Max 360c "sleeping/silent lock up" video

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@FASTHAPPY, If everything appears good on your Max360c, I would not be too concerned just because there are a few people (including me) that have experienced the sleeping/silent lock up issue, but many others have not.

If you are happy with firmware 1.9, then you may want to wait and see how people like firmware 1.10 since with Escort, once you update to the latest firmware, you cannot go back like you can with a Uniden.

I personally wasn’t a big fan of firmware 1.9, and I experienced several silent lock ups and increased laser false alarms with 1.9 on my particular Max 360c, so I updated my Max 360c to firmware to 1.10 on Friday, September 13th. So far I am cautiously optimistic about this new firmware for my detector.

I have no idea how prevalent the sleeping/silent lock up issue is. It may be rare to very rare and not frequent or non existent among most users, but there have been some people on the RDF that have experienced this issue. It is something to be aware of.

As the old saying goes, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. If you are happy with firmware 1.9, you may want to hold off updating to 1.10.

@poolmon, makes some great points above. He is still on 1.8, and he is getting good results with it. I was too quick to update to 1.9 before seeing what others were experiencing with it.
If you are getting good results with 1.9 on your Max 360c, you may want to hold off updating to 1.10.













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@poolmon @RoadDogg Thank you. Other RDF'rs please feel free to add your 2cents.

So, running 1.9, I definitely get laser falses but since I have the luxury or running a TMG, rightly or wrong, I just ignore the MAX laser alerts. I do test TMG with LI laser tester and its working.

Hey any thoughts on question of - if my MAX reacts to laser tester, does that mean it is NOT asleep? If that is true, FWIW- I see TMG / Jarred is going to have laser tester units for sale soon. Sounds WAY more affordable then the Pocket Radar thingy.

Again, my appreciation for your thought and replies and for the RDF community. I see my create date says 2012. At first I thought, wow the calendar on RDF is whacked. Then saw my old yahoo email. Probably set up an account when I got Escort x 50? and zr3 jammer.. F**k Im old.
 

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@poolmon @RoadDogg Thank you. Other RDF'rs please feel free to add your 2cents.

So, running 1.9, I definitely get laser falses but since I have the luxury or running a TMG, rightly or wrong, I just ignore the MAX laser alerts. I do test TMG with LI laser tester and its working.

Hey any thoughts on question of - if my MAX reacts to laser tester, does that mean it is NOT asleep? If that is true, FWIW- I see TMG / Jarred is going to have laser tester units for sale soon. Sounds WAY more affordable then the Pocket Radar thingy.

Again, my appreciation for your thought and replies and for the RDF community. I see my create date says 2012. At first I thought, wow the calendar on RDF is whacked. Then saw my old yahoo email. Probably set up an account when I got Escort x 50? and zr3 jammer.. F**k Im old.
Was going to recommend disabling laser notifications on the RD since you're running TMG. That way, no false alarms. But then thought that a falst alarm is still an alarm, and it tells you the RD isn't sleeping ; )
 

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@FunkyDoc LOL! I like your thinking tho! I was with ya, and then... dammit! thats a good point too.

Yah, I need to know its awake. Cuz I sure know the LEO waiting round the corner is!
 

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Was going to recommend disabling laser notifications on the RD since you're running TMG. That way, no false alarms. But then thought that a falst alarm is still an alarm, and it tells you the RD isn't sleeping ; )
@FunkyDoc LOL! I like your thinking tho! I was with ya, and then... dammit! thats a good point too.

Yah, I need to know its awake. Cuz I sure know the LEO waiting round the corner is!
I will say that when I was on firmware 1.9, dating back to late May 2019, in the five silent lockups/sleeping incidents I experienced(3 before I sent my 360c in to Escort for service / 2 after I received it back from Escort), I never had any laser false alarms during a silent lock up/sleeping incident. As @westwind77 did on his Max360, I also turned X-band back on even though I haven’t encountered real police X-band in probably 20-30 years or so. Any alarm that I get including X-band or a laser false alarm lets me know that my Max360c is alerting which is a good thing.

