket in one of them will normally get the violation reported to their home state and have to pay the fine to the ticketing state, but the points & mandatory suspensions generally do not apply to their own home state's license (absent some other major violation like DUI or leaving the scene of an accident, for which the home state may then access its own penalty).
 

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If my home state (California) got a report that I was doing 91/55, they'd just assess one point on my license and be done with it. If > 100 mph, two points and done. I wouldn't even get my license suspended unless I somehow reached 4 points in < 36 months.
 

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What I find interesting (and a relief for out-of-staters), is that if you live in a strict speeding enforcement state like NC & VA, those severe penalties generally only apply to residents of those states. An out-of-stater who gets a ticket in one of them will normally get the violation reported to their home state and have to pay the fine to the ticketing state, but the points & mandatory suspensions generally do not apply to their own home state's license (absent some other major violation like DUI or leaving the scene of an accident, for which the home state may then access its own penalty).
I thought this was the case as well but after doing some research and talking to my lawyer I learned about the “Drivers License Compact”.

If NC suspended my license NY would have recognized the suspension.





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I thought this was the case as well but after doing some research and talking to my lawyer I learned about the “Drivers License Compact”.

If NC suspended my license NY would have recognized the suspension.





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I am pretty sure that they treat violations as if they occurred in the home state. i.e. if I got caught doing 102 mph in VA and convicted in court, then it's assessed as CVC 22348(b) and 2 points on the license.
 

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I thought this was the case as well but after doing some research and talking to my lawyer I learned about the “Drivers License Compact”.

If NC suspended my license NY would have recognized the suspension.





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Yup,
If you want a license in a certain state and just travel around make that state a non-signator to the driver's license compact like Wisconsin. If I get a ticket out of Wisconsin the points don't apply here and generally out-of-state violations aren't even reported.
 

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