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I look at it this way... It doesn't matter how much complaining we do here because really that doesn't affect Uniden. If a lot of you feel you've been wronged, there are several avenues to take to rectify the situation (not that they will all work). I'll name one, but there are many others... Many of you know each other, and there's no reason why you couldn't pool resources, and hire an attorney. If all the evidence is gathered, and a good argument is made, maybe, just maybe, an attorney will start a Class Action. Through purchases over the past 30 years, I've received many letters in the mail for other groups who have formed a Class Action, and typically, they are able to recover some funds that are spread through the group.

One example was a Craftsman push mower I bought 10 years ago. Briggs and Stratton lied about the HP the engine had. They were proven to have fudged the numbers making look like the engine had more HP than it really did. Someone formed a Class Action, and after it was all said and done Briggs and Stratton settled, and payed out X amount of dollars per owner. It wasn't much, because there were a lot of people who bought that engine, but still there was compensation.

In this case, if it can be proved Uniden advertised and charged for a feature that they never followed through with, there may be a reason to start litigation.

I'm just sound boarding here, as I'm not a lawyer -- far from it. So really it would need to be discussed with those who really understand and know consumer law.

To finish this up.. For me, I'll be happy to know if it is being actively worked on. At least then I would know there is light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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Thats a bad idea to try and sue Uniden and it wouldn’t go anywhere anyway. As posted earlier the R7 will have Auto Lockouts, but Uniden never promised when. You wont hear anymore from them about it, until it is confirmed.
 

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At the time of purchase my R7 had every feature and specification as per Uniden claims.
I have no recourse to complain.
Wish for Easter egg features that are hinted at? You bet, won't turn that down.
However I am somewhat peeved that the MRCD detection feature does not live up to advertisement. That definetly needs to be corrected and should be a priority.
Thanks to members on this forum I know they have been working on it. Patiently waiting.
 

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@DC Fluid, were you around and lurking here in early January of 2019? If not, I'll bet you missed a lot of drama regarding the entire R7 announcement that might explain why some of us are coming from an entirely different point of view than you are.

The box also says that the R7 is "Spectre Elite Undetectable" and the R7 is said to have 2,000 GPS lockouts. Neither of those "advertised features" are accurate.

Some people feel as if Uniden has been a little disingenuous, and to them, they have good reason to feel that way. Blindly defending a manufacturer is not going to get anything rectified.
 

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@DC Fluid, were you around and lurking here in early January of 2019? If not, I'll bet you missed a lot of drama regarding the entire R7 announcement that might explain why some of us are coming from an entirely different point of view than you are.

The box also says that the R7 is "Spectre Elite Undetectable" and the R7 is said to have 2,000 GPS lockouts. Neither of those "advertised features" are accurate.

Some people feel as if Uniden has been a little disingenuous, and to them, they have good reason to feel that way. Blindly defending a manufacturer is not going to get anything rectified.
Believe me I hear what you are saying.
I researched and purchased early June. R3 first then R7.
After years away from following RD review sites I poured over comparisons of detectors.
I was quite shocked to see repeated instances where my favorite Escorts had been dethroned.
Ended up with a Radenso then added Uniden.
I am a performance biased customer, the product better work exceptional.
I had seen the R7 auto lockouts speculation and took it as just that. Speculation and wishful thinking.
That was my view as a non-biased consumer looking for a product they knew little about anymore.
Many posts here came off like some sort of entitled whining for the feature.
So many have posted that the Escort patent was considered still in effect. Unfortunate but it is what it is.
Uniden might also find a limitation while developing auto lockouts and have to revise hardware and release a newer model.
Just because it is capable, and there is an intent, doesn't mean it will become reality, or on anyone's timeframe but the manufacturers.
There is no blind loyalty here to any manufacturer. I learnt that lesson many years ago on very expensive items.
Anyone ever let down by their lifelong dedication to a vehicle manufacturer?? That's a lot more emotion in the game than a RD.
 