I have been on firmware 1.10 now for two weeks. I have been using my Max360 daily and not using my other two detectors very much at all.

My Max360c seems to be working well under firmware 1.10 to date (I hope I didn’t just jinx myself posting this). I have had a total of 3 laser false alarms in the past two weeks, but the laser false alarms are less frequent than on firmware 1.9. I have an older I-phone 7 plus, and I try to keep it away from Max360c as to not cause any laser false alarms as many people have commented on the RDF that the placement of some phones may contribute to laser false alarms.


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Yeah this behavior now happens with many of Escort's newer detectors. It's not just the 360c. In Auto or AutoLoK mode, it will filter out many auto door openers in parking lots, independent of lockouts and low speed muting. If you switch to Highway mode, it will begin alerting instantly.

Given that this is happening in Highway mode, the auto door opener filtering setting isn't the issue.

Thanks for documenting and reporting the issue everyone. I know Escort has been working on this and released several firmware updates to address it. They've said it's been hard to pinpoint the source of the issue and fully resolve it. It's disappointing to hear that it's still an issue with 1.9. So it's been improved, but clearly not yet fully resolved.

Good timing too. I was planning on shooting an updated "Best Radar Detectors" video later today and so I'm sitting here thinking about this more now. The Max360c and R7 are both good detectors, but the 360c still has some of the silent sleeping / lockup type issues. The Unidens (R series, DFR series, and LRD series) have also had failures with the displays and speakers that can also prevent the user from being properly alerted to a signal. So right now I'm sitting here thinking how to best present the information. I think it ultimately comes down to giving people a full explanation of the big picture and letting them decide accordingly.

Hey Vortex. Thanks for all your help.

Hope your baby Girl is doing well.


Any advice on getting Escort service in New Zealand.. my Redline Ex Int keeps sleeping. Factory rest. Uninstall EL app. Software updated.... rather annoyed. Should have gone UNIDEN for the win.


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I will say that when I was on firmware 1.9, dating back to late May 2019, in the five silent lockups/sleeping incidents I experienced(3 before I sent my 360c in to Escort for service / 2 after I received it back from Escort), I never had any laser false alarms during a silent lock up/sleeping incident. As @westwind77 did on his Max360, I also turned X-band back on even though I haven’t encountered real police X-band in probably 20-30 years or so. Any alarm that I get including X-band or a laser false alarm lets me know that my Max360c is alerting which is a good thing.

I have been on firmware 1.10 now for two weeks. I have been using my Max360 daily and not using my other two detectors very much at all.

My Max360c seems to be working well under firmware 1.10 to date (I hope I didn’t just jinx myself posting this). I have had a total of 3 laser false alarms in the past two weeks, but the laser false alarms are less frequent than on firmware 1.9. I have an older I-phone 7 plus, and I try to keep it away from Max360c as to not cause any laser false alarms as many people have commented on the RDF that the placement of some phones may contribute to laser false alarms.


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Sorry for delay in reply and thanks for the info. Ive been driving a lot past few weeks with 360c. No doubt, works wonderfully. Now, if I could just not worry about it taking a nap on me! Not 100% sure but I feel 85% sure, Im going to sell mine( as I know it works) and go with Uniden too @Majorleeobvious says - "for the win".
As, in the end, no matter how great its running now, that little nagging thought " I wonder if its taking a nigh nigh" just wont go away. Not good.
 

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I will likely retract my change of opinion stating the new FW now does cause my 360c to sleep. There appears to be valid points mentioned by others (thank you) the Bushnell is not the best Radar to pull out and test for sleep. I do agree that the latest FW seems to filter it out. Must be a bit erratic or something. The Falcon HR (K band), and Stalker Ka alert 100% so far. But the Bush at same given time will not always alert. I am Testing while on the move. Making sure Radar is pointed as not to over drive the 360c. test to continue next week. The Bushnell reaction did not happen on older firmware.

