Will we see another update to the R7 or is the game over

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I really question why people need to be so rude toward Uniden and their efforts on the R7. Rome was not built in a day, and this radar detector won't be perfect overnight either. If you don't like the way Uniden is doing stuff then just quit buying their products. If they really are that crappy of a company the rest will fall into place by itself.

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I think the ultimate answer to the OP's question is this; if the Radenso Theia works as it's been promoted and is sold at a competitive price, it's pretty much game over for all current RDs at the high end of the market where the R7 competes.
 

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It's game over man, what are we gonna do now?
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I hope you all understood the sarcasm here, like it's game over,what we gonna do now?
Nothing in our lives is going to be affected by waiting until firmware is ready for release.
Other than some over anxious perfectionist behaviors eating at some people's sanity.
We will survive the wait, and praise all the wonderful improvements, until we find another flaw and the cycle begins again.
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R7 prices are already positioning it to own the mid-level market below Theia.
 

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Not sure if those prices you see for the R7 are sustainable for the health of Uniden.

Sales numbers might look great from a mid-management point of view, but when you look at the profit margin bottom line of before the price reduction to now......

Depending on the margins that they need, will there be enough “Meat on the Bone” to keep those prices there once the financials catch up to the sales figures?

Can the R3 stay there as well price wise as well?
 

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Not sure if those prices you see for the R7 are sustainable for the health of Uniden.

Sales numbers might look great from a mid-management point of view, but when you look at the profit margin bottom line of before the price reduction to now......

Depending on the margins that they need, will there be enough “Meat on the Bone” to keep those prices there once the financials catch up to the sales figures?

Can the R3 stay there as well price wise as well?
Hopefully manufacturing/parts costs are coming down over time as well. One would think that as volume increases they can get parts cheaper unless there is a component that is hard to source.
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Another thought is they could be opening space at the $399 spot for an “R5/R3 mkII” with R7 level processor/memory but a single horn.
 
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I think the ultimate answer to the OP's question is this; if the Radenso Theia works as it's been promoted and is sold at a competitive price, it's pretty much game over for all current RDs at the high end of the market where the R7 competes.
This goes along with some of the other stupid comments posted on this forum.....Almost as bad as the OPs post..... Radenso isn't the end all for everyone. It might be for 1% of the radar purchasing population....but that other 99%.......not so much. I don't give a hoot which manufacturer anyone chooses to put in their windshield, but it's truly a thought devoid of ration to believe this will be the end or "game over" for "all current RDs."
 

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Not sure if those prices you see for the R7 are sustainable for the health of Uniden.

Sales numbers might look great from a mid-management point of view, but when you look at the profit margin bottom line of before the price reduction to now......

Depending on the margins that they need, will there be enough “Meat on the Bone” to keep those prices there once the financials catch up to the sales figures?

Can the R3 stay there as well price wise as well?
Agree. I have no idea on what RD margins are, but there could be a point were current brands revisit there numbers and see if it makes sense to continue with current units and fund ongoing costs for updating if the new sales are not there. It will be very interesting to see what impact Theia has on legacy RD pricing and their future. At launch, probably not that much impact as we believe the initial Theia’s will be fully featured and pricey for many, but I beleive the intention is global distribution and if it takes off, plus lower featured/priced units become available well..
 
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This goes along with some of the other stupid comments posted on this forum.....Almost as bad as the OPs post..... Radenso isn't the end all for everyone. It might be for 1% of the radar purchasing population....but that other 99%.......not so much. I don't give a hoot which manufacturer anyone chooses to put in their windshield, but it's truly a thought devoid of ration to believe this will be the end or "game over" for "all current RDs."
To be fair, he specified the “High End”
Market where the 360C and the R7 reside.

The post you quoted had nothing to do with “all current RD’s”.

There’s always going to be a market for Cobras and other lower tiered, less expensive detectors on the market. Not everyone can afford a $500 + detector.
 

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Not sure if those prices you see for the R7 are sustainable for the health of Uniden.

Sales numbers might look great from a mid-management point of view, but when you look at the profit margin bottom line of before the price reduction to now......

Depending on the margins that they need, will there be enough “Meat on the Bone” to keep those prices there once the financials catch up to the sales figures?

Can the R3 stay there as well price wise as well?
I can only guess that if these prices are maintained that Uniden has recovered most of it's return on investment and can now sell at lower margins while maintaining profit margins.
Could there be a new detector coming that they are clearing out current stock and parts? Like the sales on 2019 vehicles making way for 2020.
Maybe an R7 with bold new graphics and an aluminum body ...:iiam:
 

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This goes along with some of the other stupid comments posted on this forum.....Almost as bad as the OPs post..... Radenso isn't the end all for everyone. It might be for 1% of the radar purchasing population....but that other 99%.......not so much. I don't give a hoot which manufacturer anyone chooses to put in their windshield, but it's truly a thought devoid of ration to believe this will be the end or "game over" for "all current RDs."
Wow. Sorry to have upset you. I'll watch my opinions in future.
 

