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Well, it’s been probably 12 years since my last pull over. Really, I deserve this because I haven’t put my ALPs on my new vehicle. Anyway, I got popped via rear LIDAR today 85/65. I’m going to have to find me a lawyer. The old one I used in the past has long retired. It’s been so long I don’t even know the good ones in this area. :D
 

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I've got one (lawyer) in Guilford County if that helps any.
 
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Well, it’s been probably 12 years since my last pull over. Really, I deserve this because I haven’t put my ALPs on my new vehicle. Anyway, I got popped via rear LIDAR today 85/65. I’m going to have to find me a lawyer. The old one I used in the past has long retired. It’s been so long I don’t even know the good ones in this area. :D
You're in NC right? Where did this happen?

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Yep, Forsyth County
Rough area where this happened? In the past I haven't encountered rear laser, but I was on 77 in Mooresville yesterday and there was a LEO in a SUPER good hiding spot behind a barrier, I didn't see him till I passed him at a good clip. I didn't get any alerts, but I also only have front sensors

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Sad to hear about the loss. It always is a bad feeling knowing that you "could" have done something differently, but what's done is done! It's almost always the pesky LIDAR.
 

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Well, it’s been probably 12 years since my last pull over. Really, I deserve this because I haven’t put my ALPs on my new vehicle. Anyway, I got popped via rear LIDAR today 85/65. I’m going to have to find me a lawyer. The old one I used in the past has long retired. It’s been so long I don’t even know the good ones in this area. :D
That sucks buddy! Same thing happened to me about 4 years ago in Dunn NC. I was shot in the back with laser too on I-95 heading south. Of course, my Redline-O didn't make a peep! Not that I would have expected it to. Got a lawyer from the area to handle it. Good luck!
 

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Rough area where this happened? In the past I haven't encountered rear laser, but I was on 77 in Mooresville yesterday and there was a LEO in a SUPER good hiding spot behind a barrier, I didn't see him till I passed him at a good clip. I didn't get any alerts, but I also only have front sensors

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This was the Westinghouse road exit off of highway 52. It’s actually a perfect spot that I’ve only seen a LEO use maybe 3 times ever. I usually glance back there and was just zoning through there. Situation fail and CM fail. :facepalm:

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That sucks buddy! Same thing happened to me about 4 years ago in Dunn NC. I was shot in the back with laser too on I-95 heading south. Of course, my Redline-O didn't make a peep! Not that I would have expected it to. Got a lawyer from the area to handle it. Good luck!
Yeah, I had no clue until I was past the next exit and saw lights coming. I knew he was after me and no where to go. It’s just the way it goes. We can’t expect to never get a ticket. I’m just glad it was a little traffic or I think he would have had a reason to tack on reckless......
 
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I don't understand your American system.
People get busted speeding, caught dead to rights, and they get a lawyer to fight it.
1) Doesn't a lawyer cost more than a ticket and insurance for 1 hour of his time?
2) How does a lawyer get you out of ticket?
3) Cops usually have all the evidence, video, and their upstanding word. You have next to nothing usually unless you record some corrupt LEO action. How does a lawyer get around this?
4) Your time, money, effort, stress, lost wages to attend court or lawyer... How can you recover this with lawyers?
I understand sometimes a person has a lot at stake with a speeding ticket depending on recent record or profession but for the majority why default to a lawyer instead of sucking it up and moving on?
Personally I would up my CM game if caught, and only represent myself if I believe it wasn't fair.
Unless there was some sort of corrupt LEO action that deserved fighting with a lawyer.
 

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I don't understand your American system.
People get busted speeding, caught dead to rights, and they get a lawyer to fight it.
1) Doesn't a lawyer cost more than a ticket and insurance for 1 hour of his time?
2) How does a lawyer get you out of ticket?
3) Cops usually have all the evidence, video, and their upstanding word. You have next to nothing usually unless you record some corrupt LEO action. How does a lawyer get around this?
4) Your time, money, effort, stress, lost wages to attend court or lawyer... How can you recover this with lawyers?
I understand sometimes a person has a lot at stake with a speeding ticket depending on recent record or profession but for the majority why default to a lawyer instead of sucking it up and moving on?
Personally I would up my CM game if caught, and only represent myself if I believe it wasn't fair.
Unless there was some sort of corrupt LEO action that deserved fighting with a lawyer.
Well

1) Not really. A lawyer will probably be $300. 20 over in NC is your license. Show up to defend yourself with the wrong judge and watch what happens.
2) Local lawyers know the DA, they know the judges. They know who they can deal with.
3) True, I don’t have to be present since the lawyer is representing me. So, he can push the court date out and the LEO may not show up at the court date resulting in a dismissal.
4) I have no lost wages when the lawyer is showing up instead of me.

Really it comes down to your driving record. If it’s crap or your speed is too high, the lawyer isn’t going to do much for you. If you have a good record, he can help. The last time I got a 85/65 12 years ago. I got a lawyer and never thought about it again. I got a letter stating my ticket had been reduced to improper equipment. Honestly, it’s just all a racked.