Also, since the BSM filtering is so good, can’t use these false alerts to test sleep or not. Same for many of the new “speed signs”. They seem to run FM and are filtered out by the 360c. Older construction warning signs with old actual radar units Transmitting but not reading always has kicked it off.

oh, been seeing more and more Ka speed signs of late.
 

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Also, since the BSM filtering is so good, can’t use these false alerts to test sleep or not. Same for many of the new “speed signs”. They seem to run FM and are filtered out by the 360c. Older construction warning signs with old actual radar units Transmitting but not reading always has kicked it off.

oh, been seeing more and more Ka speed signs of late.
I just ran into this construction speed sign anomaly on a round trip from DC to NY this weekend.

The 360c (Auto, TSR On, No EL nor WiFi) was so quiet I kept looking to see if it might have a silent lock up. I passed one of those large construction speed signs on I-95 and the 360c was absolutely silent. Down the road 'fortunately'was a trooper running Ka to which the 360c did immediately respond. Also after being super quiet for long stretches, a few Honda CRVs did trigger immediate full bar K alerts at the last minute as I pulled right beside them, but stopped immediately as I began to pull past. Had I been in another lane the CRVs would have not registered at all as evidenced by a few more CRV encounters several lanes over with their BSM mirror lights on and no signal on the RD, it was completely rejecting them.

It used to be those large highway speed trailers would always trigger K and would be good for a test, but not anymore. I'm constantly monitoring for any silent lockups, but so far have not seen any on either of two 360c units in 2 different cars (neither has any onboard BSM or any other IVT Technology and both RDs are running 1.8). Hope we can get to the bottom of your issue.

Also, wish we could manually lock out those proliferating Ka speed signs.
 

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Also, since the BSM filtering is so good, can’t use these false alerts to test sleep or not. Same for many of the new “speed signs”. They seem to run FM and are filtered out by the 360c. Older construction warning signs with old actual radar units Transmitting but not reading always has kicked it off.

oh, been seeing more and more Ka speed signs of late.
I just received my Pocket Radar that I purchased off of EBay on Friday. My pocket radar transmits At 24.122 to 24.124 based on my R3 and Max360c display. I also plan on picking up a Stalker ATR soon. I don’t fully trust all of the speed signs either, but when I suspect a “sleeping” incident, I drive by at least three (sometimes five) K-band door openers that normally set my Max360c off (while the businesses are open), and my Max360c is silent.

These are K-band door openers that the Auto Learn GPS auto lockouts are designed to “silence” with only a grayed out display. I don’t think any amount of BSM filtering from any manufacturer has been designed to filter out a K-band door opener; otherwise, no detector manufacturer would market a detector with any type of GPS lockout. Normally, my Max360c responds to these K-band door openers from a significant distance away as I run my Max360c in Highway mode and no lockouts and no Auto Learn.

Could these sleeping incidents just be excessive filtering? I don’t know, but I believe the sleeping is also “filtering” out real police radar.

I do agree that testing a “suspected sleeping” occurrence against a police radar gun is preferred over a Bushnell.

I used my Max360c last night, and I had two very good C/O K-band encounters in rolling/hilly terrain. I have some traveling (long interstate/highway trips) to do this week, and I plan on using my Max360c. I will have take my pocket radar with me and my R3 with me too as a back up if needed.






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I just received my Pocket Radar that I purchased off of EBay on Friday. My pocket radar transmits At 24.122 to 24.124 based on my R3 and Max360c display. I also plan on picking up a Stalker ATR soon. I don’t fully trust all of the speed signs either, but when I suspect a “sleeping” incident, I drive by at least three (sometimes five) K-band door openers that normally set my Max360c off (while the businesses are open), and my Max360c is silent.

These are K-band door openers that the Auto Learn GPS auto lockouts are designed to “silence” with only a grayed out display. I don’t think any amount of BSM filtering from any manufacturer has been designed to filter out a K-band door opener; otherwise, no detector manufacturer would market a detector with any type of GPS lockout. Normally, my Max360c responds to these K-band door openers from a significant distance away as I run my Max360c in Highway mode and no lockouts and no Auto Learn.