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Believe me I hear what you are saying.
I researched and purchased early June. R3 first then R7.
After years away from following RD review sites I poured over comparisons of detectors.
I was quite shocked to see repeated instances where my favorite Escorts had been dethroned.
Ended up with a Radenso then added Uniden.
I am a performance biased customer, the product better work exceptional.
I had seen the R7 auto lockouts speculation and took it as just that. Speculation and wishful thinking.
That was my view as a non-biased consumer looking for a product they knew little about anymore.
Many posts here came off like some sort of entitled whining for the feature.
So many have posted that the Escort patent was considered still in effect. Unfortunate but it is what it is.
Uniden might also find a limitation while developing auto lockouts and have to revise hardware and release a newer model.
Just because it is capable, and there is an intent, doesn't mean it will become reality, or on anyone's timeframe but the manufacturers.
There is no blind loyalty here to any manufacturer. I learnt that lesson many years ago on very expensive items.
Anyone ever let down by their lifelong dedication to a vehicle manufacturer?? That's a lot more emotion in the game than a RD.
Some people around here just can't wait. They want instant solutions. They want a perfect stand alone radar detector that has all the bells and whistles with no kinks. The truth is, we will never get a aka perfect all in one package radar detector due to patents and engineering design by different manufacturers. It also takes time and testing to make sure every changes will be reliable and functional. There will always be someone who will complain. To me, the R7 was package nicely with a lot of features that we can adjust to our liking. People around here need to think that the support Uniden has given the public is better than the others out there. I have been away as well from the RD world until last year and was left behind with the RD updates. But seeing some of the improvements that Uniden has given us from the R1/R3/R7 impresses me. Now I have 2 radar detectors from Uniden. Their products are not perfect but it is the package I wanted based on support of the product and the performance of the product. Other's complain about the case has cheap plastic casing. What matters to me as a consumer is the 3 important things. Reliability, performance and support. When I see all three criteria's, you bet I will buy that product.
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Don't know why you can't edit your post anymore. One thing I need to add which I forgot. How many updates have been released since that R7 was introduced? I have never seen a company that listens to it's consumer base customers and released that many updates with their firmware in a short period of time specially the R7.
 
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Still waiting for someone to provide documentation where Uniden officially said when the R7 would support auto lockouts... because, Uniden really owes us nothing.

Vortex is not a official representative of the company, and regardless of who told him, it is still secondary information as reported.
We really disagree here. Uniden owes us everything. We are the customer. The attitude that a business that produces a product and asks us to buy that product over other competing products owes us nothing is bad. Very bad. They want our “business” as in money and loyalty. Without that they have nothing. In this case, Uniden has, at the least, “teased” their customers with tacit promises spread informally in THEIR network. They know who vortex is and what he represents to this forum and thus what his endorsement means to their product. Don’t underestimate business. They understand strategy. They know exactly what they are doing. And as I found in two instances where I needed warranty service, Uniden upper management is in complete control of all of the decisions made at Uniden, even ones the I think should be able to be made at a lower level. How hard would it honestly be for them to make a simple statement about it, even to just say it is delayed due to more legal issues than they anticipated, or whatever?

Anyway, I am not trying to roast Uniden and the thread is turning that way. They do make a good product and I won’t criticize anyone that chooses one. I am just frustrated with them and will move on to other manufacturers.
 
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Uniden is a business.
Their business is to make profits.
Not friends, loyal followers, happy drivers or anything else.
Profits.
As long as they play within the rules as governed by the laws they can choose how they run their business however like.
That includes decisions to appease certain customer demands or not.
Of all the deceptive advertising, warranty denials, false guarantees and unsafe products exposed to us, this whole auto lockouts thing isn't even a speck of sand on the beach.
Uniden could pull the plug on the entire RD industry tomorrow for any reason they want.
Perhaps we should encourage them with positive business approaches instead of claiming we've been fouled.
They are a business. Tell them the R7 is so awesome and all it needs for you to recommend it to all your friends, and buy for all your family, is for a simple update to include auto lockouts, because that is what all your friends want. And keep prices well below Escort too...
 

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At this point I really don't care for auto-lockouts everyone is wanting because it is only 2000 lockouts that it will use for the feature and you will probably burn through that really quickly. Its more like auto-lockouts lite. What I really want is for them to really upgrade the BSM capabilities to Escort Max360ci BSM capabilities and get the MRCD detection fixed. If those things happened, then that more than makes up for the no lockouts.
 

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At this point I really don't care for auto-lockouts everyone is wanting because it is only 2000 lockouts that it will use for the feature and you will probably burn through that really quickly. Its more like auto-lockouts lite. What I really want is for them to really upgrade the BSM capabilities to Escort Max360ci BSM capabilities and get the MRCD detection fixed. If those things happened, then that more than makes up for the no lockouts.
I have never ever use a single lockout location since I have acquired the R3/R7. Agree with what you stated in areas Uniden needs to work on.
 