Another thing people don’t think about when just paying a ticket. Let’s say you get a second ticket the following year. Watch what happens to your insurance. That’s the reason we fight all tickets here.
 

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I'm used to well prepared RCMP ready for court, court dates all arranged to benefit the officer to attend and perhaps deal with several that day.
All evidence meticulously documented right down to the daily calibration of speed equipment.
Judge making sure LEO follows all procedures and chastizes them if sloppy. However more than willing to correct misinformation on your ticket right there and your sunk.
Never seen a lawyer in any traffic court I've attended.
Mostly people just showing up to see if the officer showed too, then get up and leave when they see the gig is up.
Totally different culture than to the south....
 

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I'm used to well prepared RCMP ready for court, court dates all arranged to benefit the officer to attend and perhaps deal with several that day.
All evidence meticulously documented right down to the daily calibration of speed equipment.
Judge making sure LEO follows all procedures and chastizes them if sloppy. However more than willing to correct misinformation on your ticket right there and your sunk.
Never seen a lawyer in any traffic court I've attended.
Mostly people just showing up to see if the officer showed too, then get up and leave when they see the gig is up.
Totally different culture than to the south....
Well, I've never used a lawyer in traffic court, and I've won 6 out of 7 cases. Not everyone uses lawyers. The thing you have to remember is that the prosecution has to do everything by the book. If they screw up in some minor detail, or the person who issued the ticket screwed up in a minor way, you get off scot-free. My last ticket wasn't a speeding ticket but was a parking ticket, and I got out of it because the signs were not compliant with the MUTCD.

There's a ton of things you can throw at the prosecution and hope they screw up. Schedule your trial 40-45 days after being arraigned and do not waive time (45 days is the speedy trial limit). Send your discovery request 21-23 days before the trial (prosecution has 20 days to respond to discovery requests). Prove it was actually safe to be going faster than PSL (if you were cited for basic speed law) with dashcam video. Show videos taken through the HUD of your LIDAR gun in which the LIDAR gun registers a speed of say 10-12 mph on a parked car, due to the "sweep effect". Etc. And then, on the day of the trial, hope that the officer just no shows and it gets dismissed by default.
 

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I'm used to well prepared RCMP ready for court, court dates all arranged to benefit the officer to attend and perhaps deal with several that day.
All evidence meticulously documented right down to the daily calibration of speed equipment.
Judge making sure LEO follows all procedures and chastizes them if sloppy. However more than willing to correct misinformation on your ticket right there and your sunk.
Never seen a lawyer in any traffic court I've attended.
Mostly people just showing up to see if the officer showed too, then get up and leave when they see the gig is up.
Totally different culture than to the south....
Might just be the area of B.C. thing. I know quite a few people in Alberta that usually get a lawyer involved for speeding tickets and the like. Plenty of good cops and plenty of cops who have a bad day and try to throw the book at you. Each policing area is different. I know places that are strict on tint, speeding, noise and "stunting" and there are places that are lenient. While I don't agree with the "Sue, sue, sue" culture to the nth degree, I respect those who question everything around them. Never become complacent!
 

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BC is "different".
Courts, your DL, highway improvements, RLCs and some policing in funded and instructed by ICBC. (government monopoly insurance)
Judge will fix your ticket for you right there, name wrong, address, license number, no problem, carry on sir and present your defense. It's even law a mistake does not dismiss a ticket.
Cops, mostly rookies, will get dressed down by the judge but rarely do they throw out a ticket for minor procedural gaffs.
Present a good case with facts and logic with evedence and you have a chance to reduce the fine or win outright. But if cop has his evedence and his oath you lose 8 out of 10.
You get no choice in court date, it is assigned to you. It is arranged so officer can do several of his on a day he is scheduled for court. It easily can be 6 months or a year for that date. You can request reschedule only once.
No such thing as proving safe to be a bit over. The PSL is the law. 1 kph over is breaking the law. Maybe you could talk down the fine amount but the ticket will stand.
All that said 1 won 5 out of 6, but long time since I had to be there.
 

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Well, I've never used a lawyer in traffic court, and I've won 6 out of 7 cases. Not everyone uses lawyers. The thing you have to remember is that the prosecution has to do everything by the book. If they screw up in some minor detail, or the person who issued the ticket screwed up in a minor way, you get off scot-free. My last ticket wasn't a speeding ticket but was a parking ticket, and I got out of it because the signs were not compliant with the MUTCD.

There's a ton of things you can throw at the prosecution and hope they screw up. Schedule your trial 40-45 days after being arraigned and do not waive time (45 days is the speedy trial limit). Send your discovery request 21-23 days before the trial (prosecution has 20 days to respond to discovery requests). Prove it was actually safe to be going faster than PSL (if you were cited for basic speed law) with dashcam video. Show videos taken through the HUD of your LIDAR gun in which the LIDAR gun registers a speed of say 10-12 mph on a parked car, due to the "sweep effect". Etc. And then, on the day of the trial, hope that the officer just no shows and it gets dismissed by default.
If you ever come to a NC courthouse, with a lawyer or solo, the next time you'll try to get it handled out of court. All it takes is one time! I've had a judge tell my lawyer to have a seat while he told me what my options were! That was at the beginning of the trial! Granted, that was more than 20 years ago, but damn!
 
