Ticketed for using my high beams in a potentially dangerous situation

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On my way home in Pennsylvania i was ticketed for high beaming a cop. He was traveling uphill and i was traveling downhill. The road curved to the left and down in front of me. As youd imagine, his lights were blinding me. I then, instinctively, turned my high beams on to see the road in front. ( the area has a huge deer population from my experience driving there and i try to see as far as i possibly can, especially in the dark, in PA, and while in a corner. He pulled me over and wrote me ticket. I asked him why he didn’t write a warning (as i was licensed and mostly drive in NYC, where every taxi driver and their mother drive with light bars and high beams, you name it and the cops dont really care) and he responded with “this isnt nyc; i could have but i chose to write you a ticket.” I tried explaining to him further that i was traveling downhill right after cresting a hill, in a sedan with a lower ride height, and that his suv’s low beams were blinding me. I pleaded with him that i was getting blinded and i need to turn my high beams on and his response was “ i didn’t build the road” and “i didn’t choose your car”.
What are my options?
P.S. I have dashcam footage. Footage shows i turned my beams on about 40 feet away. But footage also shows a huge amount of glare coming from his headlights.
 

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Yeah I would fight it as well. Does it have the violation or the statute number he cited you on the ticket?
 

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Yeah I would fight it as well. Does it have the violation or the statute number he cited you on the ticket?
He told me i would get it in the mail.
I called the local PD, they said he must have been in a rush to get out of there if he didn’t give me a paper ticket. Really weird situation. The officer was incredibly rude. Hes a state trooper.


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What an asshole.
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From my experience local cops are actually not bad. i have a few as friends. State troopers are straight up assholes.
 

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This has been a hot topic in PA. Residents (myself included) are making a stink with our local politicians because out-of-state tourists absolutely delight in driving around with their high beams on, blinding everybody.

Once you get dazzled by somebody's high beams, and then you go back to standard rural darkness, it's a very dangerous situation for you as a driver as your vision is significantly impaired now. And, as you said, deer are a very real threat.

If you had oncoming traffic coming at you, you shouldn't have had your high beams on. Sorry.
 

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On my way home in Pennsylvania i was ticketed for high beaming a cop. He was traveling uphill and i was traveling downhill. The road curved to the left and down in front of me. As youd imagine, his lights were blinding me. I then, instinctively, turned my high beams on to see the road in front. ( the area has a huge deer population from my experience driving there and i try to see as far as i possibly can, especially in the dark, in PA, and while in a corner. He pulled me over and wrote me ticket. I asked him why he didn’t write a warning (as i was licensed and mostly drive in NYC, where every taxi driver and their mother drive with light bars and high beams, you name it and the cops dont really care) and he responded with “this isnt nyc; i could have but i chose to write you a ticket.” I tried explaining to him further that i was traveling downhill right after cresting a hill, in a sedan with a lower ride height, and that his suv’s low beams were blinding me. I pleaded with him that i was getting blinded and i need to turn my high beams on and his response was “ i didn’t build the road” and “i didn’t choose your car”.
What are my options?
P.S. I have dashcam footage. Footage shows i turned my beams on about 40 feet away. But footage also shows a huge amount of glare coming from his headlights.
Show the video...

I got pulled over for this once and got an attorney to fight this one

In NJ the law says if you are on hills and curvey roads, you are allowed to have you high beams on. The officer in my case illegally ticketed me as he was not in accordance with the law.

You have to find out the state laws in PA about having your brights on. Using the excuse that this situation was his fault bc his beams were blinding you imo is invalid. Focus on the terrain and why you needed the high beams and remove the leo from the situation.

i think what you did was legal but your argument, blaming him, was a very poor choice and led you to this ticket, even if it was true.
 
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I'm sure a judge will throw this out if you attend court. Seems like a odd situation to ticket someone.
Probably not. Traffic citations are handled at the District Judge (local residents who are elected) level. As I mentioned, this is a hot-button topic. It's doubtful the DJ will just throw this out.
 

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On my way home in Pennsylvania i was ticketed for high beaming a cop. He was traveling uphill and i was traveling downhill. The road curved to the left and down in front of me. As youd imagine, his lights were blinding me. I then, instinctively, turned my high beams on to see the road in front. ( the area has a huge deer population from my experience driving there and i try to see as far as i possibly can, especially in the dark, in PA, and while in a corner. He pulled me over and wrote me ticket. I asked him why he didn’t write a warning (as i was licensed and mostly drive in NYC, where every taxi driver and their mother drive with light bars and high beams, you name it and the cops dont really care) and he responded with “this isnt nyc; i could have but i chose to write you a ticket.” I tried explaining to him further that i was traveling downhill right after cresting a hill, in a sedan with a lower ride height, and that his suv’s low beams were blinding me. I pleaded with him that i was getting blinded and i need to turn my high beams on and his response was “ i didn’t build the road” and “i didn’t choose your car”.
What are my options?
P.S. I have dashcam footage. Footage shows i turned my beams on about 40 feet away. But footage also shows a huge amount of glare coming from his headlights.
some guy that drives the same type of car as you probably ran off with his wife
 

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This has been a hot topic in PA. Residents (myself included) are making a stink with our local politicians because out-of-state tourists absolutely delight in driving around with their high beams on, blinding everybody.

Once you get dazzled by somebody's high beams, and then you go back to standard rural darkness, it's a very dangerous situation for you as a driver as your vision is significantly impaired now. And, as you said, deer are a very real threat.

If you had oncoming traffic coming at you, you shouldn't have had your high beams on. Sorry.
I have to agree here. With oncoming traffic, you should be using low beams only.
 

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This has been a hot topic in PA. Residents (myself included) are making a stink with our local politicians because out-of-state tourists absolutely delight in driving around with their high beams on, blinding everybody.

Once you get dazzled by somebody's high beams, and then you go back to standard rural darkness, it's a very dangerous situation for you as a driver as your vision is significantly impaired now. And, as you said, deer are a very real threat.

If you had oncoming traffic coming at you, you shouldn't have had your high beams on. Sorry.
I fully agree with you. My high beams are always off unless its clear. My car also has high beam assistant, when driving in PA, i usually leave it on and it does a great job. Even though i am from nyc, 25% of my driving is done out of state—i observe local traffic laws, this was done out of necessity, as stated above.
 

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I wasn't there, so I'm not going to declare you guilty. But my advice, if you choose to fight it, is get a local attorney.

Realize the District Judge gets his or her job from getting elected by the locals in the that district, and if the local residents are complaining to him/her about it, he/she is going to be biased against you from the start.

What I'm saying is that it's going to be a uphill battle which you're probably going to want professional help with.
 

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This has been a hot topic in PA. Residents (myself included) are making a stink with our local politicians because out-of-state tourists absolutely delight in driving around with their high beams on, blinding everybody.

Once you get dazzled by somebody's high beams, and then you go back to standard rural darkness, it's a very dangerous situation for you as a driver as your vision is significantly impaired now. And, as you said, deer are a very real threat.

If you had oncoming traffic coming at you, you shouldn't have had your high beams on. Sorry.
The Judge will ask 2 questions, to the trooper "were your High beams on?"
to you "were your high beams on?"
You know the rest...
 

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In my opinion, if it isn't any points and will not effect you insurance rates, pay the extortion and more on. Better than scheduling your life to go back over there just to fight a ticket that will most likely not effect your insurance.
 

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Info found online says its 3 points. Not definitive however. Are three points worth fighting the ticket over?
 

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