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I'm have a feeling Uniden gets the same amount of money for the detector as always, the ones making less of a "margin" are the dealers or ones selling it.
 

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I’ve owned several Uniden detectors, and I honestly think the R7 will be the last product I purchase from them.

Certain features and functions were promised which as of today have yet to be finalized a year later.

There is a level of customer service and support which is definitely expected at the price point we all paid for our units... and which I believe Uniden has failed to deliver on.

BSM? MRCD?

We all have choices. Rather than bitch and moan about my dissatisfaction, I will be showing it with my wallet.


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It's game over man, what are we gonna do now?
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The R7 will still have a place in the RD industry. Based on what I've read and seen on video, Theia is a work of art that will revolutionized the RD industry for the first time. Radenso just went out of the box and made their own way of identifying radar signals not based on frequency but by signature or characteristic of a radar signal. It will be the most expensive windshield mount radar detector and that will be the drawback to a good number of consumers. The down side I see on the R7 is BSM falses and MRCD. Hopefully Uniden will be able to find a solution for it in the future. The current R7 software is already capable of minimizing K band false audio alerts when setup properly. Sensitivity wise, the R7 does not need to increase detection range because it already is more than enough. I get over 2-3 miles of detection range in an ideal situation and has very good over the hill detection even if the Theia will topple the R7 with it's detection range. Good thing with all this, it gives the consumer a variety of radar detectors to choose from and we as consumer will always win when there is competition from RD manufacturers. Really looking forward to see what Jon and company will offer next year. I'm thinking of the Theia having a screen with strength meter, name of the radar gun used during alert, a voice alert of the radar gun used and parameter settings to choose to accept or deny a particular radar signature or characteristic to be processed. It will be an interesting year for Radenso if they come out with it next year. For now, I'm very satisfied with my R7. I don't deal with MRCD in my area and can suppressed BSM signals with QR at 85 mph. I don't think it will be game over for the R7. It will still have a spot IMO.
 

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I really question why people need to be so rude toward Uniden and their efforts on the R7. Rome was not built in a day, and this radar detector won't be perfect overnight either. If you don't like the way Uniden is doing stuff then just quit buying their products. If they really are that crappy of a company the rest will fall into place by itself.

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I’m not at all sure who is being rude. That is a strange thing to say. I don’t think anyone was rude to pay $650 dollars to them to buy their product. I don’t think that anyone was rude to listen and believe what they said when they released it. I don’t think that it has anything whatsoever to do with rude that people expected that Uniden would support that product in the same manner and style that they had been supporting products up to the that point. I don’t think anyone was rude when their frontman, Kuni, quit. Not at all, people were patient then and gave them time to replace him, thinking (apparently wrongly) that the commitment to customers came from Uniden rather than just Kuni.

Uniden isn’t building Rome. I think that is a larger task than providing support to a $650 radar Detector. And no one asked them to provide an update in a day. It has been months that have been available to Uniden to provide an update to the product or at the least to communicate with it’s customers.

I think you misunderstand the basic philosophy of a capitalist system. Uniden is the product provider, which they issue or provide to customers in order to make money, produce a profit and convince people to buy their brand. We are the customers. Customers are the one‘s that buy a product and/or service and expect to receive support in return. I believe that you have that backwards.
 
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I’m not at all sure who is being rude. That is a strange thing to say. I don’t think anyone was rude to pay $650 dollars to them to buy their product. I don’t think that anyone was rude to listen and believe what they said when they released it. I don’t think that it has anything whatsoever to do with rude that people expected that Uniden would support that product in the same manner and style that they had been supporting products up to the that point. I don’t think anyone was rude when their frontman, Kuni, quit. Not at all, people were patient then and gave them time to replace him, thinking (apparently wrongly) that the commitment to customers came from Uniden rather than just Kuni.

Uniden isn’t building Rome. I think that is a larger task than providing support to a $650 radar Detector. And no one asked them to provide an update in a day. It has been months that have been available to Uniden to provide an update to the product or at the least to communicate with it’s customers.