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This was the Westinghouse road exit off of highway 52. It’s actually a perfect spot that I’ve only seen a LEO use maybe 3 times ever. I usually glance back there and was just zoning through there. Situation fail and CM fail. :facepalm:

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Yeah, I had no clue until I was past the next exit and saw lights coming. I knew he was after me and no where to go. It’s just the way it goes. We can’t expect to never get a ticket. I’m just glad it was a little traffic or I think he would have had a reason to tack on reckless......
thats a helluva sneaky spot
 

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Rough area where this happened? In the past I haven't encountered rear laser, but I was on 77 in Mooresville yesterday and there was a LEO in a SUPER good hiding spot behind a barrier, I didn't see him till I passed him at a good clip. I didn't get any alerts, but I also only have front sensors

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When they added the express lanes they built in hiding spots for LEOs. I’ve marked them on my detector to remind me but you can look for signs along the concrete barrier that say authorized vehicles only. That’s about the only way to spot them before it’s too late.
 

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I don't understand your American system.
People get busted speeding, caught dead to rights, and they get a lawyer to fight it.
1) Doesn't a lawyer cost more than a ticket and insurance for 1 hour of his time?
2) How does a lawyer get you out of ticket?
3) Cops usually have all the evidence, video, and their upstanding word. You have next to nothing usually unless you record some corrupt LEO action. How does a lawyer get around this?
4) Your time, money, effort, stress, lost wages to attend court or lawyer... How can you recover this with lawyers?
I understand sometimes a person has a lot at stake with a speeding ticket depending on recent record or profession but for the majority why default to a lawyer instead of sucking it up and moving on?
Personally I would up my CM game if caught, and only represent myself if I believe it wasn't fair.
Unless there was some sort of corrupt LEO action that deserved fighting with a lawyer.
Our system has become just another tax. With speed limits so artificially low, they can hand out tickets on just about any highway to 95% of the cars doing 5-10 over, some places 85% of the cars are 15-20 over the limit. For certain places and conditions just 2 tickets in a 6 month period can result in a loss of your license (construction zone, texting) . No one really wants someone to lose their ability to drive to work, etc for basic speeding. Drunk driving etc, that is different.

The towns, counties and states get so much revenue from these fines there is no incentive to change the limits, or the laws. Some towns would not even be able to fund garbage collection or other services without the ticket revenue.

Due to these items the system has morphed into a cash collecting machine with little relevance to safety - with the LEOS, Judges and Lawyers all knowing its just about the money - Dont speed (wink wink), so it has become pretty easy to negotiate a non moving violation and just pay a fine.

For the most part, From a jurisdictions perspective its just a lot easier to let the person plead to a non point violation, collect the money for the fine and the court surcharge and move on. If they had to fight with a lawyer, or get endless appeals, all the effort spent by the city/town fighting the ticket is less money they have in their coffers as they would need to hire several lawyers to keep up with traffic court.

In the end - they just want you money and it has evolved to a point where almost no town budget near a highway can be met without the ticket revenue, so they make it easy to pay without getting the points and higher insurance.
 

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Our system has become just another tax. With speed limits so artificially low, they can hand out tickets on just about any highway to 95% of the cars doing 5-10 over, some places 85% of the cars are 15-20 over the limit.
That's illegal, and that's why you always ask for the engineering and traffic survey data that justifies the speed limit. The speed limit MUST be set at the 85th percentile speed, and if it is not, you can get the ticket tossed on those grounds alone. This works on most local roads which are covered by basic speed law (i.e. town speed traps). Sadly, it does NOT work under PSL set by maximum speed law (55 mph on undivided two lane roads, 65 mph on divided highways, 70 mph on rural divided highways). But anything under the statutory maxima is basic speed law and prima facie and must both be justified by an engineering and traffic survey AND is legal to exceed, even if justified, if the defendant can prove it was safe to exceed the PSL (have dashcam video because burden of proof is on the defendant and is based on traffic conditions at the time the ticket was issued).
 
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thats a helluva sneaky spot
You bet, I’ve been going through here for 15 years and until the last couple months, you never see anyone on the south bound lanes here. I’ve always thought it was the perfect spot. I bet he was sitting far enough up no one could see him. So, he wasn’t marked on waze.
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When they added the express lanes they built in hiding spots for LEOs. I’ve marked them on my detector to remind me but you can look for signs along the concrete barrier that say authorized vehicles only. That’s about the only way to spot them before it’s too late.
I’ve never marked locations. But, I think I may along the express lanes. There’s definitely a couple of spots that you can’t see him until it’s too late.
 

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