Could these sleeping incidents just be excessive filtering? I don’t know, but I believe the sleeping is also “filtering” out real police radar.

I do agree that testing a “suspected sleeping” occurrence against a police radar gun is preferred over a Bushnell.

I used my Max360c last night, and I had two very good C/O K-band encounters in rolling/hilly terrain. I have some traveling (long interstate/highway trips) to do this week, and I plan on using my Max360c. I will have take my pocket radar with me and my R3 with me too as a back up if needed.






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You bring up interesting point on something..... I pass three hotels in a row on way to office all the time. And a doggie hotel. Oh, and Home Depot. all within <1 mile of each other. The hotels and right next to each other. For longest time after I updated to one of the firmware in the past year or so, the “grayed out” lockout visible alert is not there. For any of them. I have noticed this at other well traveled places. Does not matter if I have quiet ride on, or whatever as long as it is Auto. How does this happen? Maybe now those locations are in some kind of permanent filtered state because of their signal? Or GPS location? Have no idea. this happens on all the 360 platforms Except for the 1.0 GT360 which still shows the lockout visual. All I know, the devices still work. There is Ka around there, and it has warned of that. Plus by the hotels, it is a slow PSL, but people drive very fast up this short shoot. So, Fishers will also use K band to catch them. all the 360s work great and pick that up right in the middle of the K door openers.

EX and Max(2) will show grayed out. If lockout was not working they would blare out. The R series show them too as mute. Same for Pro M.

when I turn back up speed based alerting back on/up, no different reaction on 360 platform. I assume you have speed based alerting off during your examples you mention.

Either they have some secret sauce for the casual user who does not care to male things more quiet of any alerts (muted/gray or not) that are known falses, or something is weird. All I know, it works, and still picks up real radar very well.
 
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I normally do not run Auto mode with my Max360c. I normally run Highway mode which maintains the highest level of sensitivity at all times. I turned on X-band back on for a while, but I turned it off again. I have all segments of K on, laser on, and I recently segmented my Max360c to 2,5,and 8 on Ka because I was getting quite a few Ka falses outside of the “norms” in addition to still getting the occasional laser false under firmware 1.10. I normally also run 4 and 6 on too in my R3, but some a lot of my Ka false alarms on my Max360c fall into segment 4.

Whenever I experienced an episode where I think my Max360c is sleeping, I drive by these K-band band door openers that I drive by all the time that normally trigger an alarm on my Max360c, and my Max360c failed to alert driving right up to several door openers in Highway mode. Then it would again fail to alert to my Bushnell K-band gun until it was power cycled, and after power cycled,my Max360c alerts to the Bushnell as my R3 and CR97 always do.

I haven’t had a change in my Max 360c (on different firmware versions) in how it responds to the K-band door openers that I am very familiar with in my city and other areas I travel to frequently in Highway mode. When it is working fine, it alerts, when I suspect it is sleeping (which is rare), it doesn’t. That is my experience. I have been running Spec FR1 on my Max360c. I used to run Spec FR2.






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I will likely retract my change of opinion stating the new FW now does cause my 360c to sleep. There appears to be valid points mentioned by others (thank you) the Bushnell is not the best Radar to pull out and test for sleep. I do agree that the latest FW seems to filter it out. Must be a bit erratic or something.
I agree, but it is not consistent which is very odd. It will alert to it many times over, then suddenly it gets in a 'bad mood' and ignores it, why? These things do not have personalities, they are machines, they follow the code/rules they are given. Either it should alert to the Bushnell or not. It is not a case of it being strong and punching through like a BSM as we can test with it and pick it up from a good distance, when it decides to alert to it.

Given what we all have found I do agree the Busnhell is no longer a reliable device to use to test if the 360 is sleeping. Then again, the video I posted in the other thread of the 360 basically ignoring a c/o K-band LEO makes me wonder if they have gone too far with their filtering to the point where it is now filtering out actual LEO K band radar!
 

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