I think you misunderstand the basic philosophy of a capitalist system. Uniden is the product provider, which they issue or provide to customers in order to make money, produce a profit and convince people to buy their brand. We are the customers. Customers are the one‘s that buy a product and/or service and expect to receive support in return. I believe that you have that backwards.
While I agree with nearly every sentiment you express, the fact is our society is now used to rapid response, service, updates as set by the high tech industry and all our high tech gadgets.
It's a simple fact the radar detector industry is no where near as evolved as other electronic industries and are unable to provide high end support.
We are only now seeing development of more sofisticated detectors, software, abilities and customer service coming to us soon.
The current industry is antiquated comared to our expectations.
I accept this fact and have been more patient than most waiting for firmware updates, but that statement is because the R7 is working great for me in my areas. If I faced daily MRCD or BSM madness my feelings on this would be much more aligned with the peeved off crowd.
All that said, I have a feeling those Beta testers and Uniden are nearing a release, maybe another 2 W,M, Y. :D
 

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Not sure if those prices you see for the R7 are sustainable for the health of Uniden.
Can the R3 stay there as well price wise as well?
Uniden is just not just a radar detector manufacturer and they have a bigger market not just the US but around the world. Radenso may catch up later but that takes time. The move by Uniden to lower the price by $100 lately pave's a way to recoup cost and R&D expenses. The R7 will still have a place in the radar detector industry and there could be a price war. But before that, Radenso has to get their cost of production first before they can see profit or before they go with the price war with the R7.
 

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Uniden is just not just a radar detector manufacturer and they have a bigger market not just the US but around the world. Radenso may catch up later but that takes time. The move by Uniden to lower the price by $100 lately pave's a way to recoup cost and R&D expenses. The R7 will still have a place in the radar detector industry and there could be a price war. But before that, Radenso has to get their cost of production first before they can see profit or before they go with the price war with the R7.
Your right. Uniden is a much bigger company.
The downside is the RD division is such a small part of it..
If the RD division is making sales, but not contributing to the parent company financially, support itself and infrastructure, how long will they allow that to go?

Their bread and butter, for years was the cordless phone market. Scanners is another niche market.

Not saying they can’t make a go of it with the way they are as I don’t know the margins, but.....
I’ll bet Kuni, who works for Radenso sure does.

It all depends where Theia gets priced, and how it performs.

Then, the market might have to worry about Radenso, using their modular system and poping out a single horn detector in a plastic case with a much lower price point. Minimal tooling required.

If, BIG IF, Theia performs as advertised, and Radenso decides to use the guts on a single horn cheaper model, would arrows be enough to keep the sales up on the R7?

Even if they’re able to keep it at the price it is now.......... or would the numbers fall to V1 status which has much much less overhead and no shareholders to answer to

If we’re thinking about this now, and Theia isn’t even released yet, you would have to think that the rest of the manufactures in this space are too.

Interesting times are ahead for the industry. We all wait to see how Theia performs and the $$$ before we have a better idea.
 

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One thing I don't understand; why do some of you think Uniden is just ignoring issues with their detector? Do you think they are sitting around playing rummy and laughing about how they're making people wait for updates? Do you think they're talking at the watercooler about how some of you are mad or upset? Do you HONESTLY think they've simply pushed all their customers aside and decided they aren't going to worry about their image?
Guys, none of us know the timing of their business decisions nor why. None of us are privy to the day to day operations. None of us have any idea why the update is a little slower on the R7. Seems we are a fickle group. A few months ago we were mostly praising everything Uniden did. Now, they are trying their best to anger us? C'mon folks. Just because they don't share every aspect of their business with us, is no reason to start labeling them as not caring, listening, or even working. We know the update is being worked on. Just because you want it last week/month doesn't change anything. They're running their business the way see as best.
 

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One thing I don't understand; why do some of you think Uniden is just ignoring issues with their detector? Do you think they are sitting around playing rummy and laughing about how they're making people wait for updates? Do you think they're talking at the watercooler about how some of you are mad or upset? Do you HONESTLY think they've simply pushed all their customers aside and decided they aren't going to worry about their image?
Guys, none of us know the timing of their business decisions nor why. None of us are privy to the day to day operations. None of us have any idea why the update is a little slower on the R7. Seems we are a fickle group. A few months ago we were mostly praising everything Uniden did. Now, they are trying their best to anger us? C'mon folks. Just because they don't share every aspect of their business with us, is no reason to start labeling them as not caring, listening, or even working. We know the update is being worked on. Just because you want it last week/month doesn't change anything. They're running their business the way see as best.
No... the problem is probably due to the fact that they lost their key engineer several months back to Radenso. So, that is more than likely why we haven’t seen an update. They simply don’t have the talent in-house currently.

No one said that Uniden is sitting around laughing about the situation, but the truth is that this is a small, niche industry and it’s exceptionally difficult to find qualified, experienced techs who can carry the torch.

If you think image means anything to manufacturers check out Valentine. They haven’t had any product to sell (or upgrade) for a year now... yet they continue to tell folks “two weeks.” The V1 forum is a great place to see how much of a joke they have become... yet the company could care less and has yet to release a statement advising as to the actual status or reason for the delays.


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Does anyone know the exact reason the release has taken this long? I don't. I doubt many, if any of you do.

All I'm saying is there's a reason the update hasn't been released and it isn't "just because".
 

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