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Speaking of auto lockouts;
Prior to January 2019 I had in excess of 2,300 auto lockouts. I cleared them all in January and started fresh.
As of right now, I have 1,167 auto lockouts. 0 manual lockouts. 0 white-listed locations.

If/when Uniden gets auto lockouts going, it will be interesting to see how the numbers do. Max is 1,750.
 

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Does anyone know what Escort's patent number is regarding auto lockouts? Like some others I bought the R7 based on it's detecting performance. I can't see the point of a radar detector that doesn't give you the best possible early warning - extras be damned! This is the reason I still love my old Escort Redline original. No frills, all business detector.
 

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Does anyone know what Escort's patent number is regarding auto lockouts? Like some others I bought the R7 based on it's detecting performance. I can't see the point of a radar detector that doesn't give you the best possible early warning - extras be damned! This is the reason I still love my old Escort Redline original. No frills, all business detector.
 

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Speaking of auto lockouts;
Prior to January 2019 I had in excess of 2,300 auto lockouts. I cleared them all in January and started fresh.
As of right now, I have 1,167 auto lockouts. 0 manual lockouts. 0 white-listed locations.

If/when Uniden gets auto lockouts going, it will be interesting to see how the numbers do. Max is 1,750.
Holy molly BlueV1. That's a lot of lockouts. Can't do it here in K band country though.
 

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Holy molly BlueV1. That's a lot of lockouts. Can't do it here in K band country though.
IMO, it's the only way to do lockouts in K band country. Auto-lockouts on JBV1 are narrow (+/- 8MHz), and enforce a 1:1 signal to lockout ratio. That means if JBV1 locks out a stationary false at 24.154, and the next day there is a LEO parked near the lock out location running a K band gun at 24.154, the detector will alert because it sees the second signal and only has a stored lockout for one signal at that frequency. AFAIK it's the only detector capable of this.

Which would you prefer in an area with active K band use: having to remember every stationary false location and keep an eye out for signals you don't recognize, track the ramp up, and spend time looking around trying to determine whether it is a threat, or have your detector quiet all the time unless there is a new signal it hasn't seen before?
 

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You mean it is the only detector that has an app with the available processing power to do this.
Yes we would all benefit from cellphone processing power in our detectors, with the ability to use 3rd party apps.
 

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Holy molly BlueV1. That's a lot of lockouts. Can't do it here in K band country though.
As InsipidMonkey said, it works great in K-band areas.
Attached is a histogram showing all of my K-band hits (almost 90,000 miles worth) as well as the percentage of those that are locked out.
This is across 5-7 states that I travel in. Also note at the bottom that I get way more K-band than all of Ka combined.
 

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IMO, it's the only way to do lockouts in K band country. Auto-lockouts on JBV1 are narrow (+/- 8MHz), and enforce a 1:1 signal to lockout ratio. That means if JBV1 locks out a stationary false at 24.154, and the next day there is a LEO parked near the lock out location running a K band gun at 24.154, the detector will alert because it sees the second signal and only has a stored lockout for one signal at that frequency. AFAIK it's the only detector capable of this.

Which would you prefer in an area with active K band use: having to remember every stationary false location and keep an eye out for signals you don't recognize, track the ramp up, and spend time looking around trying to determine whether it is a threat, or have your detector quiet all the time unless there is a new signal it hasn't seen before?
Thinking of mikes “Murphy’s law” topic. What would happen if the door opener was inoperative at the time a cop setup k band there. Would the user get nailed with the jbv1 lockout. In theory yes, my point is, seems every type of lockout is not full proof, it’s just about the odds of it actually happening. Everyone is focused on a cop with a 2nd signal.
 

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I don't believe you understand the 1:1 signal relationship thing well enough in that scenario. It would have to be the same frequency, nearly the same strength, and there's a directional component too. This is different than a simple 24.116 signal can replace a 24.116 signal. If the signal is stronger than it was in previous passes it will alert as well.
 

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A cell phone could compute a trip to Mars and back.
Should be able to handle complex RD functions to extreme levels of functionality.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a powerful enough of a chipset in RDs that all these issues could be programed in a stand alone device?
Piggy backing on other hardware seems to be a pirate type of solution to inadequate design.